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Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Geeked:Guy can make some opinionated statements but he most certainly is not a dummy. I can see him staying if he believes a disaster is about to select him.
Just so he can get his head knocked off for "free" in college a whole other yr?
Like you said he's smart and knows he's one injury away from not being a millionaire and fulfilling his football dreams.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, it's not a right to play football at a University it should be an honor. Yes a football player has to work extra hard to not only get an education but what it also teaches you is to be a model citizen. Not only preparing you for life outside of football, but for the NFL too. You don't believe it? Look how many players get in trouble because the spotlight is too much for them at the next level?
Yes a university makes tons of money off their football program, but they also make money off their basketball, baseball and so on, where's the complaints from them? Rosen acts like football is the only sport in college that supports the schools. Schools offer these kids $20-$100 thousand dollar scholarships, players that are in the arena league don't even make that much.
I mean if you wanted to really make your statement known he should've of declined to go to college or UCLA and entered the CFL then make his case. It's like giving alcoholic's free liquor for years then complaining about it, you don't like it, don't drink.
Agree to disagree I guess, I mean, he'd have more of an argument if more players than just him made comments like that in the present or past.
I'm gonna jump in with my two cents on the full article.
What I got from it, is bacially football players are brought in to play football right? Certain schools have different guidelines in order to go to that school and play....Alabama for example isn't gonna require a player to maintain a cetain GPA vs say Stanford or UCLA.
Talented players that might not have any ambition to get a degree or just plain and simple aren't very smart are gonna go to places that don't require those scores. IMO players that actually get degrees in s**t that really matters AND actually are starters/play well, well that's very impressive but not the norm.
I think he was simply saying that if schools like Alabama had the same requirements as say UCLA well talent would be spread around a little more. Think about it if your a top recruit and your whole goal is playing football in the NFL would you go to a school like Alabama and not have to study your ass off OR would you go to Stanford and have to maintain a certain GPA to play (if you can get into both)?
The whole comment that football and school don't mix was blown wayyyy out of proportion imo.
I mean if I'm totally off base let me know lol
I'd rather he just talk about how he's working hard and learning, then move on to the next question. This isn't a permanent mark against him. I was just hoping he'd be a little more mature upstairs. But the season is young and experience is a great teacher. Maybe all he needs is a little interview practice and some guys in pads chasing him around.Originally posted by zonkers:Nothing wrong with your argument or Rosen's. Nothing he said was really over the top. Though, overall I think his interview showed he's still a kid, which disappoints me.
His talent easily makes him a QBOTF type and that's what I want to see him become. A QBOTF type should've just said "school's tough, but I'll grind through it." He basically baited the interviewer to ask him more about it. It's great that he's aware and I don't necessarily disagree, but he basically spent half an interview on a topic NFL staffs won't care about. For all they know, he'll just as easily waste half of film study on some irrelevant point. Or decide to call his own audible just because. TBH some of his freshman year games had this pattern of decision making too. I'd like to see him tighten up that thought process.
The rest of his interview was basically him saying how humbled and mature he has become. TBH it sounded more like a 20 year saying how much he's grown since being 19. Getting 8 hours of sleep doesn't really mean you've grown up.
Another glaring omission in his interview is that he didn't mention any of his teammates. He just said "lead this team" once. I'd rather he spent the interview highlighting teammates to look out for and how ready the team is. But, it's not Connor Cook level and maybe he just needs UCLA PR to spend some time with him.
but that's what happens with these interviews nowadays.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by zonkers:
Nothing wrong with your argument or Rosen's. Nothing he said was really over the top. Though, overall I think his interview showed he's still a kid, which disappoints me.
His talent easily makes him a QBOTF type and that's what I want to see him become. A QBOTF type should've just said "school's tough, but I'll grind through it." He basically baited the interviewer to ask him more about it. It's great that he's aware and I don't necessarily disagree, but he basically spent half an interview on a topic NFL staffs won't care about. For all they know, he'll just as easily waste half of film study on some irrelevant point. Or decide to call his own audible just because. TBH some of his freshman year games had this pattern of decision making too. I'd like to see him tighten up that thought process.
The rest of his interview was basically him saying how humbled and mature he has become. TBH it sounded more like a 20 year saying how much he's grown since being 19. Getting 8 hours of sleep doesn't really mean you've grown up.
Another glaring omission in his interview is that he didn't mention any of his teammates. He just said "lead this team" once. I'd rather he spent the interview highlighting teammates to look out for and how ready the team is. But, it's not Connor Cook level and maybe he just needs UCLA PR to spend some time with him.
A lot of reading in between the lines therebut that's what happens with these interviews nowadays.
Originally posted by jcs:
He's starting to remind me of another great UCLA QB Cade McNown...I wonder if he becomes a similar douche bag when he too gets drafted.
Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Originally posted by jcs:
He's starting to remind me of another great UCLA QB Cade McNown...I wonder if he becomes a similar douche bag when he too gets drafted.
I don't remember d-bag stories about Cade. What did he do?
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
I thought he came off bad in the recent interview, entitled/spoiled
There are many football players that take tough degrees and are excellent students . It is not impossible
College is an opportunity, not something owed to the athlete. Yes there are guys that have zero interest in education, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water....
Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:
Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
I thought he came off bad in the recent interview, entitled/spoiled
There are many football players that take tough degrees and are excellent students . It is not impossible
College is an opportunity, not something owed to the athlete. Yes there are guys that have zero interest in education, as the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water....
Ya lot of the stuff he said he was bad. But, he made a really good point about the student / athlete bs.
If you want to be a serious college student and an athlete, at the same time, it is very hard. A lot of the times the classes that you need are not available during the football off season for example (when a lot of players take the harder classes). And if you are a kid had needs another 15-20 hours before graduation and those classes are upper majors, you might not be able to take them in the spring, but only during the fall. And if you are somebody with Rosen's talents, you're not going to give a f**k about your 400 economics class during college football season.
A lot of other former college athletes spoke about this too. Most of them had the same story, whether it was football, basketball, baseball. For many of these guys, the advisors just put them in really s**tty majors that are easy and they can pass without having to spend a lot of time studying, and worry more about the sport their in. And as a 18 year old kid, you're gonna listen to the advisor, you're gonna listen to the coach. It's easy to say well the kid should know better and he shouldn't major in sports psychology or whatever, but the truth is most don't. You are talking about a lot of poor, inner city black kids, who's parents never went to college and they don't have too many people to get their advice from, so they are easily manipulated into just being an athlete first and a student a distant second.
These colleges don't care about these kids, the idea of a student athlete has gotten a bit better, but it's still very skewed. Until the NCAA doesn't make billions of these sports, they will never give a f**k about the kids and their education, it's business first; always has been, and probably always will be in this country.
Rosen reminds me so much of Matt Ryan on the field https://t.co/tsGMWSx7Pw
— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) August 23, 2017
Originally posted by NYniner85:Rosen reminds me so much of Matt Ryan on the field https://t.co/tsGMWSx7Pw
— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) August 23, 2017
What I've been saying as well
Originally posted by Hysterikal:Originally posted by NYniner85:Rosen reminds me so much of Matt Ryan on the field https://t.co/tsGMWSx7Pw
— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) August 23, 2017
What I've been saying as well
Mart Ryan's arm with Eli Mannings goofiness that as a defender you want to hit.
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by Hysterikal:Originally posted by NYniner85:Rosen reminds me so much of Matt Ryan on the field https://t.co/tsGMWSx7Pw
— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) August 23, 2017
What I've been saying as well
Mart Ryan's arm with Eli Mannings goofiness that as a defender you want to hit.
I think he'd thrive in Kyle's system
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
If Rosen can keep his ego in check then he could thrive in pretty much any situation he is a fantastic QB. Now if he gets put in a situation like David Carr, Blake Bortles or Andrew Luck he would probably be decent but not as good as Luck has done but not as bad as Bortle or Carr. Hopefully he goes to a team like the 49ers, Saints or Dolphins where he's got good coaches and a decent supporting cast. If he goes to the Jets or Jaguars he will not look good. Browns and Bills I'm on the fence with.
Originally posted by gold49digger:After seeing the QBs play I am convinced that if we are in position to get either Rosen or Darnold we would get Rosen. His release and mechanics superior to Darnold and we shyed away from the cocky prospect for the safe one before and im sure the Yorks do not want to experience that again lol.