QB CJ Beathard - signs with Jacksonville

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

He's always looking for the guy that can run his offense,

That evil b*****d!

lol Kyle asking too much out of the qb position, like playing pro style under center

I mean like walk in and run it without coaching. That's hard to find these days, you're picking from a limited pool.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Isn't that what you want? A QB that can run your offense? If Kyle finds a QB that can do this at a high level then that means we'll be scoring a ton of pts , I could careless if it's a 1st rd pick or a 3rd rd pick end of the day.

Think, if every coach operated the way Shanahan does you'd see a lot fewer gimmick quarterbacks coming out of college. The top recruits would flock to the programs with schemes that most closely resembled the NFL.


Raw talent does you no good if you have to completely rework a guy's mechanics and teach him, for the first time in his life, how to play quarterback.

It's just not how it works. College coaches are working for their jobs too, and they can dominate with simple offenses that beat inferior talent, so why change? If Kyle were a little more willing to develop QBs, I think we could have a better prospect than Beathard.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It's just not how it works. College coaches are working for their jobs too, and they can dominate with simple offenses that beat inferior talent, so why change? If Kyle were a little more willing to develop QBs, I think we could have a better prospect than Beathard.

It is how it works now because teams keep drafting projects and gimmick QBs regardless of how many flop. If NFL teams collectively put their foots down, top QB recruits would flock to places that run pro style offenses and as a result you would see more college programs running those offenses in order to compete for the best QBs.


I see nothing wrong with Shanahan's approach. Acquire the guys you feel best about running your offense instead of hoping to pound a square peg into a round hole.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It's just not how it works. College coaches are working for their jobs too, and they can dominate with simple offenses that beat inferior talent, so why change? If Kyle were a little more willing to develop QBs, I think we could have a better prospect than Beathard.

It is how it works now because teams keep drafting projects and gimmick QBs regardless of how many flop. If NFL teams collectively put their foots down, top QB recruits would flock to places that run pro style offenses and as a result you would see more college programs running those offenses in order to compete for the best QBs.


I see nothing wrong with Shanahan's approach. Acquire the guys you feel best about running your offense instead of hoping to pound a square peg into a round hole.

There's too much upside in developing better talent, and that's why the NFL won't and never will put their foot down and only draft a bunch of Beathards. He's a limited talent, and that will hinder you at the next level too.

The better QBs go to colleges that run high flying offenses, so we can try to be great and develop one of those guys, or pray that we run into the next Brady. I think our odds are higher with the latter.

Go, Beathy, go!

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

It's just not how it works. College coaches are working for their jobs too, and they can dominate with simple offenses that beat inferior talent, so why change? If Kyle were a little more willing to develop QBs, I think we could have a better prospect than Beathard.

It is how it works now because teams keep drafting projects and gimmick QBs regardless of how many flop. If NFL teams collectively put their foots down, top QB recruits would flock to places that run pro style offenses and as a result you would see more college programs running those offenses in order to compete for the best QBs.


I see nothing wrong with Shanahan's approach. Acquire the guys you feel best about running your offense instead of hoping to pound a square peg into a round hole.

There's too much upside in developing better talent, and that's why the NFL won't and never will put their foot down and only draft a bunch of Beathards. He's a limited talent, and that will hinder you at the next level too.

The better QBs go to colleges that run high flying offenses, so we can try to be great and develop one of those guys, or pray that we run into the next Brady. I think our odds are higher with the latter.

RGIII...Kaepernick...no thanks. Give me players that fit the systems. This is the time to get system fits because the league is obsessed with these spread projects so we can get our guys in the later rounds. Like Lynch noted, they are getting players that fit and may not be aligned with what other teams covet or where.

Kyle has proven he can find QR's, WR's, RB's, and OL from the 3rd round on. That's a great thing. That's a Walsh trait.

Originally posted by NCommand:

RGIII...Kaepernick...no thanks. Give me players that fit the systems. This is the time to get system fits because the league is obsessed with these spread projects so we can get our guys in the later rounds. Like Lynch noted, they are getting players that fit and may not be aligned with what other teams covet or where.

Kyle has proven he can find QR's, WR's, RB's, and OL from the 3rd round on. That's a great thing. That's a Walsh trait.

He seems to be asking for too much coming in is my problem. Yea if we find a talented QB that fits the system then go after him, but don't draft a likely career backup just because he took snaps from under center.

There are more examples than RG3 and Kap, and both careers were derailed by injury or stupid org. Kap is still to this day putting up a 90 rating on the worst team and has the 2nd best ratio in NFL history. I doubt beathard will ever be that good.

The only QB i can think of drafted since 2010 that is starting, and regularly took snaps from under center is Winston.

Edit: Cousins also, so that makes 2 this decade.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

The only QB i can think of drafted since 2010 that is starting, and regularly took snaps from under center is Winston.

Kirk Cousins? Andrew Luck? Russell Wilson? Derek Carr? Carson Wentz?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

The only QB i can think of drafted since 2010 that is starting, and regularly took snaps from under center is Winston.

Kirk Cousins? Andrew Luck? Russell Wilson? Derek Carr? Carson Wentz?

Yea i added cousins, Luck too. Im not sure about Wilson, but i don't think under center was a regualr thing for Carr. And Wentz didn't do too good after the first few weeks. Under center snaps arent the be all end all, and it's like Kyle will only pick from that limited pool. Just not a good strategy imo.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Yea i added cousins, Luck too. Im not sure about Wilson, but i don't think under center was a regualr thing for Carr

Derek Carr played from under center in a pro-style offense before his final season at Fresno St.



As did Wilson. They ran a WCO at Wisconsin.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
There's too much upside in developing better talent, and that's why the NFL won't and never will put their foot down and only draft a bunch of Beathards. He's a limited talent, and that will hinder you at the next level too.

Talent isn't the only part of the equation. RG3 is a far more talented player than Kirk Cousins. Which guy would you want starting for the 49ers this season? You can have all the talent in the world but if you can't utilize properly, it isn't any good. You draft a guy that hasn't played in your style of offense and you are largely taking an educated guess on whether or not they will be able to adapt or simply flop.

Beathard might turn out to be nothing more than a backup, or he could become a pretty good starter, neither I nor you know that right now, what we do know is that at Iowa he showed the ability to play from under center, make adjustments at the line of scrimmage, consistently go through his progressions, read defense and show a whole ton of toughness behind a shoddy OL. Beyond that I have no idea what his career will look like but its inaccurate to say he is a limited talent when we haven't seen him take a single snap in the NFL yet.

The better QBs go to colleges that run high flying offenses, so we can try to be great and develop one of those guys, or pray that we run into the next Brady. I think our odds are higher with the latter.

I'm a big believer in that there is only so much you can develop when it comes to a quarterback. If a QB lacks the processing ability, the performance under pressure, lack of natural accuracy, there isn't much you can do to improve upon those traits in the NFL. They will never be great at those things. I think Shanahan is content to be patient and not draft a QB early just because he needs one. I think Cousins is still very much in the 49ers plans and they probably have a good idea of what his plans are.

Whether it is Cousins or someone else, I have faith that Shanahan will identify a QB who is capable of running his offense at a high level, even if that QB isn't the "most talented" guy out there according to the draftniks.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NCommand:

RGIII...Kaepernick...no thanks. Give me players that fit the systems. This is the time to get system fits because the league is obsessed with these spread projects so we can get our guys in the later rounds. Like Lynch noted, they are getting players that fit and may not be aligned with what other teams covet or where.

Kyle has proven he can find QR's, WR's, RB's, and OL from the 3rd round on. That's a great thing. That's a Walsh trait.

He seems to be asking for too much coming in is my problem. Yea if we find a talented QB that fits the system then go after him, but don't draft a likely career backup just because he took snaps from under center.

There are more examples than RG3 and Kap, and both careers were derailed by injury or stupid org. Kap is still to this day putting up a 90 rating on the worst team and has the 2nd best ratio in NFL history. I doubt beathard will ever be that good.

The only QB i can think of drafted since 2010 that is starting, and regularly took snaps from under center is Winston.

Edit: Cousins also, so that makes 2 this decade.

Yeah, there was a time when every QB that came out was from a pro style (mostly) and very few gave a rip about their 40's and fastballs or physique.

Polar opposite now...trends of the NFL.

TBF, Kyle has a long list of things he looks for in a QB. I posted those several times. If that guy happens to be in the first or third, I trust he'll go get him. And he did like Trubisky too so he does look at spread QB's. He's looking for traits to mold over 2 years.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Yea i added cousins, Luck too. Im not sure about Wilson, but i don't think under center was a regualr thing for Carr

Derek Carr played from under center in a pro-style offense before his final season at Fresno St.



As did Wilson.

Ok and there's also guys that have had success without taking snaps under center. RG3 until he blew his knee. Kap and Cam have won conference championships, Cam has been an MVP. Dalton is a middle tier starter. Mariota. There are just many under center busts as there are spread busts.

I like Kyle's approach. He wants guys that at minimum can function within the framework of his offense. That's the baseline.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Ok and there's also guys that have had success without taking snaps under center. RG3 until he blew his knee. Kap and Cam have won conference championships, Cam has been an MVP. Dalton is a middle tier starter. Mariota. There are just many under center busts as there are spread busts.

It's never been an undercenter vs shotgun thing. The gun is nothing more than a formation(FWIW, the shotgun was in Walsh's offense and was ran early on in SF even in 1981). It's more about how much is placed on the QB in college. Reading defense's and checking in and out of plays is huge.

Now when they get to the pros it become more on how the QB adjusts to the pro game. Good coaching can insulate a QB for a while with schemes, but in the end the NFL is gonna make you beat them from the pocket to win consistently.