Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
According to Maiocco, he's going to be active on Sunday.

Kinda has to be, who else is gonna be the backup for Beathard?

They could have promoted Nick Mullens.

i don't think so

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
woooo !

Here's hoping CJ brings his big boy pads cuz Jimmy needs to stay on those sidelines until at least after the bye week.

Kyle knows what's up. telling it like it is.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.

Belichick does not lose on trades. He knows how to make it so that all his coaches and players would fail anywhere else. He teaches them to fail without him, and they don't realize it. He's the greatest chess player of all time.

He makes it so his players can't succeed outside the Patriots' gimmick offensive and defensive systems, and he makes it so his coaches have no idea how to implement what he does anywhere else. The man is a twisted genius. Last year's Patriots team was the least talented roster in the NFL, and he made them 17-2 and Super Bowl champions.

The NFL runs through Belichick. You have a chance to win when he decides he's going to give you a chance to win. Our only hope is that Belichick just felt bad about letting Jimmy's career go to waste backing up Brady for another 5 years. Otherwise, we're going to see Jed talking about "accountability" and how he wants to "compete to with Shuper Bowlsh" after a couple firings in another 3-4 years.

Since when is an Erhardt-Perkins offense a gimmick? In fact, it's one of the 3 main pro offenses.

That's not even remotely what they're running. You're classifying it as something from over 30 years ago based on a freak'n tree.

Originally posted by luv49rs:
i don't think so

Why couldn't they? Nothing good is going to happen by putting JG into a game this early if Beathard gets hurt.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
im guessing a Brock Osweiler type of deal. Maybe 3 years, $20M per year

If we're smart we'll lock him up for 4-5 year deal but we'll see which way it goes.

Jimmy does only have a small sample size so the question is will he want to get more money now or take a chance on himself and be up for a new contract sooner rather than later.

if I'm the 49ers I'm paying a little more than I probably should based on the short sample size to get him locked down longer. Assuming he doesn't fall apart completely the next deal he gets will get him paid like a top 5 QB which happens with pretty much every QB contract these days regardless if the QB is actually a top 5 QB.

idk man. i have a good feeling he will be a good QB but you never know. I think a smart 3 year contract protects our future. I mean if he does turn out good and we are winning, then im sure an extension after the second year will be very easy. Might cost us more in 3 years but its worth the risk mitigation. Plus if he out performs that $20M a year on a 5 to 6 year contract and is a top 5 QB, you bet his agent will be breaking down Lynch's door asking for more money

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Belichick traded those two because they were freelancing. The Patriots' defense improved after both of them were moved. Belichick doesn't care about anything other than the fact that players follow his instructions, because they're always correct and they will always result in success. Football players are nothing more than mercenaries to Belichick.

Bringing in players is different from exporting them. Belichick brings in guys he thinks might grasp his schemes well. When he guesses wrong, it's not big deal. They're history.

If Belichick thought Jimmy G was the guy to take over for Tom Brady after he retires, he would just have him signed long-term. The Patriots have a team of interchangeable scrubs outside the QB position, so they have plenty of cap space.

Again, you'd better hope that Belichick is doing this because he likes the guy and wants him to get what he deserves somewhere else.

Do you not understand that they DID actually try to sign jimmy G all off seaon and into this yr? Bill even talked about it in his press-release. Once they realized that jimmy G wasn't gonna take backup money and that they weren't gonna tag their backup (giving him top 5 money) which would pay him MORE than Brady, well they needed to get something for him....it's not rocket science dude. This was the last shot on them trading him and that's what they did.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
I have no problem with that rating. As for Cam Newton: 82.1 QB rating. So not sure where he was ranked but slightly better season?

2014 cam had 18 TDs and 12 INTs

Edit: I see you changed it

Tier 3

Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers (75.5)

Newton is similar to Tannehill in that he has always been a consistently good quarterback, though the numbers don't always reflect his play. He got as little help from his playmakers as any quarterback in the league last year, as his PFF pass rating ranked 13th while his passer rating was only 33rd. He does bring a special dimension with his ability in the run game that helps his rank here.

Tier 4

Derek Carr, Oakland Raiders (51.6)

There were enough good games to give hope to the Raiders that Carr is their guy, but his rookie season was still marred with inconsistency. He struggled against pressure and against the blitz, two areas where he needs to make major improvements if he's going to be the franchise guy in Oakland.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/ranking-all-32-nfl-starting-qbs

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by luv49rs:
i don't think so

Why couldn't they? Nothing good is going to happen by putting JG into a game this early if Beathard gets hurt.

i mean, they could. but it would be a really bad idea. i guess it couldn't get much worse though

Originally posted by luv49rs:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by luv49rs:
i don't think so

Why couldn't they? Nothing good is going to happen by putting JG into a game this early if Beathard gets hurt.

i mean, they could. but it would be a really bad idea. i guess it couldn't get much worse though

A worse idea than sending Garappolo out there behind an injured O-line 6 days after he got here? It's not about winning the game. I don't think Mullens playing would give us any chance at all, and I want to see Garappolo play multiple games this year, but there's nothing good in my mind that could come from him playing this week.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

That's not even remotely what they're running. You're classifying it as something from over 30 years ago based on a freak'n tree.

You're wrong....they run an E-P. its based on naming 2 man routes and 3 man route combos. All these concepts are the same as other offenses they just call them different stuff. Over time, they've borrowed some air raid concepts and have used tempo. There's nothing gimmicky about their offense. The whole point of the E-P is to be flexible and they've done that quite well.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

I have no problem with that rating. As for Cam Newton: 82.1 QB rating. So not sure where he was ranked but slightly better season?

2014 cam had 18 TDs and 12 INTs

Edit: I see you changed it

Tier 3

Cam Newton, Carolina Panthers (75.5)

Newton is similar to Tannehill in that he has always been a consistently good quarterback, though the numbers don't always reflect his play. He got as little help from his playmakers as any quarterback in the league last year, as his PFF pass rating ranked 13th while his passer rating was only 33rd. He does bring a special dimension with his ability in the run game that helps his rank here.

Tier 4

Derek Carr, Oakland Raiders (51.6)

There were enough good games to give hope to the Raiders that Carr is their guy, but his rookie season was still marred with inconsistency. He struggled against pressure and against the blitz, two areas where he needs to make major improvements if he's going to be the franchise guy in Oakland.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/ranking-all-32-nfl-starting-qbs

I was just going off the chart you get ranking every player and their position when you pay for it. I'm not throwing down cash for it anymore so I can't take a screen shot. It had Carr at 32.

Like I said I like PFF but in know way am I saying it's the end all be all. If you feel like it is more power to ya

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Belichick traded those two because they were freelancing. The Patriots' defense improved after both of them were moved. Belichick doesn't care about anything other than the fact that players follow his instructions, because they're always correct and they will always result in success. Football players are nothing more than mercenaries to Belichick.

Bringing in players is different from exporting them. Belichick brings in guys he thinks might grasp his schemes well. When he guesses wrong, it's not big deal. They're history.

If Belichick thought Jimmy G was the guy to take over for Tom Brady after he retires, he would just have him signed long-term. The Patriots have a team of interchangeable scrubs outside the QB position, so they have plenty of cap space.

Again, you'd better hope that Belichick is doing this because he likes the guy and wants him to get what he deserves somewhere else.

I'll let you into a little secret as well. Belichick is moving towards retirement. As soon as he saw that Brady was good for another couple of seasons, his mind was made up. They couldnt keep them both so Garoppolo was shipped out for the best offer on the table.

With Brady staying on for another couple of years it was just not possible to keep them both. Salary cap.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
According to Maiocco, he's going to be active on Sunday. CJ and him will remain as the only 2 QBs on the 53-man roster.

woooo !

LOL ...never gets old.

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by luv49rs:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by luv49rs:
i don't think so

Why couldn't they? Nothing good is going to happen by putting JG into a game this early if Beathard gets hurt.

i mean, they could. but it would be a really bad idea. i guess it couldn't get much worse though

A worse idea than sending Garappolo out there behind an injured O-line 6 days after he got here? It's not about winning the game. I don't think Mullens playing would give us any chance at all, and I want to see Garappolo play multiple games this year, but there's nothing good in my mind that could come from him playing this week.

well, i can't say i disagree with any of that.