The Baalke Meter

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by LVJay:
So I just reduced Baalke's list and didn't bother to add the Marathe / Scotts lists... There are surely a couple of more cuts to come from Baalke's list ooner or later, but not too many from the current list below (imo).

I haven't reduced Lynch's list (players cut / practice squad), but I think both lists ( % / numbers ) will be relatively close by time the all cuts are made. Feel free to reduce from both of these lists if you're curious to see what a more closer picture will look like after all cuts (53 man roster).

Armstead, Arik DL Baalke
Armstrong, Ray-Ray LB Baalke
Beadles, Zane G Baalke
Bell, Blake TE Baalke
Blair, Ronald DL Baalke
Bowman, NaVorro LB Baalke
Brown, Trent OL Baalke
Buckner, DeForest DL Baalke
Carradine, Tank DL Baalke
Dial, Quinton NT Baalke
Garnett, Joshua G Baalke
Harold, Eli LB Baalke
Harris, DuJuan RB Baalke
Hyde, Carlos RB Baalke
Iworah, Prince Charles CB Baalke
Johnson, Dontae CB Baalke
Kerley, Jeremy WR Baalke
Kilgore, Daniel C Baalke
Lynch, Aaron LB Baalke
McDonald, Vance TE Baalke
Nelson, Kyle TE/LS Baalke
Pinion, Bradley P Baalke
Reaser, Keith CB Baalke
Redmond, Will CB Baalke
Reid, Eric S Baalke
Robinson, Rashard CB Baalke
Tartt, Jaquiski S Baalke
Theus, John OL Baalke
Ward, Jimmie DB Baalke

29 from baalke's list (for now)

(Lists separated by yawns of course)

Barkley, Matt QB Shanny/Lynch
Barnes, Tim C Shanny/Lynch
Beathard, C.J. QB Shanny/Lynch
Bibbs, Kapri RB Shanny/Lynch
Carter, DeAndre WR Shanny/Lynch
Colbert, Adrian S Shanny/Lynch
Coyle, Brock LB Shanny/Lynch
Foster, Reuben LB Shanny/Lynch
Franklin, Zach DB Shanny/Lynch
Fusco, Brandon OL Shanny/Lynch
Garçon, Pierre WR Shanny/Lynch
Gilliam, Garry OL Shanny/Lynch
Goodwin, Marquise WR Shanny/Lynch
Gould, Robbie K Shanny/Lynch
Hightower, Tim RB Shanny/Lynch
Hoyer, Brian QB Shanny/Lynch
Jones, D.J. DL Shanny/Lynch
Jones, Don DB Shanny/Lynch
Juszczyk, Kyle FB Shanny/Lynch
Kittle, George TE Shanny/Lynch
Mitchell, Earl NT Shanny/Lynch
Paulsen, Logan TE Shanny/Lynch
Robinson, Aldrick WR Shanny/Lynch
Smith, Malcolm LB Shanny/Lynch
Taumoepenu, Pita DL Shanny/Lynch
Taylor, Trent WR Shanny/Lynch
Thomas, Solomon DL Shanny/Lynch
Watson, Dekoda LB Shanny/Lynch
Williams, Joe RB Shanny/Lynch
Williams, K'Waun CB Shanny/Lynch
Witherspoon, Ahkello DB Shanny/Lynch
Zuttah, Jeremy OL Shanny/Lynch
DiManche, Jayson LB Shanny/Lynch
Bolden, Victor WR Shanny/Lynch
Bourne, Kendrick WR Shanny/Lynch
B.Matt RB Shanny/Lynch
Cannon, KD WR Shanny/Lynch
Eide, Andrew OL Shanny/Lynch
Flynn, JP OL Shanny/Lynch
Gilbert, Jimmie LB Shanny/Lynch
Golden, Malik S Shanny/Lynch
Hikutini, Cole TE Shanny/Lynch
Jerome, Lorenzo S Shanny/Lynch
Magnuson, Erik OG Shanny/Lynch
McCloskey, Tyler TE Shanny/Lynch
Mullens, Nick QB Shanny/Lynch
Newsom, Donavin LB Shanny/Lynch
Nwachuckwu, Noble DE Shanny/Lynch
Pretlow, Jihaad DB Shanny/Lynch
Treadway, Bret C Shanny/Lynch
Williams Jr, Darrell OT Shanny/Lynch

51 one on Lynch list (for now)

Wow this is such a better way to look at it. Next update I do, I'll organize it that way.

29 Baalkies. And I agree, we're not going to go much lower than that number. So, the 53 man is actually going to see a rise in the Baalke Meter.

I'm curious to see your / other poster's outcome since you guys are more serious and knowledgable of players. The outcome, I'm sure wouldn't be too far from accurate. I would have a tough time with Lynch's list since I haven't seen a lot of those guys play for long or at all...

Originally posted by communist:

An useless thread imho because the result is washy through the large amount of additions by Lynch/Shanahan.
Final 53 plus PS should be the reference level.

Good point about resetting the baseline once we get to a new benchmark. When we get to 53, I'll could use this as the baseline:

53 last year at this time was 51 Baalke + Staley (McC) + Brooks (McC) = 51/53 = 96%.

But I like your idea better 53 + 10 (practice squad).

So, 61/63 = 97%

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
Could it be possible to be at less than 30% first year!? That would be pretty cool. I guess changing the culture works best with a whole new group of players

You hope not to go that low in the first year because it says you have very little talent on the roster worth keeping.

2-14 record speaks for itself but it would be nice if the new regime could salvage some of these careers so we don't have to have a total rebuild across the board.

Unfortunately we have very few key building block pieces from Baalke. Buckner may really be the only guy. Bowman needs to show he's healthy but unfortunately may never be the same player he was before his knee injury and Achilles tear last season. Ward hopefully shows he's a key piece along with Robinson. If Buckner proves to be the only Baalke pick we can really consider a decent starter then boy this may take a while.

This for sure, and I think Saleh is pretty motivated to get started. Also, I don't believe (out of Baalke's drafts) we'll hold less than 22 players from last year. If 22 were the number, then the other 31 are the new regime's... who out of Lynch and Shanny's list are keepers?

Originally posted by LVJay:

I'm curious to see your / other poster's outcome since you guys are more serious and knowledgable of players. The outcome, I'm sure wouldn't be too far from accurate. I would have a tough time with Lynch's list since I haven't seen a lot of those guys play for long or at all...

You should give it a try - a stab at what the roster will look like - NC tricked me into doing it in his Team Needs thread. And? I already got one wrong! (Eric Rogers got cut lol).

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Howlett49:

Could it be possible to be at less than 30% first year!? That would be pretty cool. I guess changing the culture works best with a whole new group of players

You hope not to go that low in the first year because it says you have very little talent on the roster worth keeping.

2-14 record speaks for itself but it would be nice if the new regime could salvage some of these careers so we don't have to have a total rebuild across the board.

Unfortunately we have very few key building block pieces from Baalke. Buckner may really be the only guy. Bowman needs to show he's healthy but unfortunately may never be the same player he was before his knee injury and Achilles tear last season. Ward hopefully shows he's a key piece along with Robinson. If Buckner proves to be the only Baalke pick we can really consider a decent starter then boy this may take a while.

This for sure, and I think Saleh is pretty motivated to get started. Also, I don't believe (out of Baalke's drafts) we'll hold less than 22 players from last year. If 22 were the number, then the other 31 are the new regime's... who out of Lynch and Shanny's list are keepers?

Completely agree - I see us keeping around the number LV came up with ~25 ish, give or take a few.

As for who is kept from Shanny/Lynch's additions, I'd love to keep 30-40 of them, but who goes to practice squad? Check out NCs thread, he and AB have really good breakdowns of who they think is being kept and why - guaranteed money plays into some of it.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by LVJay:


I'm curious to see your / other poster's outcome since you guys are more serious and knowledgable of players. The outcome, I'm sure wouldn't be too far from accurate. I would have a tough time with Lynch's list since I haven't seen a lot of those guys play for long or at all...

You should give it a try - a stab at what the roster will look like - NC tricked me into doing it in his Team Needs thread. And? I already got one wrong! (Eric Rogers got cut lol).

Lol me too!

But if you look at those 29 players from the reduced list, I can only see 7 at the most getting cut, and I actually think it could be less than 7 cuts. Unless Lynch / Shanny really want to fold and start from scratch (total rebuild, which I doubt).

I really think Saleh can work with a lot of the holdovers and he / staff will turn some of the average guys into solid depth while the playmakers (Bow, Buck, Lynch Foster, Solo, etc) will just get better.

But like I mentioned before, the Lynch list is the toughy...

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Howlett49:
Could it be possible to be at less than 30% first year!? That would be pretty cool. I guess changing the culture works best with a whole new group of players

You hope not to go that low in the first year because it says you have very little talent on the roster worth keeping.

2-14 record speaks for itself but it would be nice if the new regime could salvage some of these careers so we don't have to have a total rebuild across the board.

Unfortunately we have very few key building block pieces from Baalke. Buckner may really be the only guy. Bowman needs to show he's healthy but unfortunately may never be the same player he was before his knee injury and Achilles tear last season. Ward hopefully shows he's a key piece along with Robinson. If Buckner proves to be the only Baalke pick we can really consider a decent starter then boy this may take a while.

This for sure, and I think Saleh is pretty motivated to get started. Also, I don't believe (out of Baalke's drafts) we'll hold less than 22 players from last year. If 22 were the number, then the other 31 are the new regime's... who out of Lynch and Shanny's list are keepers?

Completely agree - I see us keeping around the number LV came up with ~25 ish, give or take a few.

As for who is kept from Shanny/Lynch's additions, I'd love to keep 30-40 of them, but who goes to practice squad? Check out NCs thread, he and AB have really good breakdowns of who they think is being kept and why - guaranteed money plays into some of it.

Will do!

I'll have to take a looksy before I put into account how many wins we'll get close to... I'm thinking of wagering over 4.5 / 5 wins

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Brilliant thread Lobo.

I second this.

I think Dujuan Harris, John Theus, Keith Reaser, Blake Bell, Iworah are on their toes to keep a job. Smelter didn't make get cut if I'm not mistaken. If so he should be on the list. Ellington as well?

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Good point about resetting the baseline once we get to a new benchmark. When we get to 53, I'll could use this as the baseline:

53 last year at this time was 51 Baalke + Staley (McC) + Brooks (McC) = 51/53 = 96%.

But I like your idea better 53 + 10 (practice squad).

So, 61/63 = 97%

I like that so I like my idea.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Lol baalke.

What a piece of work that guy was. Record breaking Demolition of a championship squad.

Im glad lynch is going for the record of destroying a bottom tier team. Not even p***yfooting around just getting rid of baalke's bums.

He's not "just waiting on it" thankfully.

It is now working how it should. The head coach and GM telling errand boy Paraag who they want and where they want the player and tell him to go fetch. Get on the phones biatch! New sheriff in town.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Lol baalke.

What a piece of work that guy was. Record breaking Demolition of a championship squad.

Im glad lynch is going for the record of destroying a bottom tier team. Not even p***yfooting around just getting rid of baalke's bums.

He's not "just waiting on it" thankfully.

It is now working how it should. The head coach and GM telling errand boy Paraag who they want and where they want the player and tell him to go fetch. Get on the phones biatch! New sheriff in town.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Someone is sort of stealing your thunder here:

http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/02/overhaul-new-49ers-regime-turns-over-more-than-half-of-roster/

I know right? I will fight Biderman and Branch right now!

I have photo evidence that I had this idea yesterday before both those guys wrote their stuff. Makes you wonder if they read the zone (we know you do ).

I posted this in NC's Team Needs thread:



Bring it on lol!

I don't remember the exact day but I posted back a while that we were going to be over 50% gone by the time TC started.

It was clear last season that most of the players on the team should not be in the NFL. Lack of team speed was a huge problem and has been a problem for a long time. Even in the Harbaugh years we didn't have the speed on offense to really scare anyone. Lynch/Shanahan clearly understand that.

More changes will happen as cuts happen but I don't anticipate many more changes. Most of the dirty laundry has already been sent out.

Originally posted by dj43:
I don't remember the exact day but I posted back a while that we were going to be over 50% gone by the time TC started.

It was clear last season that most of the players on the team should not be in the NFL. Lack of team speed was a huge problem and has been a problem for a long time. Even in the Harbaugh years we didn't have the speed on offense to really scare anyone. Lynch/Shanahan clearly understand that.

More changes will happen as cuts happen but I don't anticipate many more changes. Most of the dirty laundry has already been sent out.

The improvement to team speed is incredible. I'm loving it. Speed is the number one thing listed on that sign they showed from the Draft. Like you pointed out, it's so obvious that it has been a priority for them since day 1. Get Faster. Then get even faster.

To your other point, I wouldn't be surprised to see another 10-15 ish Baalke players gone by the time we hit 53. And then it'll steadily go down from there. There are some Baalke players I hope stay Niners their whole career though.

Originally posted by father49er:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Brilliant thread Lobo.

I second this.

thanks guys