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Originally posted by Heroism:
Saquon Barkley Is the Future of the NFL

The Titans, built sturdy and tough up front, rushed for 195 yards on the vaunted Seahawks defense on Sunday. The Ravens spent the last two offseason getting younger and quicker on defense, and that group kept the Bengals and Browns out of the end zone in Weeks 1 and 2. Then in London, a Jaguars offense reworked this offseason with size in mind ran for 166 yards on them.

This is how the NFL works. Teams spent the last decade building around quarterbacks and receivers, and defenses are now stocked with 220-pound linebackers and 250-pound pass rushers. And now we're getting the zig to that zag—personnel czars like Jacksonville's Tom Coughlin and Tennessee's Jon Robinson capitalized by building jackhammer offenses to run at those defenses, while creating better environments for their young QBs.

"That's been going on since the 1970s," said one NFC personnel exec. "It's not a new trend, it's the same cycle. New people rise in the football world, history repeats itself."

Enter Saquon Barkley. In the four drafts between 2011 and '14, only one running back, Alabama's Trent Richardson, went in the top half of the first round. In the last three drafts, five tailbacks—Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey—have gone within the top 16 picks. And Barkley might be better than any of them.

Moreover, he's coming along at the right time. Teams are considering retro looks offensively, which can prop up young quarterbacks, help the defense, and exploit opponents built to combat high-end passing attacks. So where the value of running backs may have recently declined, it seems now demand for a 230-pound, three-down, 21st-century style bellcow, a la Elliott or Joe Mixon, is on the rise.

"You can build an offense around him," said one AFC exec of Barkley. "He's so f---ing good. Zeke is solid in all areas. Fournette is a special athlete for the position. This kid? He's way better than both of them . . . He's a step above Zeke in all categories, and has much better hands and feet and vision than Fournette does. He's special. I haven't seen a better college football player."

"When I first saw Zeke, it was his explosion from the line to the second level that was rare, and Saquon's is probably a little better," said another NFC personnel director. "There's something different about this guy, he has rare things about him—his explosion, his balance, his vision, his ability to cut laterally. Someone hits him and he lands on his feet. And he's tougher than s---. He steps up in pass protection."

What we all saw on Saturday, in a game that Penn State seemed to be in the process of blowing at Iowa, was the virtual trailer to what Barkley could be at the next level. He ripped through the Hawkeyes defense for 211 yards and a touchdown on 28 carries, and caught 12 balls for 94 yards, and returned for three kicks for 53 yards. His fourth-quarter hurdle of Iowa corner Josh Jackson to convert a third-and-6 was a moment you'll see replayed a ton in March and April. There wasn't a moment when there was any doubt who the best player on the field was.

So there's a better than good chance that there will an NFL offense built around the true junior at this time next year, the same way Elliott had an offense built around him as a rookie last year. That Barkley could be better than the league's reigning rushing champion makes this one even more interesting. And how a retro-minded team might view him as a true centerpiece adds another layer.

"If you look you at it from our perspective, the ideal back today has to be able to do everything," said an AFC college scouting director. "There's not great value in the first- and second-down back anymore, or a guy who's just a third-down scatback. You want a guy who does everything. And that's Zeke, it's Mixon, and it's Saquon Barkley."

The last time a running back went first overall was in 1995, and it was another Penn State Nittany Lion: Ki-Jana Carter. The quarterbacks will almost certainly prevent Barkley from breaking that drought. But after that? His wait won't be long.


Barkley is like someone's ridiculous Create-A-Player creation in Madden with 99's across the board. Better than both Elliott and Fournette, he's a complete back in every sense. Speed, power, agility, vision, blocking, route running and catching. He does it all exceptionally well.

I liked both David Johnson and Kareem Hunt a lot coming out in the draft. I thought both could be top notch NFL feature backs and I like Barkley a lot more than I liked either of those guys. If the 49er's can't draft a QB, don't like any of the QB's or end up signing someone like Cousins then I hope that Barkley is the pick because right now he just looks like the hands down type player in the draft, this year's Myles Garrett, even if he ultimately doesn't end up going #1. He is a highlight waiting to happen everytime he touches the football.
Originally posted by Heroism:
Saquon Barkley Is the Future of the NFL

The Titans, built sturdy and tough up front, rushed for 195 yards on the vaunted Seahawks defense on Sunday. The Ravens spent the last two offseason getting younger and quicker on defense, and that group kept the Bengals and Browns out of the end zone in Weeks 1 and 2. Then in London, a Jaguars offense reworked this offseason with size in mind ran for 166 yards on them.

This is how the NFL works. Teams spent the last decade building around quarterbacks and receivers, and defenses are now stocked with 220-pound linebackers and 250-pound pass rushers. And now we're getting the zig to that zag—personnel czars like Jacksonville's Tom Coughlin and Tennessee's Jon Robinson capitalized by building jackhammer offenses to run at those defenses, while creating better environments for their young QBs.

"That's been going on since the 1970s," said one NFC personnel exec. "It's not a new trend, it's the same cycle. New people rise in the football world, history repeats itself."

Enter Saquon Barkley. In the four drafts between 2011 and '14, only one running back, Alabama's Trent Richardson, went in the top half of the first round. In the last three drafts, five tailbacks—Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon, Ezekiel Elliott, Leonard Fournette and Christian McCaffrey—have gone within the top 16 picks. And Barkley might be better than any of them.

Moreover, he's coming along at the right time. Teams are considering retro looks offensively, which can prop up young quarterbacks, help the defense, and exploit opponents built to combat high-end passing attacks. So where the value of running backs may have recently declined, it seems now demand for a 230-pound, three-down, 21st-century style bellcow, a la Elliott or Joe Mixon, is on the rise.

"You can build an offense around him," said one AFC exec of Barkley. "He's so f---ing good. Zeke is solid in all areas. Fournette is a special athlete for the position. This kid? He's way better than both of them . . . He's a step above Zeke in all categories, and has much better hands and feet and vision than Fournette does. He's special. I haven't seen a better college football player."

"When I first saw Zeke, it was his explosion from the line to the second level that was rare, and Saquon's is probably a little better," said another NFC personnel director. "There's something different about this guy, he has rare things about him—his explosion, his balance, his vision, his ability to cut laterally. Someone hits him and he lands on his feet. And he's tougher than s---. He steps up in pass protection."

What we all saw on Saturday, in a game that Penn State seemed to be in the process of blowing at Iowa, was the virtual trailer to what Barkley could be at the next level. He ripped through the Hawkeyes defense for 211 yards and a touchdown on 28 carries, and caught 12 balls for 94 yards, and returned for three kicks for 53 yards. His fourth-quarter hurdle of Iowa corner Josh Jackson to convert a third-and-6 was a moment you'll see replayed a ton in March and April. There wasn't a moment when there was any doubt who the best player on the field was.

So there's a better than good chance that there will an NFL offense built around the true junior at this time next year, the same way Elliott had an offense built around him as a rookie last year. That Barkley could be better than the league's reigning rushing champion makes this one even more interesting. And how a retro-minded team might view him as a true centerpiece adds another layer.

"If you look you at it from our perspective, the ideal back today has to be able to do everything," said an AFC college scouting director. "There's not great value in the first- and second-down back anymore, or a guy who's just a third-down scatback. You want a guy who does everything. And that's Zeke, it's Mixon, and it's Saquon Barkley."

The last time a running back went first overall was in 1995, and it was another Penn State Nittany Lion: Ki-Jana Carter. The quarterbacks will almost certainly prevent Barkley from breaking that drought. But after that? His wait won't be long.

Reading that made my balls tingle.
He makes our OL run blocking immediately better without drafting or signing an offensive lineman and the 8 in the box wont be to dare you to throw it.
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Originally posted by jersey49er:
Easily best back in the country, I think Hyde gets resigned, he's going to be a Colt or a Giant next year..I'd say a Jet but no way they don't take a QB..

Most likely will end up a Seahawk TBH.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Carlos Hyde reading this thread like, "Man f*ck yall n****as!"

Yeah I get Barkley is freaking amazing. Been impressed since his first year. But we have a legit top 5 RB when healthy.

Two things:
1. WHEN HEALTHY. Hyde is never healthy. He is a great complementary back but his body isn't meant for full-time work.
2. Barkley has G.O.A.T talent. Reminds me of a young Marshal Faulk. You NEVER pass on this type of talent because the player you currently have is a "top 5 back WHEN HEALTHY"...
[ Edited by pdizo916 on Sep 27, 2017 at 1:38 AM ]
Kendall Hunter > Barkley
Sign K.Cousins in FA and draft this kid and we'll be alright next year. By the end of the year, we won't be drafting in the top 10. The team is improving and I can see us start winning some games when all 3 phases gels together and feels more comfortable with the new schemes. Book it
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Sign K.Cousins in FA and draft this kid and we'll be alright next year. By the end of the year, we won't be drafting in the top 10. The team is improving and I can see us start winning some games when all 3 phases gels together and feels more comfortable with the new schemes. Book it
Originally posted by 808niner4lyphe:
Sign K.Cousins in FA and draft this kid and we'll be alright next year. By the end of the year, we won't be drafting in the top 10. The team is improving and I can see us start winning some games when all 3 phases gels together and feels more comfortable with the new schemes. Book it

Again, I agree with this. They need to add two interior linemen and address another OT in the early part of next year's draft.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Barkley is like someone's ridiculous Create-A-Player creation in Madden with 99's across the board. Better than both Elliott and Fournette, he's a complete back in every sense. Speed, power, agility, vision, blocking, route running and catching. He does it all exceptionally well.

I liked both David Johnson and Kareem Hunt a lot coming out in the draft. I thought both could be top notch NFL feature backs and I like Barkley a lot more than I liked either of those guys. If the 49er's can't draft a QB, don't like any of the QB's or end up signing someone like Cousins then I hope that Barkley is the pick because right now he just looks like the hands down type player in the draft, this year's Myles Garrett, even if he ultimately doesn't end up going #1. He is a highlight waiting to happen everytime he touches the football.

Well said Phoenix. The kid looks like a Bo Jackson of this generation, just a freak athlete and a complete prototype for the position.
[ Edited by Willisfn4life on Sep 27, 2017 at 6:40 AM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
If you're legitimately drafting BPA, I don't know how you can draft Rosen or Darnold and their slew of ints and inconsistencies over Saquon Barkley.

They won't matter after we sign Kirk Cousins.

Then draft Barkley
Too many of you are assuming that we get Cousins. Washington holds the cards, not us
Originally posted by Heroism:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Definitely a tough call. Also, one of the age old questions of sports, go with the best prospect or go with the guy that has the same chance of transcending your team as they do of keeping you at the bottom? Barkley is a hell of a player, possibly a better prospect than fournette because he's more versatile and just as effective of a runner. I guess it will depend on where we draft come late april next year.

I don't think it will affect us because:

1.) Kyle won't like either of the QBs
2.) Shanahans don't use precious resources(ie first-round picks) on RBs.

btw, IMO, Barkley is substantially better than Fournette.

I've always said that to - shanahan system makes a 5th rounder a 1300 yard back.

With that being said.... assuming the team was solid all around. Imagine what a top premier back would do in that system? Its salivating, but unfortunately we have a swiss cheese roster and need many players.
Yea Shanny's system you can get Rbs from 3 round and up shoot Terrell Davis was a 6th rounder doubt he's an option especially if Hyde is back
Originally posted by 49ers808:
Too many of you are assuming that we get Cousins. Washington holds the cards, not us

This. We are being used to get a bigger contract. But if Washington calls his bluff then we will get him. I just don't see a legit 30 year old starting caliber QB hitting Free Agency.
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