OL Laken Tomlinson, signs with NYJ

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Falcons acquired G/T Ty Sambrailo from the Broncos in exchange for a 2018 fifth-round pick.
A 2015 second-rounder, Sambrailo proved to be a massive bust in Denver. He opened 2015 as the starting left tackle but was abused so bad and benched after Week 3. He didn't prove to be any better at right tackle in 2016. Sambrailo could eventually be tried at right guard in Atlanta. The Falcons are set at their tackle spots with LT Jake Matthews and RT Ryan Schraeder.

Seems like the high draft pick oline "busts" are being traded for 5ths

I wouldn't be surprised if the Broncos tried to sell him to ShanaLynch. It looks like they are going after some promising 1st round busts. Tomlinson is essentially a 7th round draft pick in my eyes. I think he has the talent to play in Kyles run scheme, otherwise, he wouldn't be here. Now whether he really does well here is another issue. But I can see him as a possible promising center. They also did well this year with some of the undrafted O Linemen free agents. If Tomlinson doesn't work out, there is always going to be promising undrafted free agent O Linemen in next years off season cycle.

Originally posted by Jcool:

New #49ers offensive lineman @laken77 has reported to the team and passed his physical.

— Bob Lange (@49ersPR) September 1, 2017

Rock and roll.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

New #49ers offensive lineman @laken77 has reported to the team and passed his physical.

— Bob Lange (@49ersPR) September 1, 2017

Rock and roll.

I think RG does sound like the better spot for him. Could be cross trained at C as some of yall noted.

Heres an idea.. Goal line OL/TE special?
I mean for real i bet he can help open a hole within the 5

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

New #49ers offensive lineman @laken77 has reported to the team and passed his physical.

— Bob Lange (@49ersPR) September 1, 2017

Rock and roll.

coochie coo

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

New #49ers offensive lineman @laken77 has reported to the team and passed his physical.

— Bob Lange (@49ersPR) September 1, 2017

Rock and roll.

I think RG does sound like the better spot for him. Could be cross trained at C as some of yall noted.

Heres an idea.. Goal line OL/TE special?
I mean for real i bet he can help open a hole within the 5

One of the articles I read, said that Kyle is putting him as Backup Guard, and he said that his experience on both left and right guards is going to be important because he's the backup and needs to be able to play both positions if the starter is hurt. Kyle also thinks he still has a good upside and if the coaches here can develop that potential that they saw in him years ago when he first came out of college. I remember Kilgore as a practice squad player, and now look at him as a starter. Hopefully this guy is on the same trajectory.

Originally posted by Giedi:

One of the articles I read, said that Kyle is putting him as Backup Guard, and he said that his experience on both left and right guards is going to be important because he's the backup and needs to be able to play both positions if the starter is hurt. Kyle also thinks he still has a good upside and if the coaches here can develop that potential that they saw in him years ago when he first came out of college. I remember Kilgore as a practice squad player, and now look at him as a starter. Hopefully this guy is on the same trajectory.

Good show. By now i just go with the flow. These two guys have proven to me they know what they are doing, and if they make a mistake, they bite the bullet...Zut, for one, and you know the others. IF it's good by them, it's fine by me. I am convinced already about their talent evaluations. A lot of fans aren't, but i like their moves. Hated to see Brooks go but they know way better than i do, and that is position we were short in. If there is one pick i will wonder about it is Akhello. I hope he makes it, esp at the #3 pick, but we'll see. They like him...i suspect i will in time.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Good show. By now i just go with the flow. These two guys have proven to me they know what they are doing, and if they make a mistake, they bite the bullet...Zut, for one, and you know the others. IF it's good by them, it's fine by me. I am convinced already about their talent evaluations. A lot of fans aren't, but i like their moves. Hated to see Brooks go but they know way better than i do, and that is position we were short in. If there is one pick i will wonder about it is Akhello. I hope he makes it, esp at the #3 pick, but we'll see. They like him...i suspect i will in time.

Yep, that's one thing ShanaLynch seems to be (so far) good at. And that's talent evaluation. I think a big part of that is Kyle knows his offense and what it takes to make it work. He knows the kind of players he needs and wants. Other coaches - say like Nolan, or Singletary, who are offensively clueless - are really dependent on the OC knowing his job, and when that OC leaves, that particular version of the offense leaves the organization and the next guy comes in with different ideas and then next thing you know, that O Line that was perfect for OC 1 system now does not fit OC 2's offense. You lose a lot of draft capital that way.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Yep, that's one thing ShanaLynch seems to be (so far) good at. And that's talent evaluation. I think a big part of that is Kyle knows his offense and what it takes to make it work. He knows the kind of players he needs and wants. Other coaches - say like Nolan, or Singletary, who are offensively clueless - are really dependent on the OC knowing his job, and when that OC leaves, that particular version of the offense leaves the organization and the next guy comes in with different ideas and then next thing you know, that O Line that was perfect for OC 1 system now does not fit OC 2's offense. You lose a lot of draft capital that way.

And this is why, Giedi, the HC has to be an OC. Otherwise it ends up just as you said. You can't plan for the future because HCs are coming from the OCs, occasionally from the DCs. And when the guy moves on, to HC else where, you then have to totally reload your O players. It is the sine qua non of HCing. MUST BE an OC...or it screws you not just in playcalling, but worse, in drafting, FA ing. You expect your DC to say put. NOT OCs, however,.

Oh and Lake, we are looking forward to good things from you. Put out 110% and we will love you. We expect you to be sharp, heads up all the time, and play like the 9ers we all loved so well. Get drifty, don't pay attn, get lazy and you will be on outside looking in. We look forward toi cheering for you. Go 9ers.

He will be our starting LG In a month or so and hopefully long term. If he can become a player it will with Garnett looking a bust

Originally posted by StubbyNBY:

He will be our starting LG In a month or so and hopefully long term. If he can become a player it will with Garnett looking a bust

I would love to see Laken light it up, and really, hope he gets some #1 time here shortly, not waiting for a month to go by. I would like to see how he plays this game, not 4 games out. Sure lets see what we have all along the OL, and who of the OGs are starters and who are not. It would be nice to know from the gitgo, who our best OGs are....and then get them playing.

Based on what kyle and john have done to date, i bet we find out what Lake has sooner rather than later. If our OL doesn't bloc well from OG to OG, i look for changes THIS GAME, not waiting 4 games to try someone else. We know we have way better talent than last yr on OL. Now it is just a matter of finding out as fast as possible who should be starting....and who should be sitting.

Which way better talent are you referring to? Staley and brown here last year kilgore coming back from injury beadles in yet another scheme change. Line has had a hard time run blocking 2s and 3s this preseason. So im a little ? On the upgrade.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Yep, that's one thing ShanaLynch seems to be (so far) good at. And that's talent evaluation. I think a big part of that is Kyle knows his offense and what it takes to make it work. He knows the kind of players he needs and wants. Other coaches - say like Nolan, or Singletary, who are offensively clueless - are really dependent on the OC knowing his job, and when that OC leaves, that particular version of the offense leaves the organization and the next guy comes in with different ideas and then next thing you know, that O Line that was perfect for OC 1 system now does not fit OC 2's offense. You lose a lot of draft capital that way.

And this is why, Giedi, the HC has to be an OC. Otherwise it ends up just as you said. You can't plan for the future because HCs are coming from the OCs, occasionally from the DCs. And when the guy moves on, to HC else where, you then have to totally reload your O players. It is the sine qua non of HCing. MUST BE an OC...or it screws you not just in playcalling, but worse, in drafting, FA ing. You expect your DC to say put. NOT OCs, however,.

Except for how it's currently split almost right down the middle. 17 current NFL head coaches are former-OCs.

You could make the identical argument with "losing draft capital" on defense when an offensive-minded HC loses his DC, which the numbers suggest is just as common.

An outstanding HC can handle losing his coordinators. He'll find appropriate replacements. A weak HC (i.e. every coach we've had in the last 20 years, minus mooch & harbaugh) cannot. The facts suggest that background has little to do with it.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Which way better talent are you referring to? Staley and brown here last year kilgore coming back from injury beadles in yet another scheme change. Line has had a hard time run blocking 2s and 3s this preseason. So im a little ? On the upgrade.

Brodie, to start with, Trenton starts off the yr way better than he was at start of last yr. Joe remains the same, Kilgore we hope doesn't remain the same. With him, it was injury but also he could get bowled over at times, right up the gut. I hope he is at full good health and stays that way. We do have a potential gem in Magnuson, who has played C at Michigan...plus OG and OT....that is huge PLUS. We went backwards with Josh Garnett, obviously and we did have Zane start last yr. But as the yr went on, the OL got some better. Looking at the very few snaps they took on game day in PS, they look way, way better. Still, Trent missed an easy block and another time, didn't get off the ball on the snap and his man blew by him. But those were uncommon. He knows what he has to do but has a lot of learning with ZBS this yr. His pass blocking as you know is non-pareil. In fact the entire OL has put on great pass pro. Thank God.

So you are correct, 3/5 of the OL is the same most of the time, and 4/5 of last yr's OL is functional some of the time. JUst having played together is the biggest improvement, and that sure did look that way in the few PS game appearances. They just look to be bigger , faster, meaner, smarter, better overall, perhaps more confident is the term....with that one full yr of all playing together. Zane may be better this yr, but IDK there. Have not seen Laken film yet and am anxious to know what he can do. Meantime we got Fusco as a newbie, and there will be growing pains there.

The biggest one change is that we NEVER see the likes of devey--martin--pears again. Just having them on the squad was a downer. And if on the squad then there is the chance that you might just use those gruesome 3some, and at times, unfortunately, we did. With disastrous results. So those guys are gone forever, and we got new blood, which includes Gilliam and theus...who is essentially an unused returnee.

It isn't that we are better, it is also way more experience together, and finally we got a great HC and asst coaches, that will bring the OL along even more. The rotational , or backups have way more talent than the gruesome3 some. Way more. Laken, Magnus, Fusco...can't wait to see those guys play. My guess is we have talent there 100x better than the three departed OLs. Maybe even better than that. So yes, i am excited about the OL, but the ZBS...that will be a big challenge, esp for the bigger guys. Reminds, me, that we also have a potential find in Williams, OT on the PS. So not just better starting talent, but way better depth and the depth is good...to excellent. Lots to be thankful for, lots to be hopeful for. I will feel a lot better after seeing zane and fusco start, however.

And that, Brodie, is my way better talent. The OGs i admit i am not sure of, but talenwise they are miles better than our other 3, now gone.