QB Josh Rosen

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:
Your obviously haven't read that's not even his point.

I think you are missing the point.

All I got from that article is that Rosen has strong opinions about scholar athletes and he's hungry for this season.
We'll see soon enough how that translates to the field.

As a pro quarterback he might have to put in the same amount of work as being a student athlete.

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
lol I read the title of the story also and just assume to know what it's all about also. Then there's the whole some classes he literally can't attend to get his major done cause of his football schedule and you wonder why is that class only available once a semester.

Its the whole notion that you need to pick either football or your education and that the programs dont do enough for students after football. Programs are more worried about winning and making them eligible to play doing them no favors.

Its been going on for decades

Yeah, I don't really like Rosen (the person) in a general way, and I have questions about if he's a good enough leader or a good enough quarterback to warrant being picked in the first round. But this feels like a hit job more than anything else. He was taken out of context. In context, these are all totally valid concerns for a student athlete to have, and there should be nothing wrong with voicing your concerns about them. The universities are making insane amounts of cash on the backs of these student athletes, and a lot of these programs don't live up to their end of the bargain. It should be fair to point that out without your comments getting twisted into a "I didn't come here to play school" situation.

Really, it goes to show that the sports media is either as lazy as we all claim that it is, or else is just one of the many groups stuffing themselves at the trough, with an interest in downplaying legitimate gripes.

I thought he came off bad in the recent interview, entitled/spoiled

There are many football players that take tough degrees and are excellent students . It is not impossible

College is an opportunity, not something owed to the athlete. Yes there are guys that have zero interest in education, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water....

OK now I'm kinda turned off by Rosen's comments. I mean he acts like players now and in the past haven't done the exact same thing he's going through right now. Sure there's a lot of money made in football, but there's a lot of money being spent on things that support college sports too. There's a reason that you get offered a COLLEGE EDUCATION while playing football.......chances are very slim that a player makes it to the NFL, not every player is considered a top prospect like Rosen is.

If that's the case Rosen and you feel Academics and football don't go hand in hand, then quit there's always the CFL to the NFL path you can go. I'm not sure what scouts and GM's will think of you after that.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
OK now I'm kinda turned off by Rosen's comments. I mean he acts like players now and in the past haven't done the exact same thing he's going through right now. Sure there's a lot of money made in football, but there's a lot of money being spent on things that support college sports too. There's a reason that you get offered a COLLEGE EDUCATION while playing football.......chances are very slim that a player makes it to the NFL, not every player is considered a top prospect like Rosen is.

If that's the case Rosen and you feel Academics and football don't go hand in hand, then quit there's always the CFL to the NFL path you can go. I'm not sure what scouts and GM's will think of you after that.

I don't see how anything he is saying is wrong. The NCAA is criminal in how it treats "student"-athletes.

Yes you can argue they give them an education but the cost of that education is substantially less than the revenue they generate for the NCAA and the demands of a D1 football program don't enable you to even take advantage of that education (anyone that has played D1 football at somewhere not named Stanford can attest to that). They not only don't pay players for their contribution, they prevent them from getting money outside of the program for anything to do with their name.

Coaches force them to spend countless hours signing autographs and meeting with donors, who in turn donate millions to the school, but get suspended for selling an autograph (or trading a signed football for a tattoo). They've suspended players for making money off standup comedy youtube channels, producing music on iTunes, seriously. The NCAA feels like they own the name of these "student"-athletes which unless they're fairly compensating them is like modern day slavery. Slaves got room and board too, some even an education.

Rosen isn't in the group of those that will be used and spit out by the NCAA because he's undoubtedly going to make millions in the NFL. That to me is what I think is noble about Rosen and will actually cause him to be liked by players and teammates. NFL owners may cringe, but can guarantee you a locker room agrees with everything Rosen has said. Good for him to have the balls to say it and stick up for those players who will give their body, sweat, and brain to make millions for their college and be working at Best Buy when their college career ends.

Yes he may be an entitled prick, but certainly not for these comments. As a former D1 football player, I like him way more for it.

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

I don't see how anything he is saying is wrong. The NCAA is criminal in how it treats "student"-athletes.

Yes you can argue they give them an education but the cost of that education is substantially less than the revenue they generate for the NCAA and the demands of a D1 football program don't enable you to even take advantage of that education (anyone that has played D1 football at somewhere not named Stanford can attest to that). They not only don't pay players for their contribution, they prevent them from getting money outside of the program for anything to do with their name.

Coaches force them to spend countless hours signing autographs and meeting with donors, who in turn donate millions to the school, but get suspended for selling an autograph (or trading a signed football for a tattoo). They've suspended players for making money off standup comedy youtube channels, producing music on iTunes, seriously. The NCAA feels like they own the name of these "student"-athletes which unless they're fairly compensating them is like modern day slavery. Slaves got room and board too, some even an education.

Rosen isn't in the group of those that will be used and spit out by the NCAA because he's undoubtedly going to make millions in the NFL. That to me is what I think is noble about Rosen and will actually cause him to be liked by players and teammates. NFL owners may cringe, but can guarantee you a locker room agrees with everything Rosen has said. Good for him to have the balls to say it and stick up for those players who will give their body, sweat, and brain to make millions for their college and be working at Best Buy when their college career ends.

Yes he may be an entitled prick, but certainly not for these comments. As a former D1 football player, I like him way more for it.

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:
Technically Rosen is right the majority of the athletes who attend college are not because of a degree but because its a way out of the poor life style they grew up in trying to make it to the NFL which not all succeed. Universities need to do more for athletes was the point.

Juice taking the quote out of context.

Agree 100%, that it is taken out of context. Plus Juice and David Shaw aren't exactly representative of a typical NCAA football player.

Ofcourse the Stanford coach and Harvard FB disagree, they are such an anomaly in the greater spectrum of NCAA football as both those schools and programs value academics more than any other school as the top 2 schools in the country. They are the 1% exception to the rule, not the rule itself.

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
The NCAA is criminal in how it treats "student"-athletes.

"Criminal." College students volunteer for the program and get free tuition & royalty status all over school. Poor guys.

Quit if it's so oppressive to you. Do CFB players know how to use doors?

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

The NCAA is criminal in how it treats "student"-athletes.

"Criminal." College students volunteer for the program and get free tuition & royalty status all over school. Poor guys.

Quit if it's so oppressive to you. Do CFB players know how to use doors?

What realistic alternative option do they have to pursue a football career? What right do they have telling a player they can't make money off their name? They don't restrict students from that. Why should they restrict athletes who are already making millions for the NCAA.

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
What realistic alternative option do they have to pursue a football career? What right do they have telling a player they can't make money off their name? They don't restrict students from that. Why should they restrict athletes who are already making millions for the NCAA.

They can make money off their names all they want; they just aren't welcome to play CFB if they do. I'm free to do a lot of things that make me ineligible to do other things.

And what realistic alternative to CFB do they have? How is that anyone else's problem but theirs? Join the army. Do construction. Get student loans like the rest of us. They're grown a** men.

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:
The NCAA is criminal in how it treats "student"-athletes.

"Criminal." College students volunteer for the program and get free tuition & royalty status all over school. Poor guys.

Quit if it's so oppressive to you. Do CFB players know how to use doors?

What realistic alternative option do they have to pursue a football career? What right do they have telling a player they can't make money off their name? They don't restrict students from that. Why should they restrict athletes who are already making millions for the NCAA.

Rules.

The same rules that hand them a free education to play a game as the financial aid bubble grows for the avg American.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by 49oz2superbowl:

What realistic alternative option do they have to pursue a football career? What right do they have telling a player they can't make money off their name? They don't restrict students from that. Why should they restrict athletes who are already making millions for the NCAA.

They can make money off their names all they want; they just aren't welcome to play CFB if they do. I'm free to do a lot of things that make me ineligible to do other things.

And what realistic alternative to CFB do they have? How is that anyone else's problem but theirs? Join the army. Do construction. Get student loans like the rest of us. They're grown a** men.

IKR! Some of these fools are lucky to get a scholarship and get a free diploma for just playing football. Not everyone is going to the NFL...take advantage of the free diploma that you got for playing football even though haven't passed a single class and add it to your resume. Lol

Originally posted by titan:

IKR! Some of these fools are lucky to get a scholarship and get a free diploma for just playing football. Not everyone is going to the NFL...take advantage of the free diploma that you got for playing football even though haven't passed a single class and add it to your resume. Lol

If it wasn't for footballl in sure they'd be rocket scientists. But the modern day slavery of college football kept them down!

This reminds me of the lawsuit against EA for NCAA game. Each player got a few hundred dollars, I'm sure it changed their lives! Meanwhile many of those players never took college seriously


Hmmm what would have helped them more? Short term small payments or long term benefit of education?

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by titan:
IKR! Some of these fools are lucky to get a scholarship and get a free diploma for just playing football. Not everyone is going to the NFL...take advantage of the free diploma that you got for playing football even though haven't passed a single class and add it to your resume. Lol

If it wasn't for footballl in sure they'd be rocket scientists. But the modern day slavery of college football kept them down!

This reminds me of the lawsuit against EA for NCAA game. Each player got a few hundred dollars, I'm sure it changed their lives! Meanwhile many of those players never took college seriously

Hmmm what would have helped them more? Short term small payments or long term benefit of education?

I can see this issue from both sides: The fact a kid feels like they have to attend college to go to the NFL is kinda sad, as you're not going to the NFL from high school and you won't be making a ton of money in a minor league. As a matter of fact, your protections in regards to your future are less in a minor league system as injured-retired players in college can still finish with a degree.

A kid b***hing about having to got to USC to get in the NFL is delusional. Many people would kill to get into USC and many other institutions; there lies the true value of the education they're getting in exchange for football / athletics.

This issue is very complex. But nobody is screwed by being compensated with a division one education in any way shape or form. My student loans are proof that these guys are NOT PLAYING FOR FREE. Four years at USC will cost you a $100k if straight out of pocket; even more at UCLA (though the tax payer helps defray some of that cost).