49ers release S Adrian Colbert-Round 7, Pick 229

all good, at least it's just the 1st pre season.. he's probably just hungry of not able to hit his own teammates during training camp.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

Very solid post, honestly never looked at it from that point of view.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Agree having an enforcer changes things. I get what you're saying but this is what it is now. We can keep being unhappy about it, or adjust and recognize that these are the hits the league no longer wants to see. It's too dangerous now that we know how these hits affect the players in the long term. You're right about how front 7 players get knocked up more than WRs, but these violent hits where the WR lays on the ground after the play is more noticeable.

Anyway, you are in the majority thinking that was a bs hit/ejection. If the tables were turned and it was Deebo getting laid out like that on a pass that was severely overthrown, I'd be upset about the hit.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Lynch, Lott and Dawkins are one thing but I think Tatum was just a dirty player and that yes, the league would have been better off without him in it. Just my opinion though. Really looking forward to your game breakdown videos this season. Hopefully there will be a lot of winning plays to analyze.

I just watch the reviews video again and again. I have a questions. He got his shoulder to hits on him for chest to Chin that was foul and penalty?!??.. I know the rules about penalty for hits on head to head. Right?! Ofc

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Agree having an enforcer changes things. I get what you're saying but this is what it is now. We can keep being unhappy about it, or adjust and recognize that these are the hits the league no longer wants to see. It's too dangerous now that we know how these hits affect the players in the long term. You're right about how front 7 players get knocked up more than WRs, but these violent hits where the WR lays on the ground after the play is more noticeable.

Anyway, you are in the majority thinking that was a bs hit/ejection. If the tables were turned and it was Deebo getting laid out like that on a pass that was severely overthrown, I'd be upset about the hit.

I'd be more upset about whatever QB led him into such a stupid hit. That's on a QB. QB's used to get chewed out and blamed for things like that. If Shanny holds Mullens accountable for not seeing a backside LB why doesnt the Cowboys QB get the same blame for not seeing a safety?

I just think it's unfair to penalize a talented player for making what has been a good play for 40+ years.

To me, its hypocritical for the league to punish defensive players but not offensive players for safety violations.

We give tickets to people who drive on the wrong side if the road for endangering others but also give people tickets for not wearing seat belts or speeding for endangering themselves. I'm not all about wow hits, I want to see the game played where a defense isn't penalized for playing defense.

I finally got to watch the game, and this play.

I do not agree with the penalty, but wont scream about it. But the ejection is bull s**t.

The gripe i have with the foul, you have to see the WR did not make the catch (keep your head up) but when you make the tackle you have to get your head low.

And if you fail in any way, it is a very steep price.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Truth.

One of the strengths of the Walsh passing game was scheming players away from big hits. Kyle is doing the same thing.

It is a win/win. It completes a pass AND avoids injury. It won't be easy and it may not even happen the majority of the time, however, the combination of successful play execution and league attemps to avoid injury by rule enforcement will make the game safer and changes in the way the game is played will continue. If that leads to longer careers and fewer CTE issues for retired players, then it is something whose time has come.

It is what it is. More Junior Seau endings is not a good look.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Lynch, Lott and Dawkins are one thing but I think Tatum was just a dirty player and that yes, the league would have been better off without him in it. Just my opinion though. Really looking forward to your game breakdown videos this season. Hopefully there will be a lot of winning plays to analyze.

Tatum published his book, "They call me Assassin" after he broke that Patriots guy's neck on MNF (which I watched real-time) and turned him into a quadriplegic for life.

I miss neither Tatum nor the hits.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:
"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

I like those hits too but I don't like seeing 45 year old retired NFLers having CTE. Yes it's a different game, but to me, football is so much more than the WOW hits. Is the league better without those players? No. But this is one thing the league is doing to have parents continue having their kids play football. As fans we have to adjust too.

I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Agree having an enforcer changes things. I get what you're saying but this is what it is now. We can keep being unhappy about it, or adjust and recognize that these are the hits the league no longer wants to see. It's too dangerous now that we know how these hits affect the players in the long term. You're right about how front 7 players get knocked up more than WRs, but these violent hits where the WR lays on the ground after the play is more noticeable.

Anyway, you are in the majority thinking that was a bs hit/ejection. If the tables were turned and it was Deebo getting laid out like that on a pass that was severely overthrown, I'd be upset about the hit.

I'd be more upset about whatever QB led him into such a stupid hit. That's on a QB. QB's used to get chewed out and blamed for things like that. If Shanny holds Mullens accountable for not seeing a backside LB why doesnt the Cowboys QB get the same blame for not seeing a safety?

I just think it's unfair to penalize a talented player for making what has been a good play for 40+ years.

To me, its hypocritical for the league to punish defensive players but not offensive players for safety violations.

We give tickets to people who drive on the wrong side if the road for endangering others but also give people tickets for not wearing seat belts or speeding for endangering themselves. I'm not all about wow hits, I want to see the game played where a defense isn't penalized for playing defense.

The QB being held accountable for a bad throw can come after the play is done. During the play, when the ball is in the air and the defender can see the pass isn't going to be touched, the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not make helmet to helmet contact. It's not fair to make the defense have to adjust but these are the new rules and defenders have to adjust or they will continue to hurt their team with 15 yard penalties.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by thl408:

"Well back in my day those hits..."
These aren't those days anymore and we have to understand that. I'm probably in the minority but I think Colbert's hit was very dangerous and I don't mind that the league is trying to crackdown on it. Like some have mentioned, the pass was poorly thrown and Colbert could have still laid out a big hit without leading with the crown of his helmet. Doesn't matter if he led with a shoulder, he made contact with the helmet and the league is putting the responsibility on the defender to not hit with the helmet.

I understand it's not those days anymore but do you really think the league is better without Tatum, Lynch, Lott, and Dawkins players? None of those guys had great ball skills. You can say it's not safe, but that receiver has a choice to try and make that catch knowing a safety is there. A safety like that changes how offenses can attack. It's just plain stupid. Think of some of Patrick Willis's hits, he'd get kicked out of games today. That's just stupid.

It sucks ass dude. I miss those days too. But the game is what it is now and unfortunately, players have to play within these new rules...at least it's done with the right intentions...player safety and head trauma in mind. My biggest issue is they never take into account the receivers part in the play. If a RB, TE or WR ducks low and lowers his head into a clean area the defender was targeting, it shouldn't be a penalty. The strike zone is so small now on the upper body.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

I'm not advocating for CTE, which is actually more common from LB's and OL than WR'e because they were hit in the head almost every play, my point is, those receivers have as much responsibility for protecting themselves, if not more, than the league. Yes it is about more than wow hits, but having an enforcer in the middle of the field changes X's and O's. It's like, what made Young and Montana great was you didnt see them lead receivers into players like that hardly ever. These are professionals and so if it's about protecting players, start penalizing qb's for leading receivers into big hits. But that won't happen.

Truth.

One of the strengths of the Walsh passing game was scheming players away from big hits. Kyle is doing the same thing.

It is a win/win. It completes a pass AND avoids injury. It won't be easy and it may not even happen the majority of the time, however, the combination of successful play execution and league attemps to avoid injury by rule enforcement will make the game safer and changes in the way the game is played will continue. If that leads to longer careers and fewer CTE issues for retired players, then it is something whose time has come.

It is what it is. More Junior Seau endings is not a good look.

LOL. Brent Jones begs to differ. That dude was lit up like a Christmas tree on the regular.

I still say it was not helmet to helmet. I played that back frame by frame and he turned his head down and to the side to avoid helmet to helmet. His shoulder hit the receiver high in the chest. If there was any helmet to helmet contact it was incidental and very slight. Last time I checked, most people's head is on the top of the body. When you lean forward to tackle someone your head has to go down as well. You can only move it so far and at the speed they are moving it's really tough to do. You have to keep your eye on the guy while you are going in for the tackle so you don't miss and at the same time turn your head to the side. I would like to see replays like they do in college before ejecting a player. If it is ruled unintentional then just issue a 15 yard penalty. No need to change the possible outcome of the game for an accidental contact.