OL Laken Tomlinson, signs with NYJ

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by dj43:

Richberg would be an instant fixture for the center of the line. He has a very low cap number now and will expect to get paid. NY only has a bit over $4million in cap space at present, although I expect to see them move a lot of dead wood. That team just doesn't have the fire power this year. I expect to see them clear $20+million in cap space next off-season, and do some re-loading.

I like Richburg but early indications coming out of NY are they'll do what they can to keep Richburg at the expense of letting Pugh walk.

Maybe Pugh could move to C?

I doubt it for two reasons.

1) There is a lot of responsibility to playing center in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Your taking a player who's never played center and putting him in the most demanding position on the oline in this offense.

2) Pugh is going to want to maximize his market value and right now even with Brandon Linder resetting the market there is a 2.5 mil per season difference between the top paid center and the top paid guard. Pugh will want to follow the money and he's not going to be cheap on the open market.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by dj43:

Richberg would be an instant fixture for the center of the line. He has a very low cap number now and will expect to get paid. NY only has a bit over $4million in cap space at present, although I expect to see them move a lot of dead wood. That team just doesn't have the fire power this year. I expect to see them clear $20+million in cap space next off-season, and do some re-loading.

I like Richburg but early indications coming out of NY are they'll do what they can to keep Richburg at the expense of letting Pugh walk.

Maybe Pugh could move to C?

I doubt it for two reasons.

1) There is a lot of responsibility to playing center in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Your taking a player who's never played center and putting him in the most demanding position on the oline in this offense.

2) Pugh is going to want to maximize his market value and right now even with Brandon Linder resetting the market there is a 2.5 mil per season difference between the top paid center and the top paid guard. Pugh will want to follow the money and he's not going to be cheap on the open market.

Sounds like its veteran C or bust and OG in the draft with Laken and JoshG in the mix. Obviously please believe we wont hesitate to get two veteran OL if they think thats what they have to do.

Originally posted by dj43:

Agree.

OLT is still the premium position because it's the blind side, however, good defenses have guys that they can move around to take advantage of a RT that may not be as adept at pass pro.

Leave Brown where he is and draft a replacement for Staley. I'm worried about him. He doesn't seem to have quite the quickness he did in the past. Shanahan also noted that he has some "wear and tear" on his knees. That is a tell-tale sign as far as I'm concerned. Let's hope he can get us through this season.

Yeah, Staley gave up 2 sacks. One to Bennett and one to Clark on a near safety. He took the outside guy and let the inside guy come clean. He also got beat badly inside by Richardson that decapitated Hoyer and almost took out Trenton Brown. How did he get an 86.8 grade? These PFF grades are a damn joke.


That said, the errors seemed more mental than physical and may have been miscommunication with having a new LG next to him.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

I like Richburg but early indications coming out of NY are they'll do what they can to keep Richburg at the expense of letting Pugh walk.

Reports are they have no money and they're talking about signing OBJ...that s**t isn't gonna be free lol.

If I'm richburg I'm gonna taste FA before signing anything.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

I doubt it for two reasons.

1) There is a lot of responsibility to playing center in Kyle Shanahan's offense. Your taking a player who's never played center and putting him in the most demanding position on the oline in this offense.

2) Pugh is going to want to maximize his market value and right now even with Brandon Linder resetting the market there is a 2.5 mil per season difference between the top paid center and the top paid guard. Pugh will want to follow the money and he's not going to be cheap on the open market.

Pugh is also playing RT for them right now, so figuring out what his market is will be tough (think of the dude in Oakland getting $10 million a yr).

It would be cheaper for them to resign richburg, but he might want to test the waters.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by dj43:
He was OK in pass protection but was getting rag-dolled much of the time on run plays.

It is impossible to know about protection calls but it seemed the calls were not correct at times.

considering the facts and circumstances:

1) He faced a terrific seattle interior linemen
2) His first start with the team was in noisy seattle
3) He was named starter shorter than a week
4) He was pretty good

So I would say that he did more than ok.

I was talking about Kilgore. I think you are referring to Tomlinson.

Tomlinson did very well. particularly considering the things you cite.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by dj43:
Richberg would be an instant fixture for the center of the line. He has a very low cap number now and will expect to get paid. NY only has a bit over $4million in cap space at present, although I expect to see them move a lot of dead wood. That team just doesn't have the fire power this year. I expect to see them clear $20+million in cap space next off-season, and do some re-loading.

I like Richburg but early indications coming out of NY are they'll do what they can to keep Richburg at the expense of letting Pugh walk.

I'm certain NY will try to keep him. OTOH, Kyle has seen personally how much a top-tier center can do for the running game. Alex Mack changed everything about their run game. For that reason, I would expect Lynch to throw major cash at Richberg if he is at all interested in coming here.

FWIW, I see the Giants as a team in decline while the 49ers are on the rise. Of course a lot will depend on what happens the rest of the season...

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
Agree.

OLT is still the premium position because it's the blind side, however, good defenses have guys that they can move around to take advantage of a RT that may not be as adept at pass pro.

Leave Brown where he is and draft a replacement for Staley. I'm worried about him. He doesn't seem to have quite the quickness he did in the past. Shanahan also noted that he has some "wear and tear" on his knees. That is a tell-tale sign as far as I'm concerned. Let's hope he can get us through this season.

Yeah, Staley gave up 2 sacks. One to Bennett and one to Clark on a near safety. He took the outside guy and let the inside guy come clean. He also got beat badly inside by Richardson that decapitated Hoyer and almost took out Trenton Brown. How did he get an 86.8 grade? These PFF grades are a damn joke.

That said, the errors seemed more mental than physical and may have been miscommunication with having a new LG next to him.

In looking at that play, it seems it may have been a missed call, or a wrong call on the assignments. It would be very unlike Staley to ignore the inside man on pass pro, IDK.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Reports are they have no money and they're talking about signing OBJ...that s**t isn't gonna be free lol.

If I'm richburg I'm gonna taste FA before signing anything.

Right now the Giants are projecting to have close to 30 mil in cap room. That is before they try any restructures or releases to clear more. The last reports I read were Pugh is going to want top five guard type money. Osemele was able to corral his versatility into a nice pay day. I seriously doubt Pugh gets that kind of dough were he becomes the league's highest paid guard but you never know in free agency either. The last thing I saw is if the team has to decide between Pugh and Richburg they'll pay Richburg because the feeling is Pugh will command the bigger pay day between the two.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Right now the Giants are projecting to have close to 30 mil in cap room. That is before they try any restructures or releases to clear more. The last reports I read were Pugh is going to want top five guard type money. Osemele was able to corral his versatility into a nice pay day. I seriously doubt Pugh gets that kind of dough were he becomes the league's highest paid guard but you never know in free agency either. The last thing I saw is if the team has to decide between Pugh and Richburg they'll pay Richburg because the feeling is Pugh will command the bigger pay day between the two.

Yeah I agree with that...NY is gonna be in the market for a LT and possibly a OG/RT if Pugh leaves because that's his current role on the team, flowers blows.

End of the day what's more important a guy who a top 5 OG and can play RT or a center like you said money might determine that... also $30 million isn't a lot if your looking to make OBJ one of the highest paid players in football, that's gonna take up at the lest half that cap space.

I'd have to look at their cap next yr and see who's gonna get cut, but I wouldn't be surprised if both guys test the market (I don't think they'll tag either guy).

I'll add they're gonna have to pay Collins very soon, he's gonna be the highest paid safety in the league without question.

Can't keep them all

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Right now the Giants are projecting to have close to 30 mil in cap room. That is before they try any restructures or releases to clear more. The last reports I read were Pugh is going to want top five guard type money. Osemele was able to corral his versatility into a nice pay day. I seriously doubt Pugh gets that kind of dough were he becomes the league's highest paid guard but you never know in free agency either. The last thing I saw is if the team has to decide between Pugh and Richburg they'll pay Richburg because the feeling is Pugh will command the bigger pay day between the two.

Yeah I agree with that...NY is gonna be in the market for a LT and possibly a OG/RT if Pugh leaves because that's his current role on the team, flowers blows.

End of the day what's more important a guy who a top 5 OG and can play RT or a center like you said money might determine that... also $30 million isn't a lot if your looking to make OBJ one of the highest paid players in football, that's gonna take up at the lest half that cap space.

I'd have to look at their cap next yr and see who's gonna get cut, but I wouldn't be surprised if both guys test the market (I don't think they'll tag either guy).

I'll add they're gonna have to pay Collins very soon, he's gonna be the highest paid safety in the league without question.

Can't keep them all

30 mil is a decent starting point. Some people act like their going into next season with like 10 mil (not necessarily you). We'll see who they cut and restructure but it's possible for teams to clear 20 mil if they play their cards right.

Per their gm the team has had internal discussions about extending them both but that seems more like taking a political pr high road stance. I don't see how they'd be able to lock them both up and pay OBJ as the top receiver in the game.

As far as Pugh or Richburg? I guess that will depend on how well Pugh plays tackle this season. We already know he's a good guard but if he stinks it up at tackle then he loses some of his leverage. What we know about Richburg is he's one of the better rising centers in the league right now. Alex Mack showed just what a great center can do for an oline. Pre snap line protections are a very underrated part of the center's job.

Either way the Giants have an aging qb and some tough decisions coming up. On this side of the fence, it's nice to be sitting on over 100 mil next year.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:
30 mil is a decent starting point. Some people act like their going into next season with like 10 mil (not necessarily you). We'll see who they cut and restructure but it's possible for teams to clear 20 mil if they play their cards right.

Per their gm the team has had internal discussions about extending them both but that seems more like taking a political pr high road stance. I don't see how they'd be able to lock them both up and pay OBJ as the top receiver in the game.

As far as Pugh or Richburg? I guess that will depend on how well Pugh plays tackle this season. We already know he's a good guard but if he stinks it up at tackle then he loses some of his leverage. What we know about Richburg is he's one of the better rising centers in the league right now. Alex Mack showed just what a great center can do for an oline. Pre snap line protections are a very underrated part of the center's job.

Either way the Giants have an aging qb and some tough decisions coming up. On this side of the fence, it's nice to be sitting on over 100 mil next year.

yup agreed with everything...quick glace at their cap space and the only real guy I see that could get cut that is on the high end is DRC (save $6 million). Collins is gonna want Eric Berry money after 2018 which HAS to be thought about. OBJ is gonna want more than AB and Hopkins and will get it more than likely he's gonna be the first $100 million WR I'm betting on that lol.

Plus those guys are always dipping into FA.

I want Richburg over Pugh but we will see.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:
Agree.

OLT is still the premium position because it's the blind side, however, good defenses have guys that they can move around to take advantage of a RT that may not be as adept at pass pro.

Leave Brown where he is and draft a replacement for Staley. I'm worried about him. He doesn't seem to have quite the quickness he did in the past. Shanahan also noted that he has some "wear and tear" on his knees. That is a tell-tale sign as far as I'm concerned. Let's hope he can get us through this season.

Yeah, Staley gave up 2 sacks. One to Bennett and one to Clark on a near safety. He took the outside guy and let the inside guy come clean. He also got beat badly inside by Richardson that decapitated Hoyer and almost took out Trenton Brown. How did he get an 86.8 grade? These PFF grades are a damn joke.

That said, the errors seemed more mental than physical and may have been miscommunication with having a new LG next to him.

On that play for the near sack, it was on Kilgore. He must've called a slide the wrong way - the OL slid away from the blitz and after the play Staley turned to him and was pointing over on that side with both arms out. Sure signs of a bad center call.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by dj43:

Agree.

OLT is still the premium position because it's the blind side, however, good defenses have guys that they can move around to take advantage of a RT that may not be as adept at pass pro.

Leave Brown where he is and draft a replacement for Staley. I'm worried about him. He doesn't seem to have quite the quickness he did in the past. Shanahan also noted that he has some "wear and tear" on his knees. That is a tell-tale sign as far as I'm concerned. Let's hope he can get us through this season.

Yeah, Staley gave up 2 sacks. One to Bennett and one to Clark on a near safety. He took the outside guy and let the inside guy come clean. He also got beat badly inside by Richardson that decapitated Hoyer and almost took out Trenton Brown. How did he get an 86.8 grade? These PFF grades are a damn joke.

That said, the errors seemed more mental than physical and may have been miscommunication with having a new LG next to him.

On that play for the near sack, it was on Kilgore. He must've called a slide the wrong way - the OL slid away from the blitz and after the play Staley turned to him and was pointing over on that side with both arms out. Sure signs of a bad center call.

Kilgore

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

30 mil is a decent starting point. Some people act like their going into next season with like 10 mil (not necessarily you). We'll see who they cut and restructure but it's possible for teams to clear 20 mil if they play their cards right.

Per their gm the team has had internal discussions about extending them both but that seems more like taking a political pr high road stance. I don't see how they'd be able to lock them both up and pay OBJ as the top receiver in the game.

As far as Pugh or Richburg? I guess that will depend on how well Pugh plays tackle this season. We already know he's a good guard but if he stinks it up at tackle then he loses some of his leverage. What we know about Richburg is he's one of the better rising centers in the league right now. Alex Mack showed just what a great center can do for an oline. Pre snap line protections are a very underrated part of the center's job.

Either way the Giants have an aging qb and some tough decisions coming up. On this side of the fence, it's nice to be sitting on over 100 mil next year.

yup agreed with everything...quick glace at their cap space and the only real guy I see that could get cut that is on the high end is DRC (save $6 million). Collins is gonna want Eric Berry money after 2018 which HAS to be thought about. OBJ is gonna want more than AB and Hopkins and will get it more than likely he's gonna be the first $100 million WR I'm betting on that lol.

Plus those guys are always dipping into FA.

I want Richburg over Pugh but we will see.

Same.

The center is such a vital part of this offense. Kilgore is serviceable but far from a long term fixture.