Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

well i hope nothing bad happens to CJ on sunday, stay healthy little dude

man if Jimmy is foreal, we still got a shot at wildcard!

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
That's not even remotely what they're running. You're classifying it as something from over 30 years ago based on a freak'n tree.

You're wrong....they run an E-P. its based on naming 2 man routes and 3 man route combos. All these concepts are the same as other offenses they just call them different stuff. Over time, they've borrowed some air raid concepts and have used tempo. There's nothing gimmicky about their offense. The whole point of the E-P is to be flexible and they've done that quite well.

LOL. The Patriots' offense is the single most gimmicky thing in the history of organized sports. There's a reason they can plug any journeyman scrub in at slot receiver and feed him 120 catches per season. It's a spread underneath passing game with run-and-shoot principles, before they bring it in and go 2 tight end sets and power run.

Nobody else is running anything like it. If Jimmy expects things to work the way they did there, where Bill took the least talented roster in the NFL and went 17-2 and won a SB with it, he's in for a world of hurt.

I seriously suggest people take a look at last year's Patriots SB winner. Outside of Tom Brady, there is not a guy who was on their active roster last year here who could start for any other team in the NFL. Not even here. Remember, Gronkowski was on IR (and even he would have nowhere near the success he has had with them on another team).

Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

We must also remember that Garoppolo started all of two games in NFL, two games in a very established system, with a capable OC. Two games, that's before opposing DC had chance to study him, game plan against him. He may have all the tools, or even some special ones, but no one knows.

Luckily, we have not make any big investment, and we get to kick the tires before we commit. So I say, play him ASAP to find out. The absolute worst case would be he played and he shown flashes, then get hurt. We out of desperation, commit big bucks, long term on those few flashes. Only to find out ------

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

He also said that he couldn't promise that he wouldn't play this week, so...

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Niners99:
Garoppolo has 9 1/4 inch hands. Tony Romo's hands were only 8 7/8 inches. He did fine. As long as Garoppolo isnt the holder.

That was wrong. That has become an urban legend of sorts when people bring up QBs with smaller hands. A bunch of sites still list that number and nobody really knows it started but Romo's hands were like 9 1/2" at his Pro Day.

Kap had 9 1/8 inch hands, so it ain't all that bad

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

He also said that he couldn't promise that he wouldn't play this week, so...

Yup...and from their presser yesterday, he's setting up the fan base to be patient. Week to week but he's not going to rush it especially behind this OL and guys like Garcon, Goodwin, Kittle, Taylor and Juice in and out of the lineup.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

He also said that he couldn't promise that he wouldn't play this week, so...

Yup...and from their presser yesterday, he's setting up the fan base to be patient. Week to week but he's not going to rush it especially behind this OL and guys like Garcon, Goodwin, Kittle, Taylor and Juice in and out of the lineup.

I bet Jimmy is refusing to play behind this OLine without a fat guaranteed contract.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

LOL. The Patriots' offense is the single most gimmicky thing in the history of organized sports. There's a reason they can plug any journeyman scrub in at slot receiver and feed him 120 catches per season. It's a spread underneath passing game with run-and-shoot principles, before they bring it in and go 2 tight end sets and power run.

Nobody else is running anything like it. If Jimmy expects things to work the way they did there, where Bill took the least talented roster in the NFL and went 17-2 and won a SB with it, he's in for a world of hurt.

I seriously suggest people take a look at last year's Patriots SB winner. Outside of Tom Brady, there is not a guy who was on their active roster last year here who could start for any other team in the NFL. Not even here. Remember, Gronkowski was on IR (and even he would have nowhere near the success he has had with them on another team).

The least talented roster in the NFL? Dude . What are you going to do when he walks away from the game in a couple years?

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
I'm going to let you in on a little secret: Belichick traded those two because they were freelancing. The Patriots' defense improved after both of them were moved. Belichick doesn't care about anything other than the fact that players follow his instructions, because they're always correct and they will always result in success. Football players are nothing more than mercenaries to Belichick.

Bringing in players is different from exporting them. Belichick brings in guys he thinks might grasp his schemes well. When he guesses wrong, it's not big deal. They're history.

If Belichick thought Jimmy G was the guy to take over for Tom Brady after he retires, he would just have him signed long-term. The Patriots have a team of interchangeable scrubs outside the QB position, so they have plenty of cap space.

Again, you'd better hope that Belichick is doing this because he likes the guy and wants him to get what he deserves somewhere else.

Bottomline, Belichick isn't any less fallible than any great coach and he's made quite a few mistakes in recent years. Chandler Jones may have been "freelancing" but right now the Patriots could sure use his 8 sacks on their defense. They could use Jamie Collins at LB, they certainly aren't getting much out of Dwayne Allen and his $6 million salary. They got absolutely nothing out of Kony Ealy.

You can continue pretending that Belichick is perfect when reality indicates otherwise. Every great coach made their fair share of mistakes, Belichick has made his as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

He also said that he couldn't promise that he wouldn't play this week, so...

Yup...and from their presser yesterday, he's setting up the fan base to be patient. Week to week but he's not going to rush it especially behind this OL and guys like Garcon, Goodwin, Kittle, Taylor and Juice in and out of the lineup.

Its a playbook issue more then a personnel issue.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
I think we should be awfully concerned about the fact that Belichick was willing to trade him, and for only a 2nd round pick, when he used a 2nd rounder to draft him to begin with.

Belichick does not lose on trades. He knows how to make it so that all his coaches and players would fail anywhere else. He teaches them to fail without him, and they don't realize it. He's the greatest chess player of all time.

He makes it so his players can't succeed outside the Patriots' gimmick offensive and defensive systems, and he makes it so his coaches have no idea how to implement what he does anywhere else. The man is a twisted genius. Last year's Patriots team was the least talented roster in the NFL, and he made them 17-2 and Super Bowl champions.

The NFL runs through Belichick. You have a chance to win when he decides he's going to give you a chance to win. Our only hope is that Belichick just felt bad about letting Jimmy's career go to waste backing up Brady for another 5 years. Otherwise, we're going to see Jed talking about "accountability" and how he wants to "compete to with Shuper Bowlsh" after a couple firings in another 3-4 years.

Since when is an Erhardt-Perkins offense a gimmick? In fact, it's one of the 3 main pro offenses.

That's not even remotely what they're running. You're classifying it as something from over 30 years ago based on a freak'n tree.

How do you know that's not what they are running? Yes it was created over 30 years ago, but it lives on today, just like WCO terminology, and Air Coryell terminology. But E-P is just that, a method to calling plays. Forget how they call the plays for a minute. Think more about what the plays are requiring the players to do. The Patriot's passing offense is very complicated with many route adjustments by the WRs. Nothing about it is a gimmick. I'm assuming your definition of gimmick is, "simple, easily defended, not sustainable". There are many WRs that just can't grasp it and can't function in that offense. Regarding their defense, it's a multiple defense that will run 3-4 and 4-3 in the same game. Not a gimmick.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/22/tom-brady-patriots-charlie-weis-option-routes
But what truly separates the Patriots' system is the extensive combination of receiver route adjustments, based on the defense or a defender's positioning, that all pass catchers—even running backs—have to know. Most offenses include at least a sprinkling of option routes designed, essentially, to use a defense against itself. But New England's offense is built on them.
When Brady is surrounded by talented players who know the system and can execute it—like the group the Patriots had during the bulk of their 10–0 start, with Gronkowski, Edelman, receiver Danny Amendola and running back Dion Lewismostly healthy—this offense can make sweet, unstoppable music. And when Brady doesn't have that luxury? Whoever those players are, they won't be staying around for long. "There were a couple guys in our past, he wouldn't throw the ball to them," says Weis. "You'd get pissed and say, 'Why didn't you throw to him?' He'd answer, 'I didn't trust him.'

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

He also said that he couldn't promise that he wouldn't play this week, so...

Yup...and from their presser yesterday, he's setting up the fan base to be patient. Week to week but he's not going to rush it especially behind this OL and guys like Garcon, Goodwin, Kittle, Taylor and Juice in and out of the lineup.

I bet Jimmy is refusing to play behind this OLine without a fat guaranteed contract.

I wouldn't blame him!