QB Josh Rosen

Originally posted by jcs:

Is he a future NFL Leader, is he really committed to the game??

"Unless he continues to work hard...unless he makes good decisions...unless he dedicates himself the way that guys like Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Peyton Manning have then it's a pipe dream. And, I've asked him "Who do you want to be Johnny Manziel or Tom Brady? And, you need to make that decision right now and you need to start working in the direction that you want to work in. So, if you're going to go out on Donald Trump's golf course and wear a hat that says 'F-- Trump', I said, 'You're heading towards Johnny Manziel.' So, let's head toward Peyton Manning. Let's head towards Tom Brady. Let's head towards Troy Aikman," - UCLA HC Jim Mora Jr.

Freshmen Year and Your quoting Jim Mora who's a lousy coach... Enough Said 😂😂😂

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:
These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:
Is he a future NFL Leader, is he really committed to the game??

"Unless he continues to work hard...unless he makes good decisions...unless he dedicates himself the way that guys like Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Peyton Manning have then it's a pipe dream. And, I've asked him "Who do you want to be Johnny Manziel or Tom Brady? And, you need to make that decision right now and you need to start working in the direction that you want to work in. So, if you're going to go out on Donald Trump's golf course and wear a hat that says 'F-- Trump', I said, 'You're heading towards Johnny Manziel.' So, let's head toward Peyton Manning. Let's head towards Tom Brady. Let's head towards Troy Aikman," - UCLA HC Jim Mora Jr.

Freshmen Year and Your quoting Jim Mora... Enough Said 😂😂😂

The quote is last season....the tub is freshman year. The interview questioning college football was this season and his record right now is 3-3 with Washington, Utah and USC still on the schedule. Lets see if he can even win one of those three...

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

As a pro abosolutely he's the best QB prospect and college wins don't mean nothing when evaluating bud

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:
These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

As a pro abosolutely he's the best QB prospect and college wins don't mean nothing when evaluating bud

That's what scouts said about Cutler.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:
These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

As a pro abosolutely he's the best QB prospect and college wins don't mean nothing when evaluating bud

That's what scouts said about Cutler.

Honestly, you put Rosen on USC or Washington and Rosen would be undefeated right now.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

As a pro abosolutely he's the best QB prospect and college wins don't mean nothing when evaluating bud

That's what scouts said about Cutler.

Honestly, you put Rosen on USC or Washington and Rosen would be undefeated right now.

Exactly what Happened to all the Wins Matt Leinert had? Its not the entire story on evaluating

Regardless of the Win column, he was fantastic in a couple games early (A&M and think Hawaii), but overall I don't get the hype. I've watched 3-4 games every snap and portions of the other games, from what I've seen he can be inaccurate and prone to bad decisions, including just throwing it up for grabs. Pretty much any young QB will do that on occasion, but seems to a pattern with Rosen.

Originally posted by jcs:

These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

So has every top QB prospect on a horrible team. Why do you have such a hard-on for s**tting on Rosen? It doesn't make sense, especially since you think Mayfield is a better QB.

All you're looking at is wins and stats. Like a kid playing video games. Your criticisms completely lack depth.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:

Regardless of the Win column, he was fantastic in a couple games early (A&M and think Hawaii), but overall I don't get the hype. I've watched 3-4 games every snap and portions of the other games, from what I've seen he can be inaccurate and prone to bad decisions, including just throwing it up for grabs. Pretty much any young QB will do that on occasion, but seems to a pattern with Rosen.

When you're stuck on a crappy team you're forced into "hero ball". In the NFL more talent on the roster and coaching will take care of that.


There's other ways to evaluate QB's outside of stats and the teams record. Pointing out some poor decisions is fair game. Put him on a ranked team with a better cast and he'd not be making decisions out of desperation in an attempt to win games.

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

As a pro abosolutely he's the best QB prospect and college wins don't mean nothing when evaluating bud

That's what scouts said about Cutler.

Honestly, you put Rosen on USC or Washington and Rosen would be undefeated right now.

I would prefer evaluating a QB on a team with poor blocking, poor rushing and average defense at best. They can't hide their deficiencies and their strengths also bubble to the surface.

QB's on great teams hide their deficiencies as their strengths are exaggerated. Especially when they're in a gimmicky spread offense with decent WR's.

Put most of these spread QB's on a team running pro-concepts (with poor blocking) on an average or below average team and their pretty stats will melt away.

Originally posted by DelCed2486:
Regardless of the Win column, he was fantastic in a couple games early (A&M and think Hawaii), but overall I don't get the hype. I've watched 3-4 games every snap and portions of the other games, from what I've seen he can be inaccurate and prone to bad decisions, including just throwing it up for grabs. Pretty much any young QB will do that on occasion, but seems to a pattern with Rosen.

well when you have no running game, the other team plays the pass and thats what defenses have been doing to UCLA. Some of the INTs are head scratchers but Rosen has to force some of those throws into double coverage to have any chance of moving the ball.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

When you're stuck on a crappy team you're forced into "hero ball". In the NFL more talent on the roster and coaching will take care of that.


There's other ways to evaluate QB's outside of stats and the teams record. Pointing out some poor decisions is fair game. Put him on a ranked team with a better cast and he'd not be making decisions out of desperation in an attempt to win games.

I watch a good amount of college ball, more than NFL, but I don't pretend for a second that I'm any kind of amateur scout, draftnik, etc. I don't make charts or spreadsheets, I don't go back to "watch the film".

But some players I just get a feeling about, and sometimes I'm really wrong, e.g. I thought Manziel and Manuel would be decent pros, thought Goff wouldn't be very good. But I have been right on a few like Iupati (early 49er version), Ezekiel Elliot (early in soph season), Dak Prescott among others.

And while I realize there are mitigating factors such as talent (or lack thereof) around them, system, coaching, I'm just not sold on Rosen, or Darnold or Jackson for that matter. I could and likely will be wrong on at least one or all the following 3, but I like Mayfield, Rudolph, and Browning more than those other guys...of course I probably just guaranteed these 3 will be busts and Rosen/Darnold/Jackson HOF, so yeah now Niners should take Rosen.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

As a pro abosolutely he's the best QB prospect and college wins don't mean nothing when evaluating bud

That's what scouts said about Cutler.

Honestly, you put Rosen on USC or Washington and Rosen would be undefeated right now.

I would prefer evaluating a QB on a team with poor blocking, poor rushing and average defense at best. They can't hide their deficiencies and their strengths also bubble to the surface.

QB's on great teams hide their deficiencies as their strengths are exaggerated. Especially when they're in a gimmicky spread offense with decent WR's.

Put most of these spread QB's on a team running pro-concepts (with poor blocking) on an average or below average team and their pretty stats will melt away.

Couldn't agree anymore why do you think Darnolds bad mechanics are not talked about? Winning and stats make you blind when evaluating.

I love to see when the kid is getting knocked down how he gets up, how he handles adversity, how he responds after a bad game those are the moments that stand out to me. On top of the tools and system thats gonna make him thrive at the next level.

So far Rosen is the beet fit for Shanny's offense has a lot of Matt Ryan in him and kid is tough he's taking a beating this year.

So Far Rosen

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49er_Rider:

Originally posted by jcs:
These excuses are getting ridiculous. He's losing games against bad unranked schools...in college.

Its a team sport bud UCLA is Not good doesnt mean it don't have a talented player

If he's the anointed NFL franchise savior that some want to crown him as then you would think he would be good enough to lead his team to a better record than 3-3 in the pac 12?

As a pro abosolutely he's the best QB prospect and college wins don't mean nothing when evaluating bud

That's what scouts said about Cutler.

Honestly, you put Rosen on USC or Washington and Rosen would be undefeated right now.

I would prefer evaluating a QB on a team with poor blocking, poor rushing and average defense at best. They can't hide their deficiencies and their strengths also bubble to the surface.

QB's on great teams hide their deficiencies as their strengths are exaggerated. Especially when they're in a gimmicky spread offense with decent WR's.

Put most of these spread QB's on a team running pro-concepts (with poor blocking) on an average or below average team and their pretty stats will melt away.

Couldn't agree anymore why do you think Darnolds bad mechanics are not talked about? Winning and stats make you blind when evaluating.

I love to see when the kid is getting knocked down how he gets up, how he handles adversity, how he responds after a bad game those are the moments that stand out to me. On top of the tools and system thats gonna make him thrive at the next level.

So far Rosen is the beet fit for Shanny's offense has a lot of Matt Ryan in him and kid is tough he's taking a beating this year.

So Far Rosen

thats been the problem with USC QBs. Great winning culture props up everyone's draft stock and the players get overhyped.

Honestly, i think Darnold might be the better college QB but i think that Rosen will be the better pro. Darnold will need time to get acclimated to a pro style offense and theres no guarantee he will be able to fully run a pro style offense, which is what happens to alot of these QBs coming out of college. We know that Rosen is fully capable of that.