OL Laken Tomlinson, signs with NYJ

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by thl408:
I need a, "Tomlinson was graded out as the 50th guard out of 70", or something like that. Someone that paid $200 for PFF, tell us what to think.

He graded 64th overall.

32 teams, 2 starting guards per team...that makes him the worst starting guard in the league. Or the best backup guard in the league.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Would have been nice if John Lynch would have spent some of the $50+ in cap room on some good free agent guards then wouldn't need to be trading for fizzled out 1st round picks. js

all the pro bowl guys were just lining up to play for the niners...come on, we were lucky to even get the FAs we got. good players dont want to play for a team that was 2-14 and all the issues we've had. it's gonna take a couple of years until we can get the big FAs.

Agreed, why use up your cap space that will roll over on a rebuild year? If we're looking at making a championship run in 3-4 years, why no save that space to make a move to put you over the top then, not now? If you're talking FA guards, those are guys on 2nd and 3rd contracts. Meaning, they're going to be 27-33 years old for the top tier guys. That means when you enter your championship run you'll have those guys coming to the tail end of their prime and nearing the end of contract years - that's the kind of ish WAS has been in and why they haven't been able to sign KC to a long term deal. They spent so heavily in FA and re-signing guys that they're low on space. How do you think we got Pierre Garcon? It also makes your window for a championship run much smaller. Why has SEA's been open for the past 4 years? Because they drafted most of their guys. They've only used trades and FA to get guys they think can put them over the top, like Jimmy Graham and Eddie Lacey. They've also let some of their guys who are getting up in age to walk in FA - like Bill Walsh used to do.

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Would have been nice if John Lynch would have spent some of the $50+ in cap room on some good free agent guards then wouldn't need to be trading for fizzled out 1st round picks. js

all the pro bowl guys were just lining up to play for the niners...come on, we were lucky to even get the FAs we got. good players dont want to play for a team that was 2-14 and all the issues we've had. it's gonna take a couple of years until we can get the big FAs.

I mean sus must be a GM for an NFL team, right? Because Lynch doesn't seem like he's trying at all.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

I think every team could probably always use more depth at tackle, but I'm not worried about Staley. There's no reason to believe that whatever injury he sustained in the Vikings game is serious. If they decided to bring on another guy for depth at tackle that would be fine, but we're probably not gonna get anyone that great at this point anyway, or at least no one good enough ease worries about Staley if there were any.

i get a bit nervous cuz it seems this year. and maybe its that way all the time with every team. when we say oh its a minor deal like with ward. and he will not miss the regular season.. all of a sudden it changes and we are looking at a worse situation than what we first were led to believe. if that makes sense

It does make sense. Ward's injury was a hamstring, and those have a tendency to linger. Staley's thing was with his knee and he was fine on the sideline and wanted to go back in the game.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by susweel:

Would have been nice if John Lynch would have spent some of the $50+ in cap room on some good free agent guards then wouldn't need to be trading for fizzled out 1st round picks. js

all the pro bowl guys were just lining up to play for the niners...come on, we were lucky to even get the FAs we got. good players dont want to play for a team that was 2-14 and all the issues we've had. it's gonna take a couple of years until we can get the big FAs.

Agreed, why use up your cap space that will roll over on a rebuild year? If we're looking at making a championship run in 3-4 years, why no save that space to make a move to put you over the top then, not now? If you're talking FA guards, those are guys on 2nd and 3rd contracts. Meaning, they're going to be 27-33 years old for the top tier guys. That means when you enter your championship run you'll have those guys coming to the tail end of their prime and nearing the end of contract years - that's the kind of ish WAS has been in and why they haven't been able to sign KC to a long term deal. They spent so heavily in FA and re-signing guys that they're low on space. How do you think we got Pierre Garcon? It also makes your window for a championship run much smaller. Why has SEA's been open for the past 4 years? Because they drafted most of their guys. They've only used trades and FA to get guys they think can put them over the top, like Jimmy Graham and Eddie Lacey. They've also let some of their guys who are getting up in age to walk in FA - like Bill Walsh used to do.

cciowa reading this like

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:

I think every team could probably always use more depth at tackle, but I'm not worried about Staley. There's no reason to believe that whatever injury he sustained in the Vikings game is serious. If they decided to bring on another guy for depth at tackle that would be fine, but we're probably not gonna get anyone that great at this point anyway, or at least no one good enough ease worries about Staley if there were any.

i get a bit nervous cuz it seems this year. and maybe its that way all the time with every team. when we say oh its a minor deal like with ward. and he will not miss the regular season.. all of a sudden it changes and we are looking at a worse situation than what we first were led to believe. if that makes sense

It does make sense. Ward's injury was a hamstring, and those have a tendency to linger. Staley's thing was with his knee and he was fine on the sideline and wanted to go back in the game.

Just tendonitis. Manageable with rest and medication.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Wow! They have been trying to get Beadles out of the starting lineup. LG?

...or RG for Fusco?

He is better than Fusco. That's all that matters.

To me, this speaks of a long-term trade thinking. I don't think they're picking him up because of Garnett or Fusco or even Beadles. ShanaLynch know this is a rebuild and have talked about knowing it's a rebuild and multi-year process. This more looks like an aggressive move to acquire a player they felt was on the bubble of another team who still has upside. They're treating him like a late round draft pick. He's got up to 3 more years on his contract and they obviously have had their eye out on other teams for possible upside talent that they can add to the team and see how they develop. This wasn't a deal to move the talent dial and make us competitive this year, IMO. I think it's a case where they know Beadles doesn't have a future here and they were on the lookout for a guy who has potential to fill that spot, is young and won't cost a lot for draft capital. Smart, sound move. I like it.

I agree. I think Mayhew has convinced ShanaLynch that he can play in Kyle's scheme. There is a place on the O Line for a powerful run blocker with some decent lateral athleticism. I don't think this trade is approved without Kyle's say so and input. The type of offensive scheme does play into the matter. It could be that he sees a lot of potential in Trent Brown as a mauler and if you put another mauler next to him, they would be more effective in the kinds of things that Kyle might like to try in the future. Also, it might speak to Carol's disappointing preseason. Are they trying to get more man type blockers for Carlos? If so, does that mean Carlos is here for the long haul, and it was the O Line that was the problem and not Carlos?

Dude must have really sucked to get traded in his third year. As long as he's not Marcus Martin or Chilo Rachal bad I'm ok with him.

Originally posted by PA9erFaithful:
It does make sense. Ward's injury was a hamstring, and those have a tendency to linger. Staley's thing was with his knee and he was fine on the sideline and wanted to go back in the game.

and the brown undisclosed thing to. i guess i will just take it at face value they will be ok for the regular season. just a titch troubling to me. good input PA

This really a low risk, high reward situation. Right now we are just renting him for a year to see what he can do his contract is not guaranteed for next season so we can get rid of him at pretty much no cost. Just because he didn't do well in Detroit means absolutely nothing to me. If you Fizzles out no big deal. If you can play and our scheme and responds well to our coaching we have a very nice young player.
To those that wanted to spend big free-agent money in year one of a rebuild are just crazy. Go back to playing Madden.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by TheHYDE49er:

Originally posted by susweel:
Would have been nice if John Lynch would have spent some of the $50+ in cap room on some good free agent guards then wouldn't need to be trading for fizzled out 1st round picks. js

all the pro bowl guys were just lining up to play for the niners...come on, we were lucky to even get the FAs we got. good players dont want to play for a team that was 2-14 and all the issues we've had. it's gonna take a couple of years until we can get the big FAs.

I mean sus must be a GM for an NFL team, right? Because Lynch doesn't seem like he's trying at all.

if we come out 0-7 to start the year with our o line getting abused and secondary getting torched. i hope you will remember that" this is a long term project., we are fine. we need to be patient", helps you sleep good at night

he's a 71 on Madden.........

Originally posted by NCommand:
Just tendonitis. Manageable with rest and medication.

just denial. manageable with rose colored glasses and kool aid

They are going to wash players through

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

meant more like player trades. Bibbs and Zuttah seemed like they were wastes, in hindsight.

The Bibbs trade wasn't even about Bibbs mainly. We got a 5th and Bibbs. Gave Denver a 2018 4th. With their 5th we got Trent Taylor. That was the real gem of the trade.