OL Laken Tomlinson, signs with NYJ

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Man is that hard to watch. So glad he is adios. He organized the talent that was here but that was about it. Kyle is everything he wasn't.

You're glad we lost our first winning coach since Mooch, a guy whose departure set off a decade of losing.

Kyle has done jack s**t so far to merit even a passing comparison to Harbaugh.

To press this point even further...before lucking into Garoppolo, what was Kyle's record? I'd say all of Jimmy G's wins were more because of Jimmy G and less because of Kyle's offensive "genius". Oh yeah....here's another hypothetical, give Harbaugh a QB like Jimmy G...what happens? We'll never know.

Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jcs:
F Jim Harbaugh and his .695 win percentage

the web zone eats its own. i had no issue with him going but they had no plan after which was the worse. tried to have a open mind with jt that lasted two games. lets see what kyle does in the same time frame as jh did before we can vault kyle to the third best coach in niner history behind bill and george

I agree with the bold. That was my biggest issue.

I also agree with NC in that the talent level JH walked into was on a different level then what Kyle had.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

LOL...really? Had JH stayed his 4-year winning % would have tanked no matter how good a HC he was.

Let's wait until both coaches have similar talent levels before we start to compare apples to apples.

We're getting there much quicker than I could have imagined but not there yet.

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jcs:
F Jim Harbaugh and his .695 win percentage

the web zone eats its own. i had no issue with him going but they had no plan after which was the worse. tried to have a open mind with jt that lasted two games. lets see what kyle does in the same time frame as jh did before we can vault kyle to the third best coach in niner history behind bill and george

I agree with the bold. That was my biggest issue.

I also agree with NC in that the talent level JH walked into was on a different level then what Kyle had.

talent level thanks to Scott McCloughan not Trent Balke lets be clear about that lol !!!!

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jcs:
F Jim Harbaugh and his .695 win percentage

the web zone eats its own. i had no issue with him going but they had no plan after which was the worse. tried to have a open mind with jt that lasted two games. lets see what kyle does in the same time frame as jh did before we can vault kyle to the third best coach in niner history behind bill and george

I agree with the bold. That was my biggest issue.

I also agree with NC in that the talent level JH walked into was on a different level then what Kyle had.

talent level thanks to Scott McCloughan not Trent Balke lets be clear about that lol !!!!

Baalke's 2011 draft (talent-wise) wasn't too shabby. His 2012 draft was one of the worst I've ever seen...you can't miss on a whole draft

Scott's 2008 & 2009 drafts were straight trash...if we're gonna give him all the credit for the good, he's gotta take the bad ones as well.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Good post. I agree, yet I was ready for Harbaugh to move on - got very tired of his act/antics (the players probably did, too). The biggest problem for me was the lack of a quality successor at HC...this was the big fail IMO.

Harbaugh did a lot to help turn this franchise around; however, part of being a great HC is the ability to work well with others around you (especially the GM and ownership) and have staying power to keep building and achieving. I remember stories about friction at times between Walsh and Eddie D...more recently, Belichick and Kraft, etc., etc., yet they and so many others have worked through it and were able to coexist to build upon their successes. Living here in the Bay Area, I've heard more and more about Harbaugh and his quirky and unreasonable ways from people that know him or are/were somehow tied to him...you know it probably can't all be true. Regardless, he's in the past now and I'm really looking forward to Year 2 with Shanahan at HC and Lynch at GM.

About Tomlinson, if he continues to improve at LG in this scheme, that side of the line is going to be pretty formidable - especially with Richburg making the calls at C.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by jcs:
F Jim Harbaugh and his .695 win percentage

the web zone eats its own. i had no issue with him going but they had no plan after which was the worse. tried to have a open mind with jt that lasted two games. lets see what kyle does in the same time frame as jh did before we can vault kyle to the third best coach in niner history behind bill and george

I agree with the bold. That was my biggest issue.

I also agree with NC in that the talent level JH walked into was on a different level then what Kyle had.

talent level thanks to Scott McCloughan not Trent Balke lets be clear about that lol !!!!

Baalke's 2011 draft (talent-wise) wasn't too shabby. His 2012 draft was one of the worst I've ever seen...you can't miss on a whole draft

Scott's 2008 & 2009 drafts were straight trash...if we're gonna give him all the credit for the good, he's gotta take the bad ones as well.

just saying that the talent that Harbaugh had was mostly due to McCloughan not Balke. Not saying McCloughan was McVay or Walsh or anything like that

So random that this is the thread to re-visit the Harbaugh/Baalke days.

Originally posted by RonMexico:
scheme fit
hard worker
continuing to improve
see how Jimmy G makes him look

=how to defend below average players being given millions

Exactly. Funny how people said Will Hernandez and Quentin Nelson were too slow to fit in but once we resign a slower Laken, he's a perfect fit for the scheme.

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
scheme fit
hard worker
continuing to improve
see how Jimmy G makes him look

=how to defend below average players being given millions

Exactly. Funny how people said Will Hernandez and Quentin Nelson were too slow to fit in but once we resign a slower Laken, he's a perfect fit for the scheme.

I mean I think it's silly for anyone to think Nelson couldn't have played here...dude is a straight stud. I get not wanting to invest a top 5 pick though. Laken IMO isn't a perfect scheme fit but did improve as the season went on. He has lost about 15+ LBs since his combine (not sure what he was in Detroit)...we will see how the season goes, I'm cool with giving him some cash if he plays like he did towards the end of the yr. It's not back breaking money at all.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I agree with the bold. That was my biggest issue.

I also agree with NC in that the talent level JH walked into was on a different level then what Kyle had.

like mooch.. fine.mooch went into a fetal position vs tampa.. fire him.. good.. but jesus to not have a plan to bring someone in as good or better.. our team does that so much. hope they finally got it right here

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I agree with the bold. That was my biggest issue.

I also agree with NC in that the talent level JH walked into was on a different level then what Kyle had.

totally true

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
scheme fit
hard worker
continuing to improve
see how Jimmy G makes him look

=how to defend below average players being given millions

Exactly. Funny how people said Will Hernandez and Quentin Nelson were too slow to fit in but once we resign a slower Laken, he's a perfect fit for the scheme.

From an article in the news feed today:

"Tomlinson was a consensus first-team All-America guard for Duke when he entered the NFL in 2015, but his play with the Lions was uneven. In 2017, however, his play with the 49ers improved, especially late in the season. The analytic website Pro Football Focus graded Tomlinson's play over the final two games of the regular season as being outstanding. Against the Rams in a season-closing 49ers victory, Tomlinson didn't allow a single quarterback pressure and was named to PFF's all-NFL team that week.

Wrote PFF after that game: "Tomlinson has had a largely uninspiring season with the 49ers, but he has ended it on a high note with back-to-back strong games. This was his best game of the season, even if it was against a Rams defense that was without its best player. Tomlinson didn't allow any pressures in the game, marking the second game of the season with a perfect day in pass protection, and was impressive as a run blocker, putting down tape that will give him a shot at manning the position long term."

I am certainly willing to admit that the jury is still out on Tomlinson until he puts together a whole season of consistent play against the opponent's first stringers but the team clearly felt better about its situation at guard then it did at tackle going into the draft which was why McGlinchey was the pick and not someone else.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Get facts straight? Are you trying to say the 1-10 before going 5-0 doesn't count? Even without Jimmy a lot of those games were winnable. Fact is Shanahan went 6-10 his first season, cant get anymore straight than that.

You have a bad habit of putting words in peoples mouths, I never mentioned anything about the talent level of either team

But even if you look back to Harbaughs first season, most experts projected the 49ers to go 3-13 not 13-3. So obviously at the time the 49ers talent level was not thought too highly of.

You take 6-10 (1-10 w/o jimmy) Shanahan, those x's and o's certainly didnt help without Jimmy G. It was looking like an 0-16 season until he showed up.