OL Laken Tomlinson, signs with NYJ

Originally posted by NYniner85:
PFF has Tomlinson at 3yrs $27M $16.7M GTD

You are correct. It looks like I was confused on my notes between LT and Scherff.16.7 is their estimate of guaranteed money for LT. 12.9 is Scherff's market value.

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

You know what's even better? Keep Mack for another year at C, draft Linderbaum and start him at G unless Banks beats him out for that spot, let Banks and Moore be the primary backups at the G positions and Brunskill goes back to being the backup swing tackle. This allows Linderbaum to learn from Mack and replace him in 2023. Also in 2023, Banks and Moore then compete for the starting RG spot. Offensive line fixed for the foreseeable future.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

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Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

You know what's even better? Keep Mack for another year at C, draft Linderbaum and start him at G unless Banks beats him out for that spot, let Banks and Moore be the primary backups at the G positions and Brunskill goes back to being the backup swing tackle. This allows Linderbaum to learn from Mack and replace him in 2023. Also in 2023, Banks and Moore then compete for the starting RG spot. Offensive line fixed for the foreseeable future.

As usual you know your stuff.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

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I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

You know what's even better? Keep Mack for another year at C, draft Linderbaum and start him at G unless Banks beats him out for that spot, let Banks and Moore be the primary backups at the G positions and Brunskill goes back to being the backup swing tackle. This allows Linderbaum to learn from Mack and replace him in 2023. Also in 2023, Banks and Moore then compete for the starting RG spot. Offensive line fixed for the foreseeable future.

As usual you know your stuff.

Not sure if that's sarcasm or you being genuine. If it's genuine, thank you.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

+ Show all quotes You know what's even better? Keep Mack for another year at C, draft Linderbaum and start him at G unless Banks beats him out for that spot, let Banks and Moore be the primary backups at the G positions and Brunskill goes back to being the backup swing tackle. This allows Linderbaum to learn from Mack and replace him in 2023. Also in 2023, Banks and Moore then compete for the starting RG spot. Offensive line fixed for the foreseeable future.

As usual you know your stuff.

Not sure if that's sarcasm or you being genuine. If it's genuine, thank you.

Genuine all day my friend

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
To me. The niners need to massively invest in the oline. You saw what happened to Burrow. Same thing that happened to him and Jimmy will happen to Trey. They've neglected it long enough.

No they haven't lol.

Trade for former 1st rd pick Tomlinson, dude hasn't missed a start since he got here and is about as steady as it gets at LG. Traded for the best LT in football. Spent a top 10 pick on RT. Spent over $45M on a damn good center (who got hurt) then brought in a 7x pro-bowler, 3x all-pro all decade center in Mack and just spent a top 50 pick on RG.

They haven't neglected s**t. They can always upgrade and create more competition but the OL overall isn't horrible like some in here complain it was. Dudes got hurt and backups are backups for a reason.

We keep complaining b/c they were one of the main reasons we lost the SB and the NFCCG. Our center RG, and RT can't hold up against top competition when we have needed them too. And so far they have been unable to properly upgrade all 3 positions.

Both of you are right. The O-line isn't horrible but it did break down at the worst moments. Now I'm a little more forgiving in the SB because we were playing backups. In the NFCCG, they held up enough for the team to have far more points than what they had scored. With the defense holding the Rams to 7 at the time and Aaron Donald being mostly invisible, we should've scored far more. With that said, we can stand to upgrade at RG (which the probably already have). Aaron Banks came in with a rep as a pass blocker, but wasn't a natural fit for this system, so between his injury and getting him ready for this system, I'd think that set him back more than actual talent. I remember it was said in the 2017 or 2018 system the line needs time playing together to really master this blocking scheme. At any rate, if he can't outright win the job in 2022, we are in trouble. So if we get a good pick for Jimmy this year, I think that makes 10 total and if we go into the draft with 10 and use all 10, I'm hoping we use 3 on O-line: draft a center of the future, a guard, and a tackle, with the bolded being a priority. And by priority, I'm talking day 1 or 2 picks only. I think between Jaylon Moore, Mike McGlinchey, Daniel Brunskill, and Colton McKivitz, we might be okay at tackle for a year. In a perfect world, we have multiple guys ready to start, with MM getting the nod. I can see him netting nice compensation with a solid year and departing in free agency.

Is this guy really going to get 8 million a year? I think he's above average but that's a lot of money. No options?

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

dream scenario but am all for it

I've read somewhere [sorry no link] he hasn't missed a game since he got here.

Impressive to say the least

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

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Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

You know what's even better? Keep Mack for another year at C, draft Linderbaum and start him at G unless Banks beats him out for that spot, let Banks and Moore be the primary backups at the G positions and Brunskill goes back to being the backup swing tackle. This allows Linderbaum to learn from Mack and replace him in 2023. Also in 2023, Banks and Moore then compete for the starting RG spot. Offensive line fixed for the foreseeable future.

Damn you beat me to it! I really want to see the O line sorted ready for Lance,

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
You know what's even better? Keep Mack for another year at C, draft Linderbaum and start him at G unless Banks beats him out for that spot, let Banks and Moore be the primary backups at the G positions and Brunskill goes back to being the backup swing tackle. This allows Linderbaum to learn from Mack and replace him in 2023. Also in 2023, Banks and Moore then compete for the starting RG spot. Offensive line fixed for the foreseeable future.

This is my dream scenario as well. C is hard in this system. He needs a year before he can run the show. Start him at guard and move him next year. Rotate Moore/banks in regularly to blood them so that one of them wins the job next season.

I'm comfortable with brunskill as OL #6, if McG is healthy and in 2023 banks/Moore wins 1 g spot and the loser is backup G and ol #7 we're set. Good teams need 7 linemen minimum

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by Tigerlaw:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by thl408:
I wish Scherff was a reality. The following players have cap increases going from 2021 to 2022: Armstead +$7.5, Trent +$12, Kittle +$10.5. So that's $30 in cap hit increases from players already on the roster. The salary cap will increase so that helps, but the cap space earned from getting rid of Jimmy's $27 is already accounted for. Sure they can restructure some of the deals, but I hope the team takes care of their own (Deebo/Bosa) before thinking about splurging on a free agent guard.

Too bad Scherff is not possible. I still think Banks will prove to be worth his draft slot. It is rare that Notre Dame OL do not prove out in the NFL.

My dream scenario would be to trade Garoppolo to Denver or Washington for their #1 pick this year and use that pick for Linderbaum, the center from Iowa. Everything I am seeing about him indicates he is the best center prospect for decades. We could then cut Mack and save $4.2m in cap space. I know it is rare to draft a center that early, however, Daniel Jeremiah ranks him as the 7th highest prospect in the entire draft. One can dream...

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I am 100% behind that plan

A scramble capable QB benefits from strong interior OL and can use his legs to compensate for weak OT play

You know what's even better? Keep Mack for another year at C, draft Linderbaum and start him at G unless Banks beats him out for that spot, let Banks and Moore be the primary backups at the G positions and Brunskill goes back to being the backup swing tackle. This allows Linderbaum to learn from Mack and replace him in 2023. Also in 2023, Banks and Moore then compete for the starting RG spot. Offensive line fixed for the foreseeable future.

Damn you beat me to it! I really want to see the O line sorted ready for Lance,

Agree!

I think John and Kyle drafted Moore to replace Tomlinson but Moore didn't show enough year 1 to make them feel confident in that decision, So now they will probally re-sign him.