Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Here's some fun facts....both Jimmy and CJ started 5 games in '17. Here's their breakdowns based on over and under 20 yard pass attempts.

CJ completed 57% of his passes under 20 yards and 43% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 88% under 12% over.

Jimmy G completed 74% of his passes under 20 yards and 38% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 82 under 18% over.

I'm sorry it's not even close and this whole discussion is troll-like. There's no way I'm taking a 5% improvement in passes over 20 yard for a decrease of 17% under 20. Jimmy G was even more aggressive downfield in comparison to CJ. I don't dislike CJ at all....he's just not in the same galaxy as Jimmy. Just watch the games....our offense hasn't looked like it did with Jimmy since the 90s.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

lol you guys still feeding him

I know...ya clearly he's a bit bias.

I've laid out a stat sheet chalk full of info that shows how much Jimmy improve not only the offense but the defense as well. There's really no denying it, the proof is in the pudding.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

A higher completion percentage doesn't mean a lot on its own. It could just mean that the QB doesn't take chances or attempt very many deep passes. Most of JG's completions were short yardage throws, so that makes sense.

A higher completion percentage AND a higher YPA mean a lot.


CJ Beathard is elite at one thing and one thing only, taking a beating. Great trait for a backup QB to have which is good since that is likely all he will ever be.

Do you think that is the reason that Shanahan traded up to get him? I think you're selling CJ awfully short. Shanahan wouldn't have hand picked him in the 3rd round just to be a tackling dummy.

Using your logic, why would Kyle trade a 2nd round pick for Jimmy if he just traded up to take CJ in the third?

Because JG is a good QB? Why wouldn't Shanahan trade for him? He can like both QBs and have confidence in both to run his offense.

You don't trade a 2nd round pick for a guy if you have faith in the guy you just traded up to get in the 3rd less than a year before. Maybe in another position, but not QB. There's only 1 spot.

If he didn't have faith in him, he wouldn't be the only other QB on the roster that's likely to make it to the 53 man. If Shanahan didn't have faith in him, he might have drafted another developmental QB this year or brought in an experienced vet. Shanahan clearly feels good about Beathard and JG as his QBs. You guys talk about Beathard like he's just a glorified tackling dummy or a stunt double for Jimmy, but you'll be eating those words when Beathard 2.0, now an experienced veteran QB, shows up this year and lights up the preseason. Let's hope JG is up to the competition.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Here's some fun facts....both Jimmy and CJ started 5 games in '17. Here's their breakdowns based on over and under 20 yard pass attempts.

CJ completed 57% of his passes under 20 yards and 43% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 88% under 12% over.

Jimmy G completed 74% of his passes under 20 yards and 38% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 82 under 18% over.

I'm sorry it's not even close and this whole discussion is troll-like. There's no way I'm taking a 5% improvement in passes over 20 yard for a decrease of 17% under 20. Jimmy G was even more aggressive downfield in comparison to CJ. I don't dislike CJ at all....he's just not in the same galaxy as Jimmy. Just watch the games....our offense hasn't looked like it did with Jimmy since the 90s.

should add 3rd down conversions which is the money maker stat

Originally posted by Niners816:

Here's some fun facts....both Jimmy and CJ started 5 games in '17. Here's their breakdowns based on over and under 20 yard pass attempts.

CJ completed 57% of his passes under 20 yards and 43% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 88% under 12% over.

Jimmy G completed 74% of his passes under 20 yards and 38% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 82 under 18% over.

I'm sorry it's not even close and this whole discussion is troll-like. There's no way I'm taking a 5% improvement in passes over 20 yard for a decrease of 17% under 20. Jimmy G was even more aggressive downfield in comparison to CJ. I don't dislike CJ at all....he's just not in the same galaxy as Jimmy. Just watch the games....our offense hasn't looked like it did with Jimmy since the 90s.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Here's some fun facts....both Jimmy and CJ started 5 games in '17. Here's their breakdowns based on over and under 20 yard pass attempts.

CJ completed 57% of his passes under 20 yards and 43% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 88% under 12% over.

Jimmy G completed 74% of his passes under 20 yards and 38% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 82 under 18% over.

I'm sorry it's not even close and this whole discussion is troll-like. There's no way I'm taking a 5% improvement in passes over 20 yard for a decrease of 17% under 20. Jimmy G was even more aggressive downfield in comparison to CJ. I don't dislike CJ at all....he's just not in the same galaxy as Jimmy. Just watch the games....our offense hasn't looked like it did with Jimmy since the 90s.

CJ was a rookie last year. JG got to spend 3 1/2 years learning from the GOAT in a championship environment. CJ got 6 games learning from Brian Hoyer before being thrown behind arguably the worst offensive line of all time. He didn't even have Staley or Brown for a lot of his starts. JG at least had Staley back. No QB would succeed with the hand that Beathard was given. Not as a rookie learning a complex offense. Obviously Shanahan was impressed with what he saw or he wouldnt have made Beathard the guy.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

should add 3rd down conversions which is the money maker stat

Jimmy G 35/70 which is 50%. CJ 28/73 which is 38%. 50% is Steve and Joe territory.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by Niners816:
Here's some fun facts....both Jimmy and CJ started 5 games in '17. Here's their breakdowns based on over and under 20 yard pass attempts.

CJ completed 57% of his passes under 20 yards and 43% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 88% under 12% over.

Jimmy G completed 74% of his passes under 20 yards and 38% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 82 under 18% over.

I'm sorry it's not even close and this whole discussion is troll-like. There's no way I'm taking a 5% improvement in passes over 20 yard for a decrease of 17% under 20. Jimmy G was even more aggressive downfield in comparison to CJ. I don't dislike CJ at all....he's just not in the same galaxy as Jimmy. Just watch the games....our offense hasn't looked like it did with Jimmy since the 90s.

CJ was a rookie last year. JG got to spend 3 1/2 years learning from the GOAT in a championship environment. CJ got 6 games learning from Brian Hoyer before being thrown behind arguably the worst offensive line of all time. He didn't even have Staley or Brown for a lot of his starts. JG at least had Staley back. No QB would succeed with the hand that Beathard was given. Not as a rookie learning a complex offense. Obviously Shanahan was impressed with what he saw or he wouldnt have made Beathard the guy.

Staley only missed one game

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Here's some fun facts....both Jimmy and CJ started 5 games in '17. Here's their breakdowns based on over and under 20 yard pass attempts.

CJ completed 57% of his passes under 20 yards and 43% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 88% under 12% over.

Jimmy G completed 74% of his passes under 20 yards and 38% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 82 under 18% over.

I'm sorry it's not even close and this whole discussion is troll-like. There's no way I'm taking a 5% improvement in passes over 20 yard for a decrease of 17% under 20. Jimmy G was even more aggressive downfield in comparison to CJ. I don't dislike CJ at all....he's just not in the same galaxy as Jimmy. Just watch the games....our offense hasn't looked like it did with Jimmy since the 90s.

CJ was a rookie last year. JG got to spend 3 1/2 years learning from the GOAT in a championship environment. CJ got 6 games learning from Brian Hoyer before being thrown behind arguably the worst offensive line of all time. He didn't even have Staley or Brown for a lot of his starts. JG at least had Staley back. No QB would succeed with the hand that Beathard was given. Not as a rookie learning a complex offense. Obviously Shanahan was impressed with what he saw or he wouldnt have made Beathard the guy.

Those are all valid points. Im a jimmy fan and not too high on beathard however if jimmy falters i hope beathard can prove his worth.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

should add 3rd down conversions which is the money maker stat

Went from 26th to 3rd in the league

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

CJ was a rookie last year. JG got to spend 3 1/2 years learning from the GOAT in a championship environment. CJ got 6 games learning from Brian Hoyer before being thrown behind arguably the worst offensive line of all time. He didn't even have Staley or Brown for a lot of his starts. JG at least had Staley back. No QB would succeed with the hand that Beathard was given. Not as a rookie learning a complex offense. Obviously Shanahan was impressed with what he saw or he wouldnt have made Beathard the guy.

His not a bad player....he's just not Garropolo. CJ was a rookie true...but Jimmy put up Steve and Joe Era type offensive numbers with about 3 weeks in the offense. 28 ppg and 410 ypg puts you confortably in the top 5 in the league every year. Some years those numbers lead the league.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

should add 3rd down conversions which is the money maker stat

Jimmy G 35/70 which is 50%. CJ 28/73 which is 38%. 50% is Steve and Joe territory.

No, it's not Steve and Joe territory, because Steve and Joe did it for more than 5 games.

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

should add 3rd down conversions which is the money maker stat

Jimmy G 35/70 which is 50%. CJ 28/73 which is 38%. 50% is Steve and Joe territory.

No, it's not Steve and Joe territory, because Steve and Joe did it for more than 5 games.

No f**king s**t....that wasn't the point. 50% conversion on third down is elite and that's why when we got a QB operating at that level the offense went nuts and started to look like the good old days.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Here's some fun facts....both Jimmy and CJ started 5 games in '17. Here's their breakdowns based on over and under 20 yard pass attempts.

CJ completed 57% of his passes under 20 yards and 43% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 88% under 12% over.

Jimmy G completed 74% of his passes under 20 yards and 38% over 20. His ratio of under and over 20 yards was 82 under 18% over.

I'm sorry it's not even close and this whole discussion is troll-like. There's no way I'm taking a 5% improvement in passes over 20 yard for a decrease of 17% under 20. Jimmy G was even more aggressive downfield in comparison to CJ. I don't dislike CJ at all....he's just not in the same galaxy as Jimmy. Just watch the games....our offense hasn't looked like it did with Jimmy since the 90s.

Beathard looked like every other QB this team had after Garcia minus post 2010 Alex and 2012 to 2013 Kaepernick. Just a guy. Might develop into something worthwhile but I wouldn't bet my house on it.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Staley only missed one game

And jimmy had T brown for half a game. Throw in no Garcon and no off season to learn Kyle Shanahan's offense. CJ was awarded that.

Learning behind Brady is all fine and dandy, but he didn't get the reps (Brady did) and McDaniels scheme/verbiage isn't even close to the same as Kyle's.

Facts are what CJ was poor at in college was exactly the same in the pros...I'm not gonna say he can't improve he's a rookie. BUT the overall QB play between the two isn't even remotely close and stats back it up.