Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:
If Bortles doesn't throw 3 picks, we probably lose that game. Also, if the Titans are able to gain 1 yard on 3rd down late in the game, we probably lose that game too. The 5-0 record is touted a lot, but a lot of those wins were decided by things outside of his control.

If any one person deserves credit for the 5-0 record, it's Shanahan. He is the one that kept the team together and it's his scheme that allowed JG to be successful. If JG had been traded to the Browns, he'd be out of the league in a few years.

I'm happy we have Shanahan as our HC. I'm happy we have Beathard, his hand-picked QB and the one he traded up to get, in the wings in case Jimmy falters.

But Bortles did throw three picks and the Titans weren't able to gain a yard because of the play of the defense. Football isn't a one player game. Garoppolo did his part and the defense did their part. All of this, "well if this didn't happen that wouldn't have" happened talk is a bit pointless. Seems to me the team earned and deserved every win they got last year.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by susweel:

You can't really go off the college film because the ball is smaller in college.

Well s**t, scouts might as well quit their jobs then because you can't make any proper evaluations due to QBs throwing a half inch smaller football.

Yeah, the game isn't even the same. They might as well scout college baseball pitchers.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

If Bortles doesn't throw 3 picks, we probably lose that game. Also, if the Titans are able to gain 1 yard on 3rd down late in the game, we probably lose that game too. The 5-0 record is touted a lot, but a lot of those wins were decided by things outside of his control.

If any one person deserves credit for the 5-0 record, it's Shanahan. He is the one that kept the team together and it's his scheme that allowed JG to be successful. If JG had been traded to the Browns, he'd be out of the league in a few years.

I'm happy we have Shanahan as our HC. I'm happy we have Beathard, his hand-picked QB and the one he traded up to get, in the wings in case Jimmy falters.

But Bortles did throw three picks and the Titans weren't able to gain a yard because of the play of the defense. Football isn't a one player game. Garoppolo did his part and the defense did their part. All of this, "well if this didn't happen that wouldn't have" happened talk is a bit pointless. Seems to me the team earned and deserved every win they got last year.

I agree, the team did earn each of those wins. My point in bringing up those plays is that Jimmy had nothing to do with them, but they ultimately impacted the outcome of the game. Without the team's combined effort, we don't go 5-0 over those last 5 games. It wasn't just Jimmy.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by susweel:

You can't really go off the college film because the ball is smaller in college.

Well s**t, scouts might as well quit their jobs then because you can't make any proper evaluations due to QBs throwing a half inch smaller football.

Scouts do the best they can with the information they have, but I bet the smaller ball is a big reason why a lot of successful college QBs flame out in the NFL. Some QBs struggle to adapt to the heavier weight.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

I like CJ, but his best quality as an NFL QB is being able to take a beating behind a poor offensive line.

You want to credit Kyle and hope CJ can turn into something someday, but you also must acknowledge that Jimmy made everybody around him better. The O-line, the recievers, and even the play calling. It's fine to not already anoint Jimmy as the next great QB of the NFL, but let's not pretend that the 5-0 run to end the season had nothing to do with him. He's basically the only reason it happened.

Of course it had a lot to do with JG, since he was the QB, but I don't think it's fair to say it's only because of him. Weaker competition and the defense playing better also helped. Perhaps most importantly the 50/50 plays that went against us and caused us to lose a lot of close games earlier in the season started going our way.

Hoyer
54% Completion%
4 TD/4 INT
74.1 Rating

CJ
58% Completion%
4 TD/6 INT
74.1 Rating

JG
67% completion%
7 TD/5 INT
96.2 Rating

What's your point? That the only difference between a 4 year experienced vet and supposedly already the greatest 49ers QB since Montana, a rookie, and a journeyman career backup is a slight difference of about +/- 1 in the ratio of TDs to INTs?

LOL, the point is that you are wrong, isn't that obvious?

That is a significant difference in TD/INT ratios and I am not sure why you consider a 67% to be the same as 54%.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Again go watch his college film plenty of deep ball success. Let's get a full season with jimmy knowing who he's throwing the ball to and has some sort of understanding of the system before saying he's incapable of throw the ball 40+ yards downfield.

You know that Garoppolo could hit 10 deep bombs in a row and the first time he falters people will be back with the same faulty criticism.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

I like CJ, but his best quality as an NFL QB is being able to take a beating behind a poor offensive line.

You want to credit Kyle and hope CJ can turn into something someday, but you also must acknowledge that Jimmy made everybody around him better. The O-line, the recievers, and even the play calling. It's fine to not already anoint Jimmy as the next great QB of the NFL, but let's not pretend that the 5-0 run to end the season had nothing to do with him. He's basically the only reason it happened.

Of course it had a lot to do with JG, since he was the QB, but I don't think it's fair to say it's only because of him. Weaker competition and the defense playing better also helped. Perhaps most importantly the 50/50 plays that went against us and caused us to lose a lot of close games earlier in the season started going our way.

Hoyer
54% Completion%
4 TD/4 INT
74.1 Rating

CJ
58% Completion%
4 TD/6 INT
74.1 Rating

JG
67% completion%
7 TD/5 INT
96.2 Rating

What's your point? That the only difference between a 4 year experienced vet and supposedly already the greatest 49ers QB since Montana, a rookie, and a journeyman career backup is a slight difference of about +/- 1 in the ratio of TDs to INTs?

LOL, the point is that you are wrong, isn't that obvious?

That is a significant difference in TD/INT ratios and I am not sure why you consider a 67% to be the same as 54%.

A higher completion percentage doesn't mean a lot on its own. It could just mean that the QB doesn't take chances or attempt very many deep passes. Most of JG's completions were short yardage throws, so that makes sense.

Originally posted by theduke85:
Fans like you are absolutely insufferable. VaBeach, too.

Do you know it's possible to simultaneously believe Garoppolo is a FQB and the QB Of The Future, while also conceding that maybe the Jacksonville game was only a good -- but not amazing -- game on his part? I honestly think believe you think the answer to that question is "no", because the amount of insecurity dripping from your post is embarrassing.

God, posts like this make me barely even able to stomach this board. Homer fans are the worst.

I mean he completed 70% of his balls (21/30) and he used the middle of the field with FB/TEs. IMO it was harder to do because their CBs on the outside are outstanding (and we had Louis Murphy and Goodwin as our top WRs that game) basically they took away part of the field and he STILL made the throws.

It was great play calling and great QB play...Ramsey should say I took Louis Murphy out of the game lol.

personally I liked the final drive in the Titans game.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Scouts do the best they can with the information they have, but I bet the smaller ball is a big reason why a lot of successful college QBs flame out in the NFL. Some QBs struggle to adapt to the heavier weight.

I bet you could talk to 30 scouts and GMs wouldn't find a single one who agrees with that.

QBs flame out for a lot of reasons but I wouldn't put a minor size/weight difference of the football anywhere in the top ten. Most of them have to do with what the QB has going on between the ears, not so much the physical aspect. The NFL game is just a lot faster, defenders are bigger and smarter, defensive schemes are far more complicated, the guys who are truly physically limited, were physically limited in college rarely get taken before the 5th or 6th round.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by susweel:
You can't really go off the college film because the ball is smaller in college.

Lol stop it

An NFL football will measure 11" long with a 22" circumference at the midway point. Unless it is being used by the Patriots (joke Pats fans, joke), the air pressure should be between 12-1/2 psi and 13-1/2 psi. A college ball (D1) will be just slightly smaller (1/2" in length and 1" circumference).

It's one of the dumbest rebuttals I've heard yet lol

lol
naw, try to keep up with Jack49ers84 posts... They will entertain you for hours

Oh I have dude has Iowa Hawkeye alumni written all over him

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Again go watch his college film plenty of deep ball success. Let's get a full season with jimmy knowing who he's throwing the ball to and has some sort of understanding of the system before saying he's incapable of throw the ball 40+ yards downfield.

You know that Garoppolo could hit 10 deep bombs in a row and the first time he falters people will be back with the same faulty criticism.

If Garoppolo hits 10 straight deep bombs, I personally would drop any criticism I've levied against his deep passing accuracy. To me, that would be a great sign that JG is willing to work hard to improve and corrected the flaws in his mechanics that that one guy on YouTube pointed out.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:
If Bortles doesn't throw 3 picks, we probably lose that game. Also, if the Titans are able to gain 1 yard on 3rd down late in the game, we probably lose that game too. The 5-0 record is touted a lot, but a lot of those wins were decided by things outside of his control.

If any one person deserves credit for the 5-0 record, it's Shanahan. He is the one that kept the team together and it's his scheme that allowed JG to be successful. If JG had been traded to the Browns, he'd be out of the league in a few years.

I'm happy we have Shanahan as our HC. I'm happy we have Beathard, his hand-picked QB and the one he traded up to get, in the wings in case Jimmy falters.

But Bortles did throw three picks and the Titans weren't able to gain a yard because of the play of the defense. Football isn't a one player game. Garoppolo did his part and the defense did their part. All of this, "well if this didn't happen that wouldn't have" happened talk is a bit pointless. Seems to me the team earned and deserved every win they got last year.

I agree, the team did earn each of those wins. My point in bringing up those plays is that Jimmy had nothing to do with them, but they ultimately impacted the outcome of the game. Without the team's combined effort, we don't go 5-0 over those last 5 games. It wasn't just Jimmy.

The team didn't get an infusion of new/good/great players the last 5 games. Jimmy didn't have T. Brown and P. Garcon out there.
The common denominator for the change in those last 5 games is Jimmy G.
For you to come in and say CJ could have won those games is crazy talk, because CJ got some games and he won one against one of the worst D's in the league last year.

Hey no one knows if Jimmy G will be the franchise QB for the next 10 years, but lets hope he is. He plays well, he's a great leader and communicates well with the team on the field and on the sidelines. Any miked up clips shows that.
He understands defenses well, and he's quick and accurate as f**k.

It looks to me your trying your hardest to take away what Jimmy G was able to do in the last 5 games, which I don't quite understand.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

I like CJ, but his best quality as an NFL QB is being able to take a beating behind a poor offensive line.

You want to credit Kyle and hope CJ can turn into something someday, but you also must acknowledge that Jimmy made everybody around him better. The O-line, the recievers, and even the play calling. It's fine to not already anoint Jimmy as the next great QB of the NFL, but let's not pretend that the 5-0 run to end the season had nothing to do with him. He's basically the only reason it happened.

Of course it had a lot to do with JG, since he was the QB, but I don't think it's fair to say it's only because of him. Weaker competition and the defense playing better also helped. Perhaps most importantly the 50/50 plays that went against us and caused us to lose a lot of close games earlier in the season started going our way.

Hoyer
54% Completion%
4 TD/4 INT
74.1 Rating

CJ
58% Completion%
4 TD/6 INT
74.1 Rating

JG
67% completion%
7 TD/5 INT
96.2 Rating

What's your point? That the only difference between a 4 year experienced vet and supposedly already the greatest 49ers QB since Montana, a rookie, and a journeyman career backup is a slight difference of about +/- 1 in the ratio of TDs to INTs?

LOL, the point is that you are wrong, isn't that obvious?

That is a significant difference in TD/INT ratios and I am not sure why you consider a 67% to be the same as 54%.

A higher completion percentage doesn't mean a lot on its own. It could just mean that the QB doesn't take chances or attempt very many deep passes. Most of JG's completions were short yardage throws, so that makes sense.

LOL

QB: Y/A, AY/A, Y/C
JG: 8.8, 8.3, 13.0
BH: 6.1, 5.6, 10.5
CB: 6.4, 5.5, 11.6

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

A higher completion percentage doesn't mean a lot on its own. It could just mean that the QB doesn't take chances or attempt very many deep passes. Most of JG's completions were short yardage throws, so that makes sense.

A higher completion percentage AND a higher YPA mean a lot.


CJ Beathard is elite at one thing and one thing only, taking a beating. Great trait for a backup QB to have which is good since that is likely all he will ever be.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Scouts do the best they can with the information they have, but I bet the smaller ball is a big reason why a lot of successful college QBs flame out in the NFL. Some QBs struggle to adapt to the heavier weight.

I bet you could talk to 30 scouts and GMs wouldn't find a single one who agrees with that.

QBs flame out for a lot of reasons but I wouldn't put a minor size/weight difference of the football anywhere in the top ten. Most of them have to do with what the QB has going on between the ears, not so much the physical aspect. The NFL game is just a lot faster, defenders are bigger and smarter, defensive schemes are far more complicated, the guys who are truly physically limited, were physically limited in college rarely get taken before the 5th or 6th round.

It's true that there are a lot of adjustments from the college to the pro game. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that the significant difference in weight/size of the ball could affect deep ball accuracy, especially for players that don't have great arm strength/mechanics.