QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
I don't know if Cousins will be a skin or not next season. What I do know is he will not sign a long term deal this season. No way he does that with the kind of leverage he controls right now. If they have to tag him next year, depending on the tag they use, he gets a guaranteed amount of money of 28 or 32 mil. If they let him walk he gets his choice of a team on the open market. In the end, I don't think Cousins is looking to be the highest paid QB in the league, which is around 25 mil currently. He has a good preexisting relationship with Shanahan, which is always the first good check mark for a team in negotiations. Also for Cousins, I think it comes down to guarantees over annual money anyhow, which reportedly the skins have continued to low-ball him on pretty badly.

I wouldn't worry too much about our cap. The one thing we can say definitively about Marathe since he got here is he's very good at managing the cap and designing smart contracts that work for both sides.

All of this is idle chatter at the moment imo. Whether Cousins is a 49er next year or not is irrelevant. The point is Shanahan and Lynch know they have time to find their QB and this year there was no rush. CJ is not that guy. Could he become that guy? Possibly. There's that possibility with any draft pick. But they took CJ to have as a developmental​ project, not to be the face of the 49ers. I trust this regime will get their guy and with how smart they've been managing their cap for some time now, I'm not worried in the least how much that guy will cost or where he'll come from.

I know we don't have a cap problem now, and that's because the 49ers hardly won any games the previous two years. The minute we go above 8-8, that cap has a way of shrinking very very fast.

Short term, you are right, the Cousins issue is irrelevant. Long term, it becomes more important, specially if the 49ers perform below expectations. Right now I think folks expect between 4-6 wins. Fall below those expectations - Cousins become a big issue next offseason. Go above those expectations - ShanaLynch would have bought them more time from the Fan's perspective to get that Franchise QB, and would lessen the need to trade for Cousins.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Hence why I was so excited when our 7th rd pick in 2015 started showing signs of potential greatness at RT in 2016, esp towards end of yr...the fact that Trent Brown has continued to excel, while the likes of Martin, Pears, and Devey made me cringe...and are thankfully now gone adios...is what makes me so hopeful for this yr. Kyle specifically wasn't looking for the guy who could throw the 75 yd rope...he was looking for the accurate guy who could throw before the break for a modest 5-7 yards, and do it repeatedly. I have no favorite in the QB competition, just want the best guy. But an OL that was "horrocious" the last 2-3 yrs, started to look much improved once we sat down Martin, pears, and Devey. Having added not only Garnett and now the Zut, along with much better backups, plus 2 good choices at Center, plus a decent potential 3rd choice as backup C, the quality of the OL will be much, much better this yr. So right off the bat Kyle has succeeded in protecting our QBs way better than last three yrs.

The added benefit of Hoyer knowing Kyle's WCO, is better yet. Cousins is next yrs issue...not this yrs. And that depends on need ,his performance, and his contract status. Everything else Cousins has no bearing on us this yr. We got our guys at QB for this yr, so now it is just a matter of how each does. But Hoyer knowing the O is huge, in that now the OL, WRs, TEs, RBs...all get a full yr of learning the O...Kyle's WCO. Can't say enough about how big a deal that is for us this yr. If we can just keep injuries down, this yr will be a good one for us.

One of the more amazing things about our OC/HC is that he never once mentioned the name Beathard during the entire draft time. That in itself is amazing. Not your standard Jim Harbaw, mike noln, singletary, tomsul, nor the Chipster, HC. This cat is a very different breed. Very different. Also if you ask him about X's and O's....he actually knows about them.

Regarding good O Lines. I think a great RB can make a good O Line look great. When the rams drafted Eric Dickerson, man that Ram O-line looked so much better than the year before. When we got Wendell Tyler, our O LIne that could not block the year before - all of a sudden were pancaking a lot of opposing players. The key to our O Line being good is if Hyde and Williams can stay healthy and be productive. I think, on paper, Williams can create holes with just his speed alone. Carlos has had good success last year and he can build on that, with a line blocking scheme that fits him better. Both backs, if they are good, can make our O line look all pro. That will go a long way to keeping our QB's healthy. If the pass rusher is worried about a draw or a quick hitter, he's not going to go full blast in a pass rush at our QB's. He'll hold something back "Just in case" it's a run and that will help our QB's to not get hit so hard.

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by tohara3:
Can't wait to see him in the pre-season

That's what we need to wait for. If he starts making plays and executing with Taylor,Robinson,Kittle etc.. who knows, maybe they start sneaking some reps with the first team when Brian needs a breather.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by tohara3:
Can't wait to see him in the pre-season

That's what we need to wait for. If he starts making plays and executing with Taylor,Robinson,Kittle etc.. who knows, maybe they start sneaking some reps with the first team when Brian needs a breather.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

I don't know if Cousins will be a skin or not next season. What I do know is he will not sign a long term deal this season. No way he does that with the kind of leverage he controls right now. If they have to tag him next year, depending on the tag they use, he gets a guaranteed amount of money of 28 or 32 mil. If they let him walk he gets his choice of a team on the open market. In the end, I don't think Cousins is looking to be the highest paid QB in the league, which is around 25 mil currently. He has a good preexisting relationship with Shanahan, which is always the first good check mark for a team in negotiations. Also for Cousins, I think it comes down to guarantees over annual money anyhow, which reportedly the skins have continued to low-ball him on pretty badly.

I wouldn't worry too much about our cap. The one thing we can say definitively about Marathe since he got here is he's very good at managing the cap and designing smart contracts that work for both sides.

All of this is idle chatter at the moment imo. Whether Cousins is a 49er next year or not is irrelevant. The point is Shanahan and Lynch know they have time to find their QB and this year there was no rush. CJ is not that guy. Could he become that guy? Possibly. There's that possibility with any draft pick. But they took CJ to have as a developmental​ project, not to be the face of the 49ers. I trust this regime will get their guy and with how smart they've been managing their cap for some time now, I'm not worried in the least how much that guy will cost or where he'll come from.

I know we don't have a cap problem now, and that's because the 49ers hardly won any games the previous two years. The minute we go above 8-8, that cap has a way of shrinking very very fast.

Short term, you are right, the Cousins issue is irrelevant. Long term, it becomes more important, specially if the 49ers perform below expectations. Right now I think folks expect between 4-6 wins. Fall below those expectations - Cousins become a big issue next offseason. Go above those expectations - ShanaLynch would have bought them more time from the Fan's perspective to get that Franchise QB, and would lessen the need to trade for Cousins.

Your right the better your team is, the more players you have to pay. That comes with the territory. Again though, this is where I appreciate the expertise of Marathe. The guy does great work managing the cap and designs smart contracts. It's inevitable that the more success we have, the smaller that cap room will get. However, I have plenty of confidence in those people within the organization right now who are managing that process.

Like I said from the start on the Cousins issue. In the end, he has a great relationship with Kyle. That's a great plus in contract negotiations. I don't think he'll expect to be the highest paid QB in the NFL. I do however expect that if he's available, the niners will make a hard run at him. He's well developed at this point and can operate Kyle's offense at full capacity. This just takes me back full circle though. Even if the 49ers have to pick that salary up on the books, I still have confidence in Marathe's numbers and the front offices​ ability to formulate a plan and make it work, while building the rest of the team.

Originally posted by Heroism:

I explicitly said, "under center in a pro-style offense"

What Sam Darnold does at USC is nothing like what Kirk Cousins did at MSU or CJ Beathard did at Iowa.
We can see the overlapping in the qbs Kyle has drafted. He has a very particular type he's looking for.

This kinda scares me with Kyle. He seems to be way too caught up on things that will cause us to pass on a (so far) obvious talent like Darnold. He's always looking for the guy that can run his offense, and he's pretty good at finding him, but I think we'd have a better opportunity to find great and more talented QBs if he would get over his system just a little.

It was awesome last year, but he was also stacked at the skill positions and had a really great fit at QB for his system.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

He's always looking for the guy that can run his offense,

That evil b*****d!

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

This kinda scares me with Kyle. He seems to be way too caught up on things that will cause us to pass on a (so far) obvious talent like Darnold. He's always looking for the guy that can run his offense, and he's pretty good at finding him, but I think we'd have a better opportunity to find great and more talented QBs if he would get over his system just a little.

It was awesome last year, but he was also stacked at the skill positions and had a really great fit at QB for his system.

Isn't that what you want? A QB that can run your offense? If Kyle finds a QB that can do this at a high level then that means we'll be scoring a ton of pts , I could careless if it's a 1st rd pick or a 3rd rd pick end of the day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Isn't that what you want? A QB that can run your offense? If Kyle finds a QB that can do this at a high level then that means we'll be scoring a ton of pts , I could careless if it's a 1st rd pick or a 3rd rd pick end of the day.

Think, if every coach operated the way Shanahan does you'd see a lot fewer gimmick quarterbacks coming out of college. The top recruits would flock to the programs with schemes that most closely resembled the NFL.


Raw talent does you no good if you have to completely rework a guy's mechanics and teach him, for the first time in his life, how to play quarterback.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Isn't that what you want? A QB that can run your offense? If Kyle finds a QB that can do this at a high level then that means we'll be scoring a ton of pts , I could careless if it's a 1st rd pick or a 3rd rd pick end of the day.

Think, if every coach operated the way Shanahan does you'd see a lot fewer gimmick quarterbacks coming out of college. The top recruits would flock to the programs with schemes that most closely resembled the NFL.


Raw talent does you no good if you have to completely rework a guy's mechanics and teach him, for the first time in his life, how to play quarterback.

Yup that's the issue with a ton of these qbs coming out of college now.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I explicitly said, "under center in a pro-style offense"

What Sam Darnold does at USC is nothing like what Kirk Cousins did at MSU or CJ Beathard did at Iowa.
We can see the overlapping in the qbs Kyle has drafted. He has a very particular type he's looking for.

This kinda scares me with Kyle. He seems to be way too caught up on things that will cause us to pass on a (so far) obvious talent like Darnold. He's always looking for the guy that can run his offense, and he's pretty good at finding him, but I think we'd have a better opportunity to find great and more talented QBs if he would get over his system just a little.

It was awesome last year, but he was also stacked at the skill positions and had a really great fit at QB for his system.

I get your point about talented players that can fit multiple systems. Players that can play multiple systems for example a guy like Randy White or a player like John Elway can play in any defensive system or offensive system and do well. Randy would have been a dominant DE like a Justin Smith and he was a hall of famer in the 4-3. Same with Elway, he played very well under Reeves - who's offense was an offshoot of Tom Landry's Formation shift/Shotgun offense, and he played even better under the Shanahan version of the WCO.

The problem is that a player that can play in multiple schemes will be in demand by multiple teams. A player that would be good in one system, but not good in another, will only be valued by the offense he fits in. Simple economics of demand and supply affects the draft position of that player as well as how much cap space he will take up.

As the other posters have said, Kyle's system doesn't need a rocket armed QB that can run faster than a gazelle, and if all you need to do to win games is to score more points than the other team. A guy that can operate Kyle's system and score points is all you need, and if he doesn't cost a lot of draft capital or cap space, those resources can be used for other positions like defense. I'm a big believer in the "Defense wins super bowls" cliché.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
He's always looking for the guy that can run his offense,

That evil b*****d!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
That evil b*****d!

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
Your right the better your team is, the more players you have to pay. That comes with the territory. Again though, this is where I appreciate the expertise of Marathe. The guy does great work managing the cap and designs smart contracts. It's inevitable that the more success we have, the smaller that cap room will get. However, I have plenty of confidence in those people within the organization right now who are managing that process.

Like I said from the start on the Cousins issue. In the end, he has a great relationship with Kyle. That's a great plus in contract negotiations. I don't think he'll expect to be the highest paid QB in the NFL. I do however expect that if he's available, the niners will make a hard run at him. He's well developed at this point and can operate Kyle's offense at full capacity. This just takes me back full circle though. Even if the 49ers have to pick that salary up on the books, I still have confidence in Marathe's numbers and the front offices​ ability to formulate a plan and make it work, while building the rest of the team.

Heh, the minute you have a franchise QB, is the minute you pay him a franchise QB money. Whether you get him by trade or develop him in-house -- his cap numbers will be astronomical. Its a good problem to have. I'd rather have that problem, than not have that problem. Just like paying taxes, you would rather pay more this year than last year. Why? Because if you are required to pay more, it means you made a lot more money this year than last year. As we get up there into the elite franchise level of wins, Praage will be as valuable as a Franchise QB in my opinion.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

He's always looking for the guy that can run his offense,

That evil b*****d!

lol Kyle asking too much out of the qb position, like playing pro style under center