Poll: Like or Dislike Players Protesting During the National Anthem?

Originally posted by Jiks:

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Also, maybe Im naive here but offer solutions. I have yet to see a single player offer any solution to the issues they protest about. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

Just want add a fact the NFL players have been arrested 855 times since 2000. That includes 215 DUI charges, 99 drug charges, 96 domestic violence cases and 71 assaults. It even includes two murders. They could start by cleaning up thier act first stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror. Players need to practice what they preach.

I'm all for the players sticking up for their civil rights, as it is their God given right, but personally, I find the whole issue to be divisive and a distraction. I have a lot more respect for players like J.J. Watt who was able to raise millions for hurricane relief in Houston. I wonder how much money and attention these kneelers gave to the struggling people of Houston, probably nothing.

Originally posted by Brewcrew:

Originally posted by Jiks:
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Also, maybe Im naive here but offer solutions. I have yet to see a single player offer any solution to the issues they protest about. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

Just want add a fact the NFL players have been arrested 855 times since 2000. That includes 215 DUI charges, 99 drug charges, 96 domestic violence cases and 71 assaults. It even includes two murders. They could start by cleaning up thier act first stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror. Players need to practice what they preach.

Case in point: Michael Bennett being exposed for lying about police abuse in his Vegas incident.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Case in point: Michael Bennett being exposed for lying about police abuse in his Vegas incident.

That was just way too much of a coincidence for it to be credible in the first place. Can you provide your source?

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Case in point: Michael Bennett being exposed for lying about police abuse in his Vegas incident.

That was just way too much of a coincidence for it to be credible in the first place. Can you provide your source?

Do a quick Google search and you'll find the police video. I think TMZ also had the links

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Case in point: Michael Bennett being exposed for lying about police abuse in his Vegas incident.

That was just way too much of a coincidence for it to be credible in the first place. Can you provide your source?

Wow, just watched some of the new videos of Michael Bennett. Damn, it was chaos after a shooting in a very crowded, large, casino with multiple officers running through telling people to stay down or evacuate (depending on the location the officers are in within the casino). There are a lot of calm people listening to the officers (and a lot of them just standing there ignoring officers because they are probably too drunk to know what's going on, lol, but the officers ignore them also, and yes some of the patrons are actually black) and then they see one person out of hundreds bolt, and the cops give pursuit (2 Hispanic, 1 black officer btw, no whites involved).

It looks like Bennett just pissed his pants in a scary situation, freaked out, and took off ( which is a lot less manly than how he describes it). You can't tell race or anything else other than, in the distance, he is the only person out of hundreds that runs. He bolts out a door with dozens of people milling around and jumps over a wall to get away (not suspicious at all, right?). Cops catch up and cuff him within 30 seconds. When cops ask for identification (which he apparently doesn't have) he pulls the all so classy 'do you know who I am' defense and they take the time to look him up on their phones to verify he plays for the Seahawks. Something's fishy and sure as hell ain't the cops behavior.

This guys is dangerous. His version forwards a narrative that is divisive and flat out wrong. The sad thing is, he may have taken a scenario where he looks like a b***h and tried to turn into a false accusation of racism.

Hypothetical, what happens if the 17 accounts of police shootings of unarmed black men a year are actually fabrications like the Michael Brown and Michael Bennett situations. Will people admit they are wrong and stop protesting?

I have to bring up one more point. Why does this website have a forum called the 'Parking Lot'? It's so that political debates can be segregated from the rest of the conversations, right? And why is that? Because we can all agree no matter where you go (work, sporting events, in-laws, concert, etc.) that there are all kinds of people and opinions that differ and that once you bring up politics, or religion, that you are inevitably going to end up in a fight that may ruin the event or day.

Kaepernick brought a political debate into his locker room (where unity and avoiding in-fighting is a lot more important than it is on a damn sports fan website, which happens to be free). That has got to be the biggest dick move of last year in any NFL locker room. Hell, Villanueva of the Steelers actually apologized (and is sadly embarrassed) for standing for the anthem outside because it put his teammates on the spot.

I gaurentee that there are Niner players that are not happy but keep their mouth shut, because that is the only thing that is keeping the peace in the locker room. But the Ried's and the Kaep's don't give a f**k about that.

Originally posted by Jiks:

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Also, maybe Im naive here but offer solutions. I have yet to see a single player offer any solution to the issues they protest about. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

When Kap first kneeled the main thing most said around here was that he should put his money where his mouth is. He did. He has received little to no credit for it. Instead he catches blame for kneeling in the first place. He donated a million dollars and has done a variety of other community service that you can google.

Bennet is donating his 2017 endorsement money to chatities that help minority communities along with other charities.

I understand your point, however no matter what these guys do positively, everubody is going to focus on the protest itself. I havent heard a single person who disagrees with the protest offer up any solutions either other than to say "protest differently". In this day and age its easiest to just b***h.

Originally posted by Brewcrew:

Just want add a fact the NFL players have been arrested 855 times since 2000. That includes 215 DUI charges, 99 drug charges, 96 domestic violence cases and 71 assaults. It even includes two murders. They could start by cleaning up thier act first stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror. Players need to practice what they preach.

And through all these hundreds of (actual) criminal incidents not a single NFL fan threatened to boycott.

Originally posted by Born9erFan:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Case in point: Michael Bennett being exposed for lying about police abuse in his Vegas incident.

That was just way too much of a coincidence for it to be credible in the first place. Can you provide your source?

Wow, just watched some of the new videos of Michael Bennett. Damn, it was chaos after a shooting in a very crowded, large, casino with multiple officers running through telling people to stay down or evacuate (depending on the location the officers are in within the casino). There are a lot of calm people listening to the officers (and a lot of them just standing there ignoring officers because they are probably too drunk to know what's going on, lol, but the officers ignore them also, and yes some of the patrons are actually black) and then they see one person out of hundreds bolt, and the cops give pursuit (2 Hispanic, 1 black officer btw, no whites involved).

It looks like Bennett just pissed his pants in a scary situation, freaked out, and took off ( which is a lot less manly than how he describes it). You can't tell race or anything else other than, in the distance, he is the only person out of hundreds that runs. He bolts out a door with dozens of people milling around and jumps over a wall to get away (not suspicious at all, right?). Cops catch up and cuff him within 30 seconds. When cops ask for identification (which he apparently doesn't have) he pulls the all so classy 'do you know who I am' defense and they take the time to look him up on their phones to verify he plays for the Seahawks. Something's fishy and sure as hell ain't the cops behavior.

This guys is dangerous. His version forwards a narrative that is divisive and flat out wrong. The sad thing is, he may have taken a scenario where he looks like a b***h and tried to turn into a false accusation of racism.

Hypothetical, what happens if the 17 accounts of police shootings of unarmed black men a year are actually fabrications like the Michael Brown and Michael Bennett situations. Will people admit they are wrong and stop protesting?

S**t, people will still insist this lying SJW hero Bennett is telling the truth, and there will be no apology...FFS, the people inclined to believe his totally fabricated fairytale still think St. Mike Brown really was "hands up don't shoot".

Originally posted by Born9erFan:

Originally posted by SaksV:

Thinking that NFL players are protesting the "flag" is like thinking Rosa Parks was protesting public transportation.

I read your post earlier saying the same thing about Rosa Parks. There is a direct correlation to segregation and public transportation since the bus had segregated seats. She defied a law that was racist. When you kneel during the anthem it symbolizes you are protesting America and the flag and its military. Which has nothing to do with what is being protested. A big difference.

Everyone defending Kaep and NFL players are saying that their actions are the exact opossite of what their actions symbolize. But neither (hate of flag vs. love of flag) has anything to do racist police officers. Why is that so hard to understand.

Tell me how kneeling during the anthem is connected to racist police officers please. And don't say it's because it's protesting is more patriotic or American than than anything. Because this has never been a protest about people's right to protest.

Let me just get to the point.


The activists behind BLM, the founders of BLM are all socialists.

Anyone telling you otherwise is lying to you. Or they're one of the idiots that doesn't understand what's going on.

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by Jiks:

This...

Also, maybe Im naive here but offer solutions. I have yet to see a single player offer any solution to the issues they protest about. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

When Kap first kneeled the main thing most said around here was that he should put his money where his mouth is. He did. He has received little to no credit for it. Instead he catches blame for kneeling in the first place. He donated a million dollars and has done a variety of other community service that you can google.

Bennet is donating his 2017 endorsement money to chatities that help minority communities along with other charities.

I understand your point, however no matter what these guys do positively, everubody is going to focus on the protest itself. I havent heard a single person who disagrees with the protest offer up any solutions either other than to say "protest differently". In this day and age its easiest to just b***h.

Originally posted by Brewcrew:

Just want add a fact the NFL players have been arrested 855 times since 2000. That includes 215 DUI charges, 99 drug charges, 96 domestic violence cases and 71 assaults. It even includes two murders. They could start by cleaning up thier act first stop pointing fingers and start looking in the mirror. Players need to practice what they preach.

And through all these hundreds of (actual) criminal incidents not a single NFL fan threatened to boycott.

Not trying to be a jerk because its great that he's making a difference and putting his money where his mouth is, but what he has done is pretty standard as far as charity work and donations. Players from every single major sport do similar charities and run foundations without the glory.

Originally posted by Born9erFan:

I gaurentee that there are Niner players that are not happy but keep their mouth shut, because that is the only thing that is keeping the peace in the locker room. But the Ried's and the Kaep's don't give a f**k about that.

Let me pose an alternative, be it far-fetched, possibility.

Maybe just MAYBE, the Kaps and Reids of the NFL have had actual had conversations with their teammates. Real actual conversations. Not this s**t people do on the internet where everybody knows they're right and just talk AT each other. Nope, not that. I mean real conversation...like adults. Adults with brains. Maybe Kap Reid etc explained where they are coming from. Maybe they listened to where teammates who disagree with them are coming from. And maybe just MAYBE, after talking from a place of mutual respect and love the two sides came a sort of compromise.

Stay with me here I know Im losing you.

The side who disagress with the protesting, after being adults and talking, decided that they can live with the protests because they are teammates and have love for one another. I know its crazy, but hear me out. It's actually possible for two sides who disagree with each other to work together. But in order to do that the notion of "Im right you're wrong" has to be a little bit more flexible. I believe that this MAYBE is what has happened in many NFL locker rooms, including our own. Guys talked, listened, understood and kept it moving. Though some disagree, they respect the other sides opinion because they are teammates and are working together for a common goal.

Everybody calls this protest "divisive", but I have heard few reports of actual divisiveness in NFL locker rooms. Given that these are the guys actually protesting, you'd think you would probably hear otherwise given how "divisive" everybody says tge protests are.

Maybe, just MAYBE NFL lockerooms are showing us something we all could learn from.

I ran into a BLM protest at Home Depot. It was the Emeryville/Oakland border. About mid 2015. Maybe late 2015. I don't remember the exact date.

Anyhow, there was a BLM protest out front. They were keeping people from entering Home Depot. They ended up closing the store for the day. A local radio station was there etc. I asked what was going on and they told me racist cops killed an innocent black woman. They were even more angry because the cop used a rifle. I talked to people out front and they kept saying "she was gunned down with military weaponry".

They had me convinced the woman was innocent. That she was just minding her own business and cops started harrassing her. They told me she started to run and then they shot her dead after she ran.


I was pissed off because I believed it.


Come to find out she was stealing from Home Depot. She was confronted by security and ran. They chased her out front and acroos the street then she carjacked a person at gunpoint. The cops drove up as that happened. They shot her and killed her.


The next protest I came across was on highway 24 in Oakland. BLM was "shutting down" the highway. I ended up stuck in traffic for about 1.5 hours.

Come to find out the cops shot and killed a man earlier in the day. Why? He was armed with a gun and in the process of carjacking someone.

BLM didn't care. They didn't give two schits about what the person was doing.

It was all about "shutting it down". It was all about racial hysteria.


That was the moment I decided to speak out against BLM. After the second protest I experienced. After seeing first hand how they were lying.

Originally posted by Jiks:

Not trying to be a jerk because its great that he's making a difference and putting his money where his mouth is, but what he has done is pretty standard as far as charity work and donations. Players from every single major sport do similar charities and run foundations without the glory.

A million dollars is standard? Ok. Agree to disagree.

But you've proven my point. No matter what he does its not going to be good enough.

Imo he didnt ask for any "glory". He did something by himself ànd it blew up. The first time he did it nobody even noticed. So i dont think he sgould be held to a higher charitable standard because of the protest. He's dontated more money to his cause than most of the world will see in their lifetime. He's done that and more. I think that's good.

Originally posted by Antix:
Let me pose an alternative, be it far-fetched, possibility.

Maybe just MAYBE, the Kaps and Reids of the NFL have had actual had conversations with their teammates. Real actual conversations. Not this s**t people do on the internet where everybody knows they're right and just talk AT each other. Nope, not that. I mean real conversation...like adults. Adults with brains. Maybe Kap Reid etc explained where they are coming from. Maybe they listened to where teammates who disagree with them are coming from. And maybe just MAYBE, after talking from a place of mutual respect and love the two sides came a sort of compromise.

Stay with me here I know Im losing you.

The side who disagress with the protesting, after being adults and talking, decided that they can live with the protests because they are teammates and have love for one another. I know its crazy, but hear me out. It's actually possible for two sides who disagree with each other to work together. But in order to do that the notion of "Im right you're wrong" has to be a little bit more flexible. I believe that this MAYBE is what has happened in many NFL locker rooms, including our own. Guys talked, listened, understood and kept it moving. Though some disagree, they respect the other sides opinion because they are teammates and are working together for a common goal.

Everybody calls this protest "divisive", but I have heard few reports of actual divisiveness in NFL locker rooms. Given that these are the guys actually protesting, you'd think you would probably hear otherwise given how "divisive" everybody says tge protests are.

Maybe, just MAYBE NFL lockerooms are showing us something we all could learn from.

I have 6 days and 20 hours during the week where I can hear peoples views, right or wrong, and give, I hope, some intelligent thought and feedback on the issues. Come Sundays I want to watch football, there's enough time to protest, march, or do whatever you please. Now this is causing a ripple effect where the fans are supposed to put the issues first and foremost before the game. You can protest, hell, I'll walk alongside you for injustice. But please give us a few hours on Sunday where the world goes away for a few hours.