Poll: Like or Dislike Players Protesting During the National Anthem?

Originally posted by Born9erFan:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

And that's my problem we get outraged for him kneeling drag flag and military into the topic but don't get outraged when we deny the military health care when they come home.

Don't you see a problem with this?

We as Americans rather look good than actually doing good or why not get ouraged for a real issue with the military or our government ? At least thats the message we are sending..

I rather do good, than be concerned with looking good..

It's hypocrisy imo.

I couldn't agree with you more. Honestly, I didn't know most of the things you brought up about our vets. That being said, if Kaeps protest was about the treatment of our vets then he would have gotten traction because kneeling at the flag would have had some connection. The problem is, the players spend all of their time defending their method of protest because it IS offensive and has NOTHING to do with what their issues are.

Someone brought up Rosa Parks, her protest was about inequality and her avenue was the segregation on a bus. Both are very connected. Kaepernicks protest is police brutality and his avenue is insulting vets and people who love this country. No connection. He chose it because it gets attention, nothing else. He could have worn something on his jersey and taken the fine every week, it would have gotten attention and not distract from his goal.

Honestly, I do question HIS love for this country. I don't think he is very bright when it comes to world issues and has been manipulated by his activist girlfriend. If the media wasn't so liberal he would not have gotten so far with this.

I agree.

I think Bob Costas said his heart is in the right place but he said some stupid things. He has put his money up to charities across the country.

I don't think he is a fraud, A kid that might have made some mistakes but now keeping quiet he is being smart. He might not be super intelligent or have an iq of einstein but so far it looks like he has a heart? Kaepernick doesn't look like he lost focused? Looks American to me?

"Colin Kaepernick has donated $700K of his $1 million pledge to 24 different organizations"
By Mark Hinog on June 3, 2017 4:16 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/lookit/2017/6/3/15735060/colin-kaepernick-700k-1-million-dollar-pledge-charity-latest-donations

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Born9erFan:
Yes, America got offended. He pissed off people that would have been on his side because he was ignorant in his protest. When we told him that he didn't listen. The conversations haven't been about his protest ever, because he chose a venue that IS disrespectful to our military. Just because you say I didn't mean to disrespect doesn't mean it isn't disrespectful. Frankly the closed minded people in this debate are the NFL players that won't listen to the people who have repeatedly told them it offends them when you kneel.

And that's my problem we get outraged for him kneeling drag flag and military into the topic but don't get outraged when we deny the military health care when they come home.

Don't you see a problem with this?

We as Americans rather look good than actually doing good or why not get ouraged for a real issue with the military or our government ? At least thats the message we are sending..

I rather do good, than be concerned with looking good..

It's hypocrisy imo.

Kind of like the hypocrisy of Making such a major issue of the minuscule number of blacks killed by cops, but not worrying about the huge number of blacks killed by blacks?

Originally posted by Tombo:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Born9erFan:

Yes, America got offended. He pissed off people that would have been on his side because he was ignorant in his protest. When we told him that he didn't listen. The conversations haven't been about his protest ever, because he chose a venue that IS disrespectful to our military. Just because you say I didn't mean to disrespect doesn't mean it isn't disrespectful. Frankly the closed minded people in this debate are the NFL players that won't listen to the people who have repeatedly told them it offends them when you kneel.

And that's my problem we get outraged for him kneeling drag flag and military into the topic but don't get outraged when we deny the military health care when they come home.

Don't you see a problem with this?

We as Americans rather look good than actually doing good or why not get ouraged for a real issue with the military or our government ? At least thats the message we are sending..

I rather do good, than be concerned with looking good..

It's hypocrisy imo.

Kind of like the hypocrisy of Making such a major issue of the minuscule number of blacks killed by cops, but not worrying about the huge number of blacks killed by blacks?

People do worry about that. A simplr Google search will return many results for anti violence community action groups and programs.

Been a 49er for 25 years. I just cancelled Nfl ticket for a full refund. I'm done watching these apes playing with a ball. We don't need you NFL, Jed York. You need the fans. Stop whining about police killing blacks. Blacks need to worry about black on black crime. Police yourselves. If you don't like America, go back to Africa. f**k black "power". Bye bye NFL. Thanks for the memories.

P.S. In case you haven't noticed by now. The NFL is fixed. WWF style baby. I'm out!

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Tombo:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Born9erFan:

Yes, America got offended. He pissed off people that would have been on his side because he was ignorant in his protest. When we told him that he didn't listen. The conversations haven't been about his protest ever, because he chose a venue that IS disrespectful to our military. Just because you say I didn't mean to disrespect doesn't mean it isn't disrespectful. Frankly the closed minded people in this debate are the NFL players that won't listen to the people who have repeatedly told them it offends them when you kneel.

And that's my problem we get outraged for him kneeling drag flag and military into the topic but don't get outraged when we deny the military health care when they come home.

Don't you see a problem with this?

We as Americans rather look good than actually doing good or why not get ouraged for a real issue with the military or our government ? At least thats the message we are sending..

I rather do good, than be concerned with looking good..

It's hypocrisy imo.

Kind of like the hypocrisy of Making such a major issue of the minuscule number of blacks killed by cops, but not worrying about the huge number of blacks killed by blacks?

People do worry about that. A simplr Google search will return many results for anti violence community action groups and programs.

The amount of activism and media attention given to warzone murder culture pales in comparison to recent hysteria over "white supremact police brutality". As BLM calls it.

The latter is now shoved down everyone's throat just about everywhere at all times on TV, radio and online.

It's blame shifting. The two issues are directly linked. High rates of murder, armed robbery and gun violence are directly linked to higher rates of police contact. Violent or otherwise.

Even when people focus on warzone murder culture they end up blaming it on white racism. Everything seems to be about blame shifting. (White racism supposedly causes poverty in the 21st century and this poverty forces people to murder eachother. Right?)

It's paternalistic when white liberals such as yourself pull this line of reasoning. Very paternalistic. We should be focused on the nuclear family, education, American jobs for all and cultural change.

Originally posted by Oakhammer:

Been a 49er for 25 years. I just cancelled Nfl ticket for a full refund. I'm done watching these apes playing with a ball. We don't need you NFL, Jed York. You need the fans. Stop whining about police killing blacks. Blacks need to worry about black on black crime. Police yourselves. If you don't like America, go back to Africa. f**k black "power". Bye bye NFL. Thanks for the memories.

f**k off.

Originally posted by Oakhammer:

Been a 49er for 25 years. I just cancelled Nfl ticket for a full refund. I'm done watching these apes playing with a ball. We don't need you NFL, Jed York. You need the fans. Stop whining about police killing blacks. Blacks need to worry about black on black crime. Police yourselves. If you don't like America, go back to Africa. f**k black "power". Bye bye NFL. Thanks for the memories.

And it's idiots like you that are making honest conversations next to impossible. You throw the word ape around but your IQ is obviously low end. I'd guess under 85.

You're a social juctice warriors wet dream. In fact, I bet you are an SJW with a fake account. I've seen you guys pull crap like this when you start to lose arguments.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Tombo:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Born9erFan:
Yes, America got offended. He pissed off people that would have been on his side because he was ignorant in his protest. When we told him that he didn't listen. The conversations haven't been about his protest ever, because he chose a venue that IS disrespectful to our military. Just because you say I didn't mean to disrespect doesn't mean it isn't disrespectful. Frankly the closed minded people in this debate are the NFL players that won't listen to the people who have repeatedly told them it offends them when you kneel.

And that's my problem we get outraged for him kneeling drag flag and military into the topic but don't get outraged when we deny the military health care when they come home.

Don't you see a problem with this?

We as Americans rather look good than actually doing good or why not get ouraged for a real issue with the military or our government ? At least thats the message we are sending..

I rather do good, than be concerned with looking good..

It's hypocrisy imo.

Kind of like the hypocrisy of Making such a major issue of the minuscule number of blacks killed by cops, but not worrying about the huge number of blacks killed by blacks?

People do worry about that. A simplr Google search will return many results for anti violence community action groups and programs.

You totally missed the point. We are talking about NFL players worrying about black people dying. I would think they would want to use their large stage to protest about the much more important problem of black on black crime. We are talking about thousands of lives compared to maybe dozens. They are just jumping on the liberal media sensationalism that's going on right now, because it is so popular (and dividing, I might add).

Holy s**t

This forum is full of white privileged closet racists who seriously can't see the forest through the trees.

This will officially be my last post in this place

As someone who's been a victim of racial injustice, profiling and brutality...its a shame to read how its glossed over because black people kill other black people the same way whites kill whites and Latinos kill other Latinos. But its only a problem when we bring up s**t ppl don't want to discuss.

Good riddance...I don't need this negativity anywhere

Originally posted by reasonable1:

Holy s**t

This forum is full of white privileged closet racists who seriously can't see the forest through the trees.

This will officially be my last post in this place

As someone who's been a victim of racial injustice, profiling and brutality...its a shame to read how its glossed over because black people kill other black people the same way whites kill whites and Latinos kill other Latinos. But its only a problem when we bring up s**t ppl don't want to discuss.

Good riddance...I don't need this negativity anywhere

The exact response that "Oakhammer" account was meant to legitimize.

That post was probably written with the intent to associate racism with anyone critical of BLM or the general narrative.

Now rather than discuss the topic and information everyone will scream "racism" and have it shut down.

This is exactly what's happening across the internet. I think you should stick around and defend your ideology. Without subversive tactics.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
"Handcuffed teenagers beaten bloody with guns. Unarmed people shot and killed in their cars. Cops firing guns carelessly into busy streets. Mentally ill people tasered in ambulances. Supervisors refusing to challenge a brutal status quo.

These examples didn't come from the New York City Police Department or Ferguson, Missouri, where the killing of unarmed black men by white cops has created a national outcry over institutional racism and excessive force. They were from Ohio, where the U.S. Department of Justice just finished an investigation and report on abusive and often unconstitutional policing by Cleveland Division of Police between 2010 and 2013. They were compiled before November 22, when a rookie officer shot and killed a 12-year-old African-American boy, Tamir Rice, for waving a toy gun around on a playground."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/15-reasons-americas-police-are-so-brutal?amp

Tiny microcosm huh? Interesting.

Originally posted by reasonable1:
Holy s**t

This forum is full of white privileged closet racists who seriously can't see the forest through the trees.

This will officially be my last post in this place

As someone who's been a victim of racial injustice, profiling and brutality...its a shame to read how its glossed over because black people kill other black people the same way whites kill whites and Latinos kill other Latinos. But its only a problem when we bring up s**t ppl don't want to discuss.

Good riddance...I don't need this negativity anywhere

LOL! Good riddance to you. "Closet racists"! I think that would be you. "White privileged"-- The new catch phrase

Originally posted by reasonable1:
Holy s**t

This forum is full of white privileged closet racists who seriously can't see the forest through the trees.

This will officially be my last post in this place

As someone who's been a victim of racial injustice, profiling and brutality...its a shame to read how its glossed over because black people kill other black people the same way whites kill whites and Latinos kill other Latinos. But its only a problem when we bring up s**t ppl don't want to discuss.

Good riddance...I don't need this negativity anywhere

just as you mentioned all races killing each other, all races get hassled by (some of) the police. It goes both ways. Most of my friends are mexican, I can tel you a bunch of them got beat up by the cops when we were younger. It happens to everyone.

Originally posted by Tombo:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

"Handcuffed teenagers beaten bloody with guns. Unarmed people shot and killed in their cars. Cops firing guns carelessly into busy streets. Mentally ill people tasered in ambulances. Supervisors refusing to challenge a brutal status quo.

These examples didn't come from the New York City Police Department or Ferguson, Missouri, where the killing of unarmed black men by white cops has created a national outcry over institutional racism and excessive force. They were from Ohio, where the U.S. Department of Justice just finished an investigation and report on abusive and often unconstitutional policing by Cleveland Division of Police between 2010 and 2013. They were compiled before November 22, when a rookie officer shot and killed a 12-year-old African-American boy, Tamir Rice, for waving a toy gun around on a playground."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/15-reasons-americas-police-are-so-brutal?amp

Tiny microcosm huh? Interesting.

Originally posted by reasonable1:

Holy s**t

This forum is full of white privileged closet racists who seriously can't see the forest through the trees.

This will officially be my last post in this place

As someone who's been a victim of racial injustice, profiling and brutality...its a shame to read how its glossed over because black people kill other black people the same way whites kill whites and Latinos kill other Latinos. But its only a problem when we bring up s**t ppl don't want to discuss.

Good riddance...I don't need this negativity anywhere

LOL! Good riddance to you. "Closet racists"! I think that would be you. "White privileged"-- The new catch phrase

Your statement was ignorant and to quote me without reading is even more ignorance. I have White friends who support the cause, Americans are dying for no reason. I have plenty of white friends who understand very well what going on and see the bigger picture.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by strickac:

When certain people portray a specific lifestyle more regularly than others, don't you think they're going to garner the most attention?

A person should not be under more scrutiny and contact based on their skin tone, 4th Amendment should protect us from profiling, as should the 14th.

It's not about skin tone. It's about looking, dressing and acting a certain way. There are plenty of minority cops. It's not just white guys looking to discriminate.

When I was younger I had several of run-ins with cops and we were always worried when they were around. Now that I don't behave that way, I haven't had a single issue. I even have friends that are cops. We all make a choice in the matter.

I'll step away from this thread. I try to stay away from politics on this site because this is my football escape, but, I saw Popeye's comment about how worthless and unskilled our military is and I took the bait. That's fine. He's speaking out in a matter he knows nothing about. Having a relative die doesn't make you an expert either. Not everything he said was wrong. Any govt entity is going to be inefficient. Unskilled workers though? That strikes a nerve. Just like everywhere else, it's a mixed bag. Someone has to take out the trash at Microsoft. You have people from Ivy League schools, a good percentage with advanced degrees, then years of specialized schools and training in their fields. The military has a hard time retaining some fields because they are skilled and can make significantly more money in the private sector.

I'm not denying there are plenty of people that can barely form sentences, but that's everywhere. Throwing a blanket generalization out there is silly, especially when these people are fighting for you and their country. It's unappreciative at the least. Some of those unskilled workers will willingly fight for you under the worst conditions.

It's all relative though. In the NFL there's probably a decent percentage of players that are illerate or reading at a grade school level, but you love them because they're 320lbs and can plow holes for his RB. We'd never call him unskilled.

Let's hope this all gets resolved peacefully and we can continue to progress as a nation.

Originally posted by Tombo:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by Born9erFan:

Yes, America got offended. He pissed off people that would have been on his side because he was ignorant in his protest. When we told him that he didn't listen. The conversations haven't been about his protest ever, because he chose a venue that IS disrespectful to our military. Just because you say I didn't mean to disrespect doesn't mean it isn't disrespectful. Frankly the closed minded people in this debate are the NFL players that won't listen to the people who have repeatedly told them it offends them when you kneel.

And that's my problem we get outraged for him kneeling drag flag and military into the topic but don't get outraged when we deny the military health care when they come home.

Don't you see a problem with this?

We as Americans rather look good than actually doing good or why not get ouraged for a real issue with the military or our government ? At least thats the message we are sending..

I rather do good, than be concerned with looking good..

It's hypocrisy imo.

Kind of like the hypocrisy of Making such a major issue of the minuscule number of blacks killed by cops, but not worrying about the huge number of blacks killed by blacks?

The only thing minuscule is the lack of comprehension and understanding because if you READ its not a "minuscule" problem so conveniently. Its a nation wide problem..

Remove emotions and start looking at facts.