Poll: Like or Dislike Players Protesting During the National Anthem?

I like it because i like the 1st amendment. It's really really simple.

Protests never happen at a convenient, perfect place or time. We bag on these players for not doing anything with the platforms they have, and now that they are people still aren't happy.

Well it's not about making people happy and comfortable, it's about raising awareness, and they're doing it in a super peaceful and respectful way.

At the end of the day, police brutality is real and justice isn't bring served.

These players are as ballsy and as patriotic as it gets. I admire anyone who fights for justice.

Originally posted by socalniner:
Yet this same nfl doesnt want Kap on their team lol

It's one thing not to add fuel to the impending fire of labor talks with the NFLPA... It's another to intentionally add Kaep and Nessa to the roster... making YOUR team the lightning rod of the movement.

I'll be honest.. a lot of veterans i see are on the streets. If people stopped turning away from what's uncomfortable they would look at how tons of veterans get shafted after service.

I could see a lot more sense if veterans joined the players in the protest. This isn't a protest against the military, rather it's a protest to hold our country true to the very things that these veterans are fighting for.

Originally posted by tondiman:
I'll be honest.. a lot of veterans i see are on the streets. If people stopped turning away from what's uncomfortable they would look at how tons of veterans get shafted after service.

I could see a lot more sense if veterans joined the players in the protest. This isn't a protest against the military, rather it's a protest to hold our country true to the very things that these veterans are fighting for.

And you've just hit the nail on the head... Feigning ire towards an anthem protest is a lot cheaper than actually helping (or better yet just understanding) a service person... A lot of these irate fans shop at Wal-mart, may have a family member in the service, haven't been in the service, some fly a confederate battle flat next to the stars and stripes, do NOTHING for their community, and are piss drunk when the anthem is being sung... hell, have you actually watched the beer line during the anthem at a game???? ya, it keeps moving like nothing is going on; you may get that one dude being Merica strong as he removes his hat while staring down the beer server...

Why are people upset about the anthem protest...? because it's easy and it allows them to behave sanctimoniously without any real effort. All these team apparel burners are just hunting for their 5 minutes of fame and twenty likes... They'll be buying their new jersey in a couple of months..

Mainly, I just don't see it as productive. It's divisive and meant to strike a nerve. That's why it's being done. Now we have children doing it. GTFOH! This is the least racist our country has ever been. We spent the past decade with a black president.

I firmly believe the more we talk about racism and the more groups isolate themselves, the longer the condition exists.

And yes, it is disrespectful to military when you dishonor our flag and anthem.

Originally posted by strickac:
Mainly, I just don't see it as productive. It's divisive and meant to strike a nerve. That's why it's being done. Now we have children doing it. GTFOH! This is the least racist our country has ever been. We spent the past decade with a black president.

I firmly believe the more we talk about racism and the more groups isolate themselves, the longer the condition exists.

And yes, it is disrespectful to military when you dishonor our flag and anthem.

Having a black president doesn't mean racism is over. Racism and cultural centrism has been around and will be around in varying degrees. I think many of us felt that having a black president will magically put a lot of what shames us as US citizens behind us... it didn't, so some see this as a failure, some see this as an opportunity to reassert their less than altruistic beliefs.

The fact we use the word "tolerance" to term racial and cultural acceptance should speak for itself. To tolerate is to allow something your are not necessarily pleased to exist unencumbered... That's not necessarily a positive thing... if anything, it sounds like kicking the can of bigotry down the street for some other generation to manage.

This is a complex issue. Fact is, if you're born in this country, being white and in a good neighborhood is better than being black in a good neighborhood... being white in a bad neighborhood is better than being black in a bad neighborhood...(well, unless you're black in a bad white neighborhood and vice versa... )

It's not a fun topic. And many of us believe we, ourselves, are not racists... but we are all bigots of one cloth or another... how we manage that bigotry is a sign of our character. I'm not a racist... but I do have my prejudices just like anyone else... and they show from time to time... and I'm most certainly not proud of them and refuse to defend them... they are mine to manage.

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by tondiman:
I'll be honest.. a lot of veterans i see are on the streets. If people stopped turning away from what's uncomfortable they would look at how tons of veterans get shafted after service.

I could see a lot more sense if veterans joined the players in the protest. This isn't a protest against the military, rather it's a protest to hold our country true to the very things that these veterans are fighting for.

And you've just hit the nail on the head... Feigning ire towards an anthem protest is a lot cheaper than actually helping (or better yet just understanding) a service person... A lot of these irate fans shop at Wal-mart, may have a family member in the service, haven't been in the service, some fly a confederate battle flat next to the stars and stripes, do NOTHING for their community, and are piss drunk when the anthem is being sung... hell, have you actually watched the beer line during the anthem at a game???? ya, it keeps moving like nothing is going on; you may get that one dude being Merica strong as he removes his hat while staring down the beer server...

Why are people upset about the anthem protest...? because it's easy and it allows them to behave sanctimoniously without any real effort. All these team apparel burners are just hunting for their 5 minutes of fame and twenty likes... They'll be buying their new jersey in a couple of months..

:)

it's getting out of hand and played out now.

''Kneel,hold arms, fist up , hand on shoulder,stand, HUT.

Kneel,hold arms, fist up , hand on shoulder,stand, HUT.''

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:

Wait a sec, you're trying to lecture me about not understanding the sacrifices made by veterans and their families?

I think you mighta missed the part about me being the son of a dead veteran.

I've got a dead dad and a sister who committed suicide.

What cards do you have on this table?

You absolutely sure you're the one who should be lecturing me and my family about sacrifice?

Get the heck outta here with that nonsense.

I can't speak for the enlisted eager beavers or careerist lifers, but damn near every actual war veteran I'm friends with or grew up around couldn't give a F about the anthem.

I am extremely sorry for your loss. I'm sure your father was a great man. He did us all a huge favor for serving and I wish I could thank him for that.

I think everyone has a family member or close friend that serves/has served in our military. My uncle is in the Navy. He's gone for over half of the year and his son doesn't have a father figure around the house to teach him things. He doesn't know how to throw or catch a ball. It's the little things many of us take for granted. You need no lecture since you have first hand experience. I'm so fortunate that there are people like your father willing to sacrifice his time at home to defend our great nation.

Although Kaepernick and other kneelers do not intend to disrespect our military and our flag, it's still disrespectful to not stand for our country's anthem. People fight and die so we can sit at home and watch football on Sunday's. Just because the men and women that you know don't care about anthem or the flag, doesn't mean that most who served don't either. How dare we as Americans not show respect for these brave men that sacrifice their lives for US.

Yes, protesting is what our country was founded on and yes, Kaepernick is right... there is a problem in our country. Black men every day are killed by policemen, and policemen every day are killed by black men who disobey the policemen's orders. It's such a bang-bang scenario that it's hard to really point the finger at either side.

Originally posted by tondiman:

I like it because i like the 1st amendment. It's really really simple.

Protests never happen at a convenient, perfect place or time. We bag on these players for not doing anything with the platforms they have, and now that they are people still aren't happy.

Well it's not about making people happy and comfortable, it's about raising awareness, and they're doing it in a super peaceful and respectful way.

At the end of the day, police brutality is real and justice isn't bring served.

These players are as ballsy and as patriotic as it gets. I admire anyone who fights for justice.

Kneeling for the national anthem is actually the exact opposite of respectful. Peaceful, yes. Respectful, absolutely not.

Originally posted by mv49erfan:

Originally posted by tondiman:

I like it because i like the 1st amendment. It's really really simple.

Protests never happen at a convenient, perfect place or time. We bag on these players for not doing anything with the platforms they have, and now that they are people still aren't happy.

Well it's not about making people happy and comfortable, it's about raising awareness, and they're doing it in a super peaceful and respectful way.

At the end of the day, police brutality is real and justice isn't bring served.

These players are as ballsy and as patriotic as it gets. I admire anyone who fights for justice.

Kneeling for the national anthem is actually the exact opposite of respectful. Peaceful, yes. Respectful, absolutely not.

kneeling, in almost any culture/country in the world including the USA, is a sign of respect. When people kneel in front of god, it's out of respect, when they kneel in front of a loved one's grave it's out of respect, when they kneel in front of a flag it's a peaceful and respectful way of saying "this flag stands for something and our country, by not serving justice, is not honouring what that flag means".

people who think it's disrespectful think so because for them the flag is a symbol of the military, when it never was and never will be, because it represents the people, justice, liberty and equality. Please please please regardless of your political background tell me that you understand this.

Originally posted by mv49erfan:

Originally posted by PopeyeJonesing:
Wait a sec, you're trying to lecture me about not understanding the sacrifices made by veterans and their families?

I think you mighta missed the part about me being the son of a dead veteran.

I've got a dead dad and a sister who committed suicide.

What cards do you have on this table?

You absolutely sure you're the one who should be lecturing me and my family about sacrifice?

Get the heck outta here with that nonsense.

I can't speak for the enlisted eager beavers or careerist lifers, but damn near every actual war veteran I'm friends with or grew up around couldn't give a F about the anthem.

I am extremely sorry for your loss. I'm sure your father was a great man. He did us all a huge favor for serving and I wish I could thank him for that.

I think everyone has a family member or close friend that serves/has served in our military. My uncle is in the Navy. He's gone for over half of the year and his son doesn't have a father figure around the house to teach him things. He doesn't know how to throw or catch a ball. It's the little things many of us take for granted. You need no lecture since you have first hand experience. I'm so fortunate that there are people like your father willing to sacrifice his time at home to defend our great nation.

Although Kaepernick and other kneelers do not intend to disrespect our military and our flag, it's still disrespectful to not stand for our country's anthem. People fight and die so we can sit at home and watch football on Sunday's. Just because the men and women that you know don't care about anthem or the flag, doesn't mean that most who served don't either. How dare we as Americans not show respect for these brave men that sacrifice their lives for US.

Yes, protesting is what our country was founded on and yes, Kaepernick is right... there is a problem in our country. Black men every day are killed by policemen, and policemen every day are killed by black men who disobey the policemen's orders. It's such a bang-bang scenario that it's hard to really point the finger at either side.

That's not why they fight and die. They fight and die so we can keep power in other countries. Purest reason for someone to fight and die is if a country attacked the homeland. THAT is when we all shuffle to grab a gun and stand our ground.

People in other countries watch the NFL. I'm sure their country isn't protected by their military.

POTUS and all these Murica folks are all based on empty hype.

Originally posted by tondiman:

Originally posted by mv49erfan:

Originally posted by tondiman:
I like it because i like the 1st amendment. It's really really simple.

Protests never happen at a convenient, perfect place or time. We bag on these players for not doing anything with the platforms they have, and now that they are people still aren't happy.

Well it's not about making people happy and comfortable, it's about raising awareness, and they're doing it in a super peaceful and respectful way.

At the end of the day, police brutality is real and justice isn't bring served.

These players are as ballsy and as patriotic as it gets. I admire anyone who fights for justice.

Kneeling for the national anthem is actually the exact opposite of respectful. Peaceful, yes. Respectful, absolutely not.

kneeling, in almost any culture/country in the world including the USA, is a sign of respect. When people kneel in front of god, it's out of respect, when they kneel in front of a loved one's grave it's out of respect, when they kneel in front of a flag it's a peaceful and respectful way of saying "this flag stands for something and our country, by not serving justice, is not honouring what that flag means".

people who think it's disrespectful think so because for them the flag is a symbol of the military, when it never was and never will be, because it represents the people, justice, liberty and equality. Please please please regardless of your political background tell me that you understand this.

Some people get it. Problem is that the wrong person in power doesn't. And I have a feeling he does get it but he's in it for himself and not the USA.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Some people get it. Problem is that the wrong person in power doesn't. And I have a feeling he does get it but he's in it for himself and not the USA.

People use patriotism (or other beliefs / causes) to camouflage their intent... This happens in seats of power... and in many cases... within the voting booth...

Scary thing, as that camouflage begins to fail, the more absurd the situation gets... to the point the real debouched justification not only becomes apparent, but embraced by the maleficent ideologue...

Originally posted by tondiman:

kneeling, in almost any culture/country in the world including the USA, is a sign of respect. When people kneel in front of god, it's out of respect, when they kneel in front of a loved one's grave it's out of respect, when they kneel in front of a flag it's a peaceful and respectful way of saying "this flag stands for something and our country, by not serving justice, is not honouring what that flag means".

people who think it's disrespectful think so because for them the flag is a symbol of the military, when it never was and never will be, because it represents the people, justice, liberty and equality. Please please please regardless of your political background tell me that you understand this.

Just because kneeling for some things represent respect doesn't mean that it represents respect for all things. If kneeling was a sign of respect for our flag and the anthem, then when why have we been standing for it since the song was created?

What if you refused to kneel in church? Or when there was a hurt player down on the field? When a player is hurt on the field, players kneel as a sign of respect. Some players don't kneel when a player is hurt, that's disrespectful. Do they mean to be disrespectful? Of course not. But it is. Just because the kneeling players say, "it's nothing against the military or our troops, I love our military" doesn't mean that it's any less disrespectful. Actions speak louder than words.