Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

So what's new in the Jimmy Gorgeous thread?

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by RonMexico:
I'm so happy

Originally posted by dj43:

PFF's ratings are season-long. Toward the end of 2014, Carr was trending up.

From what I remember (and I paid for PFF) he was 32nd at the end of the yr.

Originally posted by thl408:

I don't have PFF but I like when they post obscure stats related to how they chart things. For example, "this team has a 4.2 yards per rush when running to the left side while in 12 personnel". They got a bunch of cool stuff in that area. But the player ratings are extremely flawed. Who do you think had a better game? The OT that blocked Von Miller all game and got a 70 rating, or the guy that blocked Eli Harold all game and got a 90 rating? Exactly.

Totally agree

I think it was a great trade. If we draft a rookie QB, it will take years before they are ready and Shanahan/Lynch won't last. Need to see some quick improvement in year 2, and this makes that a realistic possibility.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.

Belichick does not lose on trades.

Chandler Jones has been killing it for the Cards and is one of the best young edge rushers in football. Jamie Collins had played well for the Browns and Jacoby Brisett overall has done a decent job of stepping as QB for Indy.

Meanwhile what happened with Kony Ealy? Dwayne Allen has been garbage in NE despite being paid a ton. You need to download the new update for your talking points.

Ascribing some mystical qualities to Belichick is silly. The reality is that the Patriots tried to extend Garoppolo but were unable to give him the starting job that he covets so they had to get back something or lose him for nothing potentially.

Why didn't they get more back? Because no one was offering more for an 8 game audition of a QB with a couple NFL starts. No conspiracy, nothing sinister about it.

Originally posted by Jcool:

FWIW: Just because Carr is now a top QB doesn't mean in 2014 he was a top QB. He had a 76.6 QB rating with 22 INT/Fumbles while completing less then 60% of his passes & Oakland went 3-13.

So you think he should be ranked 32nd in the league though? Cam has a horrible yr that yr from what I remember...I don't think Carr was the worst starting qb but PFF did

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.

Belichick does not lose on trades. He knows how to make it so that all his coaches and players would fail anywhere else. He teaches them to fail without him, and they don't realize it. He's the greatest chess player of all time.

He makes it so his players can't succeed outside the Patriots' gimmick offensive and defensive systems, and he makes it so his coaches have no idea how to implement what he does anywhere else. The man is a twisted genius. Last year's Patriots team was the least talented roster in the NFL, and he made them 17-2 and Super Bowl champions.

The NFL runs through Belichick. You have a chance to win when he decides he's going to give you a chance to win. Our only hope is that Belichick just felt bad about letting Jimmy's career go to waste backing up Brady for another 5 years. Otherwise, we're going to see Jed talking about "accountability" and how he wants to "compete to with Shuper Bowlsh" after a couple firings in another 3-4 years.

So much wrong in this post. Did pats win on the Dwayne Allen trade or the Cooks trade? Saints seem to be doing perfectly fine without him. And they got a first instead of having to destroy their salary cap next year. Dwayne Allen hasn't done s**t.

Did they win when they sent their second rounder for Kony Ealy(who isn't even on the roster anymore) and a third? Hell no.

You said last years pats were the least talented team??? And won the super bowl , the f**k.

Maybe hop off Belichecks nuts ? You're acting like he's a god and it's weird.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.

Belichick does not lose on trades. He knows how to make it so that all his coaches and players would fail anywhere else. He teaches them to fail without him, and they don't realize it. He's the greatest chess player of all time.

He makes it so his players can't succeed outside the Patriots' gimmick offensive and defensive systems, and he makes it so his coaches have no idea how to implement what he does anywhere else. The man is a twisted genius. Last year's Patriots team was the least talented roster in the NFL, and he made them 17-2 and Super Bowl champions.

The NFL runs through Belichick. You have a chance to win when he decides he's going to give you a chance to win. Our only hope is that Belichick just felt bad about letting Jimmy's career go to waste backing up Brady for another 5 years. Otherwise, we're going to see Jed talking about "accountability" and how he wants to "compete to with Shuper Bowlsh" after a couple firings in another 3-4 years.

If Belichick didn't think highly of Jimmy they would've traded him during the offseason. We know the Browns wanted him. We know the Browns were calling the Pats. The Pats tried to keep him but it became clear he wasn't going to stay for what they were offering and they couldn't franchise him without hurting the team and Brady was playing at a high level.

This is not Matt Cassel. This kid had question marks like many prospects but the biggest questions with Jimmy were his level of competition and the offense he ran at EIU. He showed everyone he can play in the NFL and he can master a complex offense. You may still question whether he can hold up a full season but the guy is bigger than Aaron Rodgers. Sometimes it's just bad luck. We just saw a similar situation with Rodgers and we saw it before with Alex Smith. A defender smashes you into the ground and usually shoulders can only take so much.

And for the bold part, you should see how he's done in trades lately. He's losing his shine when it comes to those moves.

Jamie Collins to the Browns, I'd say Browns won that one.
Chandler Jones to Arizona, Arizona definitely won that one.
Kony Ealy from Carolina, Carolina easily won as Ealy was cut
Dwayne Allen from Indy, dude has been invisible

There are probably others but this isnt back in the mid 2000s where he was sending guys away who did nothing.

There's no guarantee Jimmy will be a stud here but don't let the idea that Belichick wouldn't trade him away if he was any good fool you.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
So much wrong in this post. Did pats win on the Dwayne Allen trade or the Cooks trade? Saints seem to be doing perfectly fine without him. And they got a first instead of having to destroy their salary cap next year. Dwayne Allen hasn't done s**t.

Did they win when they sent their second rounder for Kony Ealy(who isn't even on the roster anymore) and a third? Hell no.

You said last years pats were the least talented team??? And won the super bowl , the f**k.

Maybe hop off Belichecks nuts ? You're acting like he's a god and it's weird.

Damnit....I write that book and you b*****ds beat me to it...

From yesterday...get it done

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.

Belichick does not lose on trades. He knows how to make it so that all his coaches and players would fail anywhere else. He teaches them to fail without him, and they don't realize it. He's the greatest chess player of all time.

He makes it so his players can't succeed outside the Patriots' gimmick offensive and defensive systems, and he makes it so his coaches have no idea how to implement what he does anywhere else. The man is a twisted genius. Last year's Patriots team was the least talented roster in the NFL, and he made them 17-2 and Super Bowl champions.

The NFL runs through Belichick. You have a chance to win when he decides he's going to give you a chance to win. Our only hope is that Belichick just felt bad about letting Jimmy's career go to waste backing up Brady for another 5 years. Otherwise, we're going to see Jed talking about "accountability" and how he wants to "compete to with Shuper Bowlsh" after a couple firings in another 3-4 years.

So much wrong in this post. Did pats win on the Dwayne Allen trade or the Cooks trade? Saints seem to be doing perfectly fine without him. And they got a first instead of having to destroy their salary cap next year. Dwayne Allen hasn't done s**t.

Did they win when they sent their second rounder for Kony Ealy(who isn't even on the roster anymore) and a third? Hell no.

You said last years pats were the least talented team??? And won the super bowl , the f**k.

Maybe hop off Belichecks nuts ? You're acting like he's a god and it's weird.

You could add the Dorsett trade as well...what has that dude done?

Just because Bill made some good moves a while ago doesn't mean he's gonna win every trade...and just from listening to him talk he didn't want to move jimmy G but had no choice.

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
I think it was a great trade. If we draft a rookie QB, it will take years before they are ready and Shanahan/Lynch won't last. Need to see some quick improvement in year 2, and this makes that a realistic possibility.

This was a FANTASTIC trade. Even if it doesn't work out a 2nd round pick(especially when you have 2 of them) is always worth a shot to find a starting QB when that kid was a pretty good prospect entering the league and has game experience and mentorship from guys of the caliber of Brady and Belichick.

I'm shocked that some people aren't thrilled about this. I'm still smiling.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.

Belichick does not lose on trades. He knows how to make it so that all his coaches and players would fail anywhere else. He teaches them to fail without him, and they don't realize it. He's the greatest chess player of all time.

He makes it so his players can't succeed outside the Patriots' gimmick offensive and defensive systems, and he makes it so his coaches have no idea how to implement what he does anywhere else. The man is a twisted genius. Last year's Patriots team was the least talented roster in the NFL, and he made them 17-2 and Super Bowl champions.

The NFL runs through Belichick. You have a chance to win when he decides he's going to give you a chance to win. Our only hope is that Belichick just felt bad about letting Jimmy's career go to waste backing up Brady for another 5 years. Otherwise, we're going to see Jed talking about "accountability" and how he wants to "compete to with Shuper Bowlsh" after a couple firings in another 3-4 years.

dude.... get a grip....

The Patriots have had a great coach, helped by a HOF at QB. HOF QBs help bring stability and make everyone else look good. The Pats are a blue chip club and the gold standard of teams.

This team needs some of the Pats shine. A second rounder, brought in a leader who has seen how a successful QB trains, and how the club should run. We know he can run an offense in the NFL, we just need to put him a place that he can find success.

We don't need him to be Joe Montana or Tom Brady, it was only a second rounder. We bought a shot at NOT having to groom a QB from scratch, to jump start the rebuild.