Poll: Like or Dislike Players Protesting During the National Anthem?

Like most polls, this is way too oversimplified.

Do I 'like' that there's injustice they feel they have to protest against? No.
Do I support their right to protest? Totally.

I think the NFL is feeling the heat and back pedaling on their protests. The owners and players realize that they're crushing their brand. Directv phone lines were shutdown due to people wanting to cancel Sunday Ticket. I was on the fence about it too.

Tonight, GB and Chicago sent a positive message and linked arms in unity. See, this has an impact. This doesn't divide us. At then of the day, I can live without football. The NFL can't live without fans.

Racism isn't dead, but it's not the issue we're making it either. Nearly half the population is mixed with a minority race. That number continues to grow. Racism erodes daily. These type of protests only serve to bring light to a tiny fraction of what's really happening in this county.

Regardless, I think the NFL knows they're on notice and they'll clean it up this week and appeal to their fan base. After all, none of us can protest and cause a scene at work. They shouldn't be any different. They're entertainers. Do what you're paid to do. After work, voice your opinion as the first amendment provides you.

It's amazing we as Americans dont stand up for our government trying to deny those officers in 911 and firefighters in 911 trying to pull people out and get denied cancer treatment.

Our government fought tooth and nail to deny them insurance some actually past due to complications, legal process..

We don't say nothing..

It's amazing that we as Americans talk about our Military yet they come home from wars and get treated like s**t denied medical, jobs.


Yet Colin Keapernick kneels or sits for injustice and killings and America is offended????????

They use are patriotism against us and we don't even see it and get mad at the wrong reasons.

Tisk. Tisk. Tisk, Wake up America.

I'm all in for peaceful awareness.

Veterans are well taken care of. I know many are homeless, but some choose that life. Others don't know their entitlements and there are VA personnel that seek out homeless veterans and try to help them.

Originally posted by strickac:

Veterans are well taken care of. I know many are homeless, but some choose that life. Others don't know their entitlements and there are VA personnel that seek out homeless veterans and try to help them.

"People who stay home because they are getting paid enough to get by on disability are worse off," he warned. "They are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol. They are more likely to live alone."

What a waste of human potential, especially since most veterans on disability still have their prime working years ahead of them when they're discharged.


We could redress this problem by changing the way we view — and label — veterans with disabilities. As Gade noted in a recent National Affairs article, "Veterans should be viewed as resources, not as damaged goods." He recommended that "efforts to help veterans should begin by recognizing their abilities rather than focusing exclusively on their disabilities, and should serve the ultimate aim of moving wounded soldiers … to real self-sufficiency."

https://www.google.com/amp/www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1111-harvey-conyers-veterans-disability-20151111-story,amp.html

Are you sure about that????????

To me America looks like hypocrites when they get mad or mention our military with Keapernick..

"The Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America organization reports that on any given night, about 154,000 veterans are homeless. Post-9/11 veterans already make up nearly 2 percent of that number. Complicating their assistance, at least 45 percent of homeless veterans suffer from one or more psychological illnesses, and 70 percent are self-medicating with drugs and alcohol. The Veterans Administration mental health budget has doubled to about $4 billion since 2001; even so, that number falls well short of what the need is estimated to be—up to $6.2 billion."

http://www.uscatholic.org/culture/war-and-peace/2012/10/returning-vets-nobody-knows-trouble-ive-seen

Please don't add to the ignorance... I'm ashamed at the b******t we get mad yet and lose focus of the real issues.

Get mad at these facts.. Get mad at the killings.

People > Fabric-flag

Look man, my brother works with these guys on a daily basis. Ive spent my entire adulthood in the military. The amount of programs and support is astonishing.

Unfortunately, it's somewhat abused and those older vets that truly need the assistance never get it because they don't know help exists

Originally posted by strickac:

Look man, my brother works with these guys on a daily basis. Ive spent my entire adulthood in the military. The amount of programs and support is astonishing.

Unfortunately, it's somewhat abused and those older vets that truly need the assistance never get it because they don't know help exists

Listen man, no one is attacking you or your brother.. Statistics doesn't show its only the older vets.. I'm looking at the facts.

"Among the 1.8 million uninsured veterans, 12.7 percent are under 65. In addition, the number of uninsured veterans has increased by 290,000 between 2000 and 2004, according to the report in the Oct. 30 online edition of the American Journal of Public Health.

"The Bush Administration has been sending Americans overseas asking them to fight for their country, and yet, when people come home, they have no guarantee of health care," said study co-author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and a member of the advocacy group Physicians for a National Health Program. "The most basic human right of health care is being denied to our veterans, along with other Americans -- and that's a disgrace."

"Over 1 million veterans have no health insurance and no access to veterans' hospitals," Woolhandler added. "I think that's shocking to most people. It was certainly shocking to us."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4509219&page=1

Originally posted by mv49erfan:

Originally posted by tondiman:
Sorry man, there are many forms of respect. So when a player is hurt on the field EVERYONE should kneel to show their respect? So you at home watching, you're disrespectful if you don't kneel? I mean common dude, that's flat out nonsense.

I understand the flag has a deeper meaning to some people, but that doesn't justify them to condemn others for not feelingvthe same way. Just like there are differentcways of showing love, there are different ways of showing respect. Those who WANT and CHOOSE to portray players as disrespectful are doing so just as unjustifiably as cops are murdering innocent african americans (and others).

Lastly, just as Trump is creating a smoke screen by attacking the nfl and players, people who don't accept and respect our AMERICAN rights to protest are also creating a smoke screen by using the "military" or "disrespectful" card as way of masking what we all should really be talking about. Police brutality, people getting away with murder, and a justice system that doesn't abide by our constitution in delivering justice to people who are segregated, harassed, and murdered by the people who should be protecting us.

I'm saying it now. Put one of these cops in jail and charge him for the murder they commited and you will see less police brutality, and hence less protests.

I never said everyone including people watching at home should kneel when a player is injured lol... you just put words into my mouth. Do you stand with your hand over your heart when the anthem is played when you're at home? No lol.

Just stop making excuses trying to find ways to explain that's it's respectful to kneel during the national anthem. You sound foolish.

Sir, I never said you said that. I asked you a question. Kneeling is respectful. You just stop making excuses as to why cops get away with murder.

Originally posted by Tombo:

Originally posted by strickac:

Mainly, I just don't see it as productive. It's divisive and meant to strike a nerve. That's why it's being done. Now we have children doing it. GTFOH! This is the least racist our country has ever been. We spent the past decade with a black president.

I firmly believe the more we talk about racism and the more groups isolate themselves, the longer the condition exists.

And yes, it is disrespectful to military when you dishonor our flag and anthem.

Boom! Totally agree on all three statements

Silence would have ended segregation and Him Crow laws much sooner. Those his boycotts, sit-ins and marches were divisive and therefore counter-priductive.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Absolutely LOVE it.

How many people were murdered in Chicago last year? 762. (In one year) Over 4000 people were shot in 2016.

Chicago doesn't even have the highest murder rate per capita. It's not even top ten.

More people have been killed in Chicago over the last ten years than troops in the Iraq/Afghan wars.

Cities with warzone murder rates are spread across the USA. What does this generate? Well, murder is the leading cause of death for all black people age 14-35. That age group was also responsible for committing 53% of this nations murders for 20+ years. This also generates higher levels of police contact.

Unlawful police shootings make up less than 1% of black homicides. The "black community" in America is under siege and we should be taking a knee but not to protest cops we should be protesting these warzone murder rates. Conditions cops have to work in. Black cops, White, Latino and otherwise.

ON AVERAGE black males age 14-45 are FAR more likley to commit gun violence compared to all other demographics. This is why they experience more police contact. Police contact can be dangerous, especially when you don't follow orders. Cops have killed people even when they do follow orders but it's by far not the norm.

Your city is a shining example of why police have become militarized in the US. They're mirroring the brutality in the streets of the USA.

Drug sales and gun violence along with armed robbery and pimping plague large cities and police have to jump into the middle of it all each and every day. You want to minimize police contact? Minimize street violence. Especially gun violence.

Bad cops have abused all races and age groups. Police brutality is an issue but it pales in comparison to this warzone murder culture. Police brutality is actually fed by this culture and by violence from all racial groups but life in the suburbs is far different than life in East Oakland or Garfield Park (Chicago). It's undeniable.


Also, the vast majority of police shooting victims are men. Are cops sexist murderers or are men out there committing more serious violent crime compared to women?

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Listen man, no one is attacking you or your brother.. Statistics doesn't show its only the older vets.. I'm looking at the facts.

"Among the 1.8 million uninsured veterans, 12.7 percent are under 65. In addition, the number of uninsured veterans has increased by 290,000 between 2000 and 2004, according to the report in the Oct. 30 online edition of the American Journal of Public Health.

"The Bush Administration has been sending Americans overseas asking them to fight for their country, and yet, when people come home, they have no guarantee of health care," said study co-author Dr. Steffie Woolhandler, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and a member of the advocacy group Physicians for a National Health Program. "The most basic human right of health care is being denied to our veterans, along with other Americans -- and that's a disgrace."

"Over 1 million veterans have no health insurance and no access to veterans' hospitals," Woolhandler added. "I think that's shocking to most people. It was certainly shocking to us."

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4509219&page=1

I know you're not attacking me. I was just trying to add a different perspective.

For service related injured, I'm pretty sure the VA continues to provide treatment for all veterans. They certaianly do for retirees, but I thought that was extended to all vets for injuries specific to their service. I could be wrong here though.

Disability pay is also available and everything under the sun is claimable. Unfortunately, many vets don't submit a claim for the entitlements and once you leave service it can be difficult to be granted pay for those injuries.

It's not a perfect system, but there is assistance available in most cases. I do feel bad for the older vets though. Many are too stubborn to receive help and these programs didn't exist when they separated.

If anyone claims there isn't training, services and education programs available to help vets transition out of the service, they're are misinformed. Aside from the GI Bill, there's vocational training and apprenticeships that give vets supplemental pay during training and job placement in many cases. Plus, there's preferencial treatment for federal hiring. If today's vet is willing, there's no excuse.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Absolutely LOVE it.

How many people were murdered in Chicago last year? 762. (In one year) Over 4000 people were shot in 2016.

Chicago doesn't even have the highest murder rate per capita. It's not even top ten.

More people have been killed in Chicago over the last ten years than troops in the Iraq/Afghan wars.

Cities with warzone murder rates are spread across the USA. What does this generate? Well, murder is the leading cause of death for all black people age 14-35. That age group was also responsible for committing 53% of this nations murders for 20+ years. This also generates higher levels of police contact.

Unlawful police shootings make up less than 1% of black homicides. The "black community" in America is under siege and we should be taking a knee but not to protest cops we should be protesting these warzone murder rates. Conditions cops have to work in. Black cops, White, Latino and otherwise.

ON AVERAGE black males age 14-45 are FAR more likley to commit gun violence compared to all other demographics. This is why they experience more police contact. Police contact can be dangerous, especially when you don't follow orders. Cops have killed people even when they do follow orders but it's by far not the norm.

Your city is a shining example of why police have become militarized in the US. They're mirroring the brutality in the streets of the USA.

Drug sales and gun violence along with armed robbery and pimping plague large cities and police have to jump into the middle of it all each and every day. You want to minimize police contact? Minimize street violence. Especially gun violence.

Bad cops have abused all races and age groups. Police brutality is an issue but it pales in comparison to this warzone murder culture. Police brutality is actually fed by this culture and by violence from all racial groups but life in the suburbs is far different than life in East Oakland or Garfield Park (Chicago). It's undeniable.


Also, the vast majority of police shooting victims are men. Are cops sexist murderers or are men out there committing more serious violent crime compared to women?

I'll give you Chicago is bad but it still doesn't explain the problem in other areas of the country, which adds to the false narrative, we are not talking about the good officers..

We are talking about a system that is targeting minorities injustice and killing unarmed men.. Thats the real problem... ( meaning not the Keapernick protest)

"Driving While Black: Cops Target Minority Drivers in This Mostly White New Jersey Town"

https://news.vice.com/article/driving-while-black-cops-target-minority-drivers-mostly-white-new-jersey-town

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

How many people were murdered in Chicago last year? 762. (In one year) Over 4000 people were shot in 2016.

Chicago doesn't even have the highest murder rate per capita. It's not even top ten.

More people have been killed in Chicago over the last ten years than troops in the Iraq/Afghan wars.

Cities with warzone murder rates are spread across the USA. What does this generate? Well, murder is the leading cause of death for all black people age 14-35. That age group was also responsible for committing 53% of this nations murders for 20+ years. This also generates higher levels of police contact.

Unlawful police shootings make up less than 1% of black homicides. The "black community" in America is under siege and we should be taking a knee but not to protest cops we should be protesting these warzone murder rates. Conditions cops have to work in. Black cops, White, Latino and otherwise.

ON AVERAGE black males age 14-45 are FAR more likley to commit gun violence compared to all other demographics. This is why they experience more police contact. Police contact can be dangerous, especially when you don't follow orders. Cops have killed people even when they do follow orders but it's by far not the norm.

Your city is a shining example of why police have become militarized in the US. They're mirroring the brutality in the streets of the USA.

Drug sales and gun violence along with armed robbery and pimping plague large cities and police have to jump into the middle of it all each and every day. You want to minimize police contact? Minimize street violence. Especially gun violence.

Bad cops have abused all races and age groups. Police brutality is an issue but it pales in comparison to this warzone murder culture. Police brutality is actually fed by this culture and by violence from all racial groups but life in the suburbs is far different than life in East Oakland or Garfield Park (Chicago). It's undeniable.


Also, the vast majority of police shooting victims are men. Are cops sexist murderers or are men out there committing more serious violent crime compared to women?

Stop with your facts. We'll focus on the 16 black men of the 320,000,000 that were killed last year. And let's not look at those that were resisting arrest.

Cops aren't perfect by any stretch. You couldn't pay me to do their job. They literally deal with the scum of the earth on a regular basis. Most of whom despise their existence and don't respect their authority.

This whole issue represents such a tiny microcosm of America, yet it's all we're focusing on.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

I'll give you Chicago is bad but it still doesn't explain the problem in other areas of the country, which adds to the false narrative, we are not talking about the good officers..

We are talking about a system that is targeting minorities injustice and killing unarmed men.. Thats the real problem... ( meaning not the Keapernick protest)

"Driving While Black: Cops Target Minority Drivers in This Mostly White New Jersey Town"

https://news.vice.com/article/driving-while-black-cops-target-minority-drivers-mostly-white-new-jersey-town

When certain people portray a specific lifestyle more regularly than others, don't you think they're going to garner the most attention?