OL Laken Tomlinson, signs with NYJ

I can confirm that Cooper's $2M base is GTD, as I know some weren't sure and thought he'd be cut, now It's highly unlikely he's cut, $4.475M in dead money with Workout bonus earned too.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Get facts straight? Are you trying to say the 1-10 before going 5-0 doesn't count? Even without Jimmy a lot of those games were winnable. Fact is Shanahan went 6-10 his first season, cant get anymore straight than that.

You have a bad habit of putting words in peoples mouths, I never mentioned anything about the talent level of either team

But even if you look back to Harbaughs first season, most experts projected the 49ers to go 3-13 not 13-3. So obviously at the time the 49ers talent level was not thought too highly of.

You take 6-10 (1-10 w/o jimmy) Shanahan, those x's and o's certainly didnt help without Jimmy G. It was looking like an 0-16 season until he showed up.

damn GM is probably the most unknowledgeable one here or just trying to incite

Harbuaghs first year was talent less lol that is a good one (do you even know how many #1 picks we had playing for us..guess not

Originally posted by cciowa:
like mooch.. fine.mooch went into a fetal position vs tampa.. fire him.. good.. but jesus to not have a plan to bring someone in as good or better.. our team does that so much. hope they finally got it right here

That game pissed me off so much

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Get facts straight? Are you trying to say the 1-10 before going 5-0 doesn't count? Even without Jimmy a lot of those games were winnable. Fact is Shanahan went 6-10 his first season, cant get anymore straight than that.

You have a bad habit of putting words in peoples mouths, I never mentioned anything about the talent level of either team

But even if you look back to Harbaughs first season, most experts projected the 49ers to go 3-13 not 13-3. So obviously at the time the 49ers talent level was not thought too highly of.

You take 6-10 (1-10 w/o jimmy) Shanahan, those x's and o's certainly didnt help without Jimmy G. It was looking like an 0-16 season until he showed up.

I read your comment wrong I thought you said went 6-10 even with jimmy...my bad there.

You're last take with saying "49ers talent level was not thought too highly of" is silly. It was littered with high end draft picks and solid vets...I never said harbs was a horrible coach, he coached up quality talent and surrounded himself with good coaching. BUT his "who's got it better than us" stuff gets old with grown ass men. College is perfect for him IMO, I didn't want him fired but I understood why...I was more pissed that they replaced him with junk.

Honestly it's two totally different situations (between Kyle and JH) and needs to be looked at like that.

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

scheme fit
hard worker
continuing to improve
see how Jimmy G makes him look

=how to defend below average players being given millions

Exactly. Funny how people said Will Hernandez and Quentin Nelson were too slow to fit in but once we resign a slower Laken, he's a perfect fit for the scheme.

My favorite posters on here state:
There were no pass rushers in this draft, and this draft as a whole sucked...

And those same posters state:
My god, he's a rookie, or in his 1st or 2nd year.. people need to give these kids to develop to see if they will turn into a good player...

So which is it? These fortune tellers know this draft sucked or are suppose to wait to see if some of these players develop?

Seems they are coming up with Whichever narrative they are tying to fit,

Personally I don't give a rats ass which side of the fence people are on, but those same people need to back off others with different opinions.

Drafts are hit and miss.
Players are developed at the mercy of the coaches
Some need time to develop
Some don't

No one is 💯 % wrong and no one is 💯 % right

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Get facts straight? Are you trying to say the 1-10 before going 5-0 doesn't count? Even without Jimmy a lot of those games were winnable. Fact is Shanahan went 6-10 his first season, cant get anymore straight than that.

You have a bad habit of putting words in peoples mouths, I never mentioned anything about the talent level of either team

But even if you look back to Harbaughs first season, most experts projected the 49ers to go 3-13 not 13-3. So obviously at the time the 49ers talent level was not thought too highly of.

You take 6-10 (1-10 w/o jimmy) Shanahan, those x's and o's certainly didnt help without Jimmy G. It was looking like an 0-16 season until he showed up.

damn GM is probably the most unknowledgeable one here or just trying to incite

Harbuaghs first year was talent less lol that is a good one (do you even know how many #1 picks we had playing for us..guess not

THIS

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Get facts straight? Are you trying to say the 1-10 before going 5-0 doesn't count? Even without Jimmy a lot of those games were winnable. Fact is Shanahan went 6-10 his first season, cant get anymore straight than that.

You have a bad habit of putting words in peoples mouths, I never mentioned anything about the talent level of either team

But even if you look back to Harbaughs first season, most experts projected the 49ers to go 3-13 not 13-3. So obviously at the time the 49ers talent level was not thought too highly of.

You take 6-10 (1-10 w/o jimmy) Shanahan, those x's and o's certainly didnt help without Jimmy G. It was looking like an 0-16 season until he showed up.

damn GM is probably the most unknowledgeable one here or just trying to incite

Harbuaghs first year was talent less lol that is a good one (do you even know how many #1 picks we had playing for us..guess not

How many 1st round picks are on this team now?
We may have more now then we had back then.

It was a shortened offseason when Jim h. Came aboard and no one expected a 10 win team.
Go back and read articles.
"49ers have some talent but are a few years away from competing" was the general reporting consensus back then.. but we can take that with a grain of salt also.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Get facts straight? Are you trying to say the 1-10 before going 5-0 doesn't count? Even without Jimmy a lot of those games were winnable. Fact is Shanahan went 6-10 his first season, cant get anymore straight than that.

You have a bad habit of putting words in peoples mouths, I never mentioned anything about the talent level of either team

But even if you look back to Harbaughs first season, most experts projected the 49ers to go 3-13 not 13-3. So obviously at the time the 49ers talent level was not thought too highly of.

You take 6-10 (1-10 w/o jimmy) Shanahan, those x's and o's certainly didnt help without Jimmy G. It was looking like an 0-16 season until he showed up.

damn GM is probably the most unknowledgeable one here or just trying to incite

Harbuaghs first year was talent less lol that is a good one (do you even know how many #1 picks we had playing for us..guess not

How many 1st round picks are on this team now?
We may have more now then we had back then.

It was a shortened offseason when Jim h. Came aboard and no one expected a 10 win team.
Go back and read articles.
"49ers have some talent but are a few years away from competing" was the general reporting consensus back then.. but we can take that with a grain of salt also.

the only knock was that no first year coach wins a lot. We might be on our way to having a lot of first rounders again. Things just go in cycles and we are moving up

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

the only knock was that no first year coach wins a lot. We might be on our way to having a lot of first rounders again. Things just go in cycles and we are moving up

Yea I'm excited for this year. Trying to temper my expectations, but it's tough

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

I can confirm that Cooper's $2M base is GTD, as I know some weren't sure and thought he'd be cut, now It's highly unlikely he's cut, $4.475M in dead money with Workout bonus earned too.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
the only knock was that no first year coach wins a lot. We might be on our way to having a lot of first rounders again. Things just go in cycles and we are moving up

Yea I'm excited for this year. Trying to temper my expectations, but it's tough

we 9er fans have so much PTSD lol

i'm trying not to get too excited as well

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

Actually Kyle went 5-0 with Jimmy G...get the facts straight at least lol. If you think Harb's team was on the same level talent-wise when he showed up vs Kyle's then you're being straight up naive.

I sure as s**t didn't want Harbs gone (and replaced with dog s**t for two yrs)...I did think he's shtick was getting old after a couple yrs. IMO his mentality is one of a college HC. He needs fresh players every couple yrs to give his who's got it better than us stuff. I also think he's a great recruiter....perfect for college

I'll take Kyle's Xs and Os and the way he approaches the NFL game over Jim any day.

Get facts straight? Are you trying to say the 1-10 before going 5-0 doesn't count? Even without Jimmy a lot of those games were winnable. Fact is Shanahan went 6-10 his first season, cant get anymore straight than that.

You have a bad habit of putting words in peoples mouths, I never mentioned anything about the talent level of either team

But even if you look back to Harbaughs first season, most experts projected the 49ers to go 3-13 not 13-3. So obviously at the time the 49ers talent level was not thought too highly of.

You take 6-10 (1-10 w/o jimmy) Shanahan, those x's and o's certainly didnt help without Jimmy G. It was looking like an 0-16 season until he showed up.

damn GM is probably the most unknowledgeable one here or just trying to incite

Harbuaghs first year was talent less lol that is a good one (do you even know how many #1 picks we had playing for us..guess not

How many 1st round picks are on this team now?
We may have more now then we had back then.

It was a shortened offseason when Jim h. Came aboard and no one expected a 10 win team.
Go back and read articles.
"49ers have some talent but are a few years away from competing" was the general reporting consensus back then.. but we can take that with a grain of salt also.

most years you can say an NFL team which hasn't done much as of late will be a few years from competing. In the Niners case, in 2011, I believe most Niner fans that paid attention to the team believed we had good talent but needed a coach to put it together. As in any year, most national pundits never see a team coming on as we did in 2011. The Eagles are a good example of how teams can turn the tide in any given year. People thought the eagles had talent , but not many people saw a super bowl run. The exciting thing about the Niners is you can see the overall picture of what Shanahan has in mind coming into view. We may need pieces here or there but were certainly not what we were at this time last year and we have time and money on our side. I'm sure not many in here see a super bowl this year, but were a hellava lot closer than we were.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Man is that hard to watch. So glad he is adios. He organized the talent that was here but that was about it. Kyle is everything he wasn't.

You're glad we lost our first winning coach since Mooch, a guy whose departure set off a decade of losing.

Kyle has done jack s**t so far to merit even a passing comparison to Harbaugh.

To press this point even further...before lucking into Garoppolo, what was Kyle's record? I'd say all of Jimmy G's wins were more because of Jimmy G and less because of Kyle's offensive "genius". Oh yeah....here's another hypothetical, give Harbaugh a QB like Jimmy G...what happens? We'll never know.

Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

So many people moaning and whining, would they really want an abysmal offense under Harbs, and a horrible GM in Baalke, who alienated the team, coaches, players, fans, etc..... I'll keep Kyle, Lynch and company, much happier with this offense.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by kray28:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Man is that hard to watch. So glad he is adios. He organized the talent that was here but that was about it. Kyle is everything he wasn't.

You're glad we lost our first winning coach since Mooch, a guy whose departure set off a decade of losing.

Kyle has done jack s**t so far to merit even a passing comparison to Harbaugh.

To press this point even further...before lucking into Garoppolo, what was Kyle's record? I'd say all of Jimmy G's wins were more because of Jimmy G and less because of Kyle's offensive "genius". Oh yeah....here's another hypothetical, give Harbaugh a QB like Jimmy G...what happens? We'll never know.

Same Tomsula logic that typically floats around this board.

Kyle is everything Harbaugh wasnt? He certainly isnt a winner yet, Harbaugh never went 6-10 without Jimmy G and with a garbage GM.

So many people moaning and whining, would they really want an abysmal offense under Harbs, and a horrible GM in Baalke, who alienated the team, coaches, players, fans, etc..... I'll keep Kyle, Lynch and company, much happier with this offense.

I'll agree that KS's offense looks prettier but lets compare numbers for first seasons...

JH Offense ranked 11th in the NFL. His offense scored 18 passing TD's, 14 Rushing TD's to just 10 Turnovers. Total Passing Yards were 2,930. Total Rushing Yards 2,044.
KS Offense ranked 20th in the NFL. His offense Scored 15 passing TD's, 15 Rushing TD's to just 23 Turnovers. Total Passing Yards were 3,925. Total Rushing Yards 1,622.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
So many people moaning and whining, would they really want an abysmal offense under Harbs, and a horrible GM in Baalke, who alienated the team, coaches, players, fans, etc..... I'll keep Kyle, Lynch and company, much happier with this offense.

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