Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
LOL. The Patriots' offense is the single most gimmicky thing in the history of organized sports. There's a reason they can plug any journeyman scrub in at slot receiver and feed him 120 catches per season. It's a spread underneath passing game with run-and-shoot principles, before they bring it in and go 2 tight end sets and power run.

Nobody else is running anything like it. If Jimmy expects things to work the way they did there, where Bill took the least talented roster in the NFL and went 17-2 and won a SB with it, he's in for a world of hurt.

I seriously suggest people take a look at last year's Patriots SB winner. Outside of Tom Brady, there is not a guy who was on their active roster last year here who could start for any other team in the NFL. Not even here. Remember, Gronkowski was on IR (and even he would have nowhere near the success he has had with them on another team).

This guy brings the lulz.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

That's not even remotely what they're running. You're classifying it as something from over 30 years ago based on a freak'n tree.

You're wrong....they run an E-P. its based on naming 2 man routes and 3 man route combos. All these concepts are the same as other offenses they just call them different stuff. Over time, they've borrowed some air raid concepts and have used tempo. There's nothing gimmicky about their offense. The whole point of the E-P is to be flexible and they've done that quite well.

LOL. The Patriots' offense is the single most gimmicky thing in the history of organized sports. There's a reason they can plug any journeyman scrub in at slot receiver and feed him 120 catches per season. It's a spread underneath passing game with run-and-shoot principles, before they bring it in and go 2 tight end sets and power run.

Nobody else is running anything like it. If Jimmy expects things to work the way they did there, where Bill took the least talented roster in the NFL and went 17-2 and won a SB with it, he's in for a world of hurt.

I seriously suggest people take a look at last year's Patriots SB winner. Outside of Tom Brady, there is not a guy who was on their active roster last year here who could start for any other team in the NFL. Not even here. Remember, Gronkowski was on IR (and even he would have nowhere near the success he has had with them on another team).

Haha....but it's a Erhardt-Perkins play calling system. So, you are wrong....it's is one of the main pro systems and there's not gonna be a ton of concepts that Jimmy G hasn't seen.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

He also said that he couldn't promise that he wouldn't play this week, so...

Yup...and from their presser yesterday, he's setting up the fan base to be patient. Week to week but he's not going to rush it especially behind this OL and guys like Garcon, Goodwin, Kittle, Taylor and Juice in and out of the lineup.

I bet Jimmy is refusing to play behind this OLine without a fat guaranteed contract.

I wouldn't blame him!

#BusinessDecision

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

He also said that he couldn't promise that he wouldn't play this week, so...

Yup...and from their presser yesterday, he's setting up the fan base to be patient. Week to week but he's not going to rush it especially behind this OL and guys like Garcon, Goodwin, Kittle, Taylor and Juice in and out of the lineup.

Its a playbook issue more then a personnel issue.

Terminology for sure. But for his agent, he's thinking personnel too.

Originally posted by thl408:

How do you know that's not what they are running? Yes it was created over 30 years ago, but it lives on today, just like WCO terminology, and Air Coryell terminology. But E-P is just that, a method to calling plays. Forget how they call the plays for a minute. Think more about what the plays are requiring the players to do. The Patriot's passing offense is very complicated with many route adjustments by the WRs. Nothing about it is a gimmick. I'm assuming your definition of gimmick is, "simple, easily defended, not sustainable". There are many WRs that just can't grasp it and can't function in that offense. Regarding their defense, it's a multiple defense that will run 3-4 and 4-3 in the same game. Not a gimmick.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/22/tom-brady-patriots-charlie-weis-option-routes
But what truly separates the Patriots' system is the extensive combination of receiver route adjustments, based on the defense or a defender's positioning, that all pass catchers—even running backs—have to know. Most offenses include at least a sprinkling of option routes designed, essentially, to use a defense against itself. But New England's offense is built on them.
When Brady is surrounded by talented players who know the system and can execute it—like the group the Patriots had during the bulk of their 10–0 start, with Gronkowski, Edelman, receiver Danny Amendola and running back Dion Lewismostly healthy—this offense can make sweet, unstoppable music. And when Brady doesn't have that luxury? Whoever those players are, they won't be staying around for long. "There were a couple guys in our past, he wouldn't throw the ball to them," says Weis. "You'd get pissed and say, 'Why didn't you throw to him?' He'd answer, 'I didn't trust him.'

Oh....because he says so

Originally posted by susweel:

#BusinessDecision

No question. I'm sure JG is itching to play but gotta set your financial career and security up first.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

lol he will see enough of CJ after the Giants game, especially if he continues on completing just 52% of his passes and the offense looking awful series after series. Kyle is saying the right things though, but I highly doubt CJ is starting vs Seattle

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
That's not even remotely what they're running. You're classifying it as something from over 30 years ago based on a freak'n tree.

You're wrong....they run an E-P. its based on naming 2 man routes and 3 man route combos. All these concepts are the same as other offenses they just call them different stuff. Over time, they've borrowed some air raid concepts and have used tempo. There's nothing gimmicky about their offense. The whole point of the E-P is to be flexible and they've done that quite well.

LOL. The Patriots' offense is the single most gimmicky thing in the history of organized sports. There's a reason they can plug any journeyman scrub in at slot receiver and feed him 120 catches per season. It's a spread underneath passing game with run-and-shoot principles, before they bring it in and go 2 tight end sets and power run.

Nobody else is running anything like it. If Jimmy expects things to work the way they did there, where Bill took the least talented roster in the NFL and went 17-2 and won a SB with it, he's in for a world of hurt.

I seriously suggest people take a look at last year's Patriots SB winner. Outside of Tom Brady, there is not a guy who was on their active roster last year here who could start for any other team in the NFL. Not even here. Remember, Gronkowski was on IR (and even he would have nowhere near the success he has had with them on another team).

he was also terrible in college, only broke a record for suckage. He has a terribly slow release, has a teriible pocket presence, and in completely inaccurate. dude sucks theres no hope

Originally posted by susweel:
I bet Jimmy is refusing to play behind this OLine without a fat guaranteed contract.

If I were KS and thought he was my FQB I wouldn't want him playing behind this OL either

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Thank you!

Kyle Shanahan on Jimmy Garoppolo: "I can't promise that he'll play this year."

lol he will see enough of CJ after the Giants game, especially if he continues on completing just 52% of his passes and the offense looking awful series after series. Kyle is saying the right things though, but I highly doubt CJ is starting vs Seattle

This.

Originally posted by darockzillahitman:
LOL. The Patriots' offense is the single most gimmicky thing in the history of organized sports. There's a reason they can plug any journeyman scrub in at slot receiver and feed him 120 catches per season. It's a spread underneath passing game with run-and-shoot principles, before they bring it in and go 2 tight end sets and power run.

Nobody else is running anything like it. If Jimmy expects things to work the way they did there, where Bill took the least talented roster in the NFL and went 17-2 and won a SB with it, he's in for a world of hurt.

I seriously suggest people take a look at last year's Patriots SB winner. Outside of Tom Brady, there is not a guy who was on their active roster last year here who could start for any other team in the NFL. Not even here. Remember, Gronkowski was on IR (and even he would have nowhere near the success he has had with them on another team).

Show me one article, one coach/player testimony, that indicates it's a simple offense. I will go 2 for 1 with you. You show me one article, I'll show you two, with actual testimony, that it's a complicated offense. I'll start:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2016/01/22/tom-brady-patriots-charlie-weis-option-routes
"I've played in a lot of different offenses," says QB Brian Hoyer, who after starting his career in New England landed this season with Houston. "[The Patriots'] system is a hybrid of all of them. It's very intricate, but if you have guys who can do it well, it's the best.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/06/08/why-chad-ochocinco-failed-with-patriots/woLHEZMcbQsvowtsayTgVL/story.html
"At times, there are four decisions that a receiver needs to make after the snap the way our offense is,'' O'Shea said. "That's one of the advantages of our offense, that we give players a lot of flexibility within the system to take what the defense gives us. And that's definitely something that's unique about our offense."

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Bottomline, Belichick isn't any less fallible than any great coach and he's made quite a few mistakes in recent years. Chandler Jones may have been "freelancing" but right now the Patriots could sure use his 8 sacks on their defense. They could use Jamie Collins at LB, they certainly aren't getting much out of Dwayne Allen and his $6 million salary. They got absolutely nothing out of Kony Ealy.

You can continue pretending that Belichick is perfect when reality indicates otherwise. Every great coach made their fair share of mistakes, Belichick has made his as well.

People thought NE would regret the Chandler Jones and Jamie Collins moves LAST YEAR but NE goes on to win the Superbowl....bringing them up this season is irrelevant because the moves he made ended up working when he needed them to and ultimately resulting in a ring. Now it's a new year and time to make different moves. We will see how things turn out at the end of the season but one thing for certain, it is more likely than not that NE will be deep in the playoffs yet again...

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by susweel:
I bet Jimmy is refusing to play behind this OLine without a fat guaranteed contract.

If I were KS and thought he was my FQB I wouldn't want him playing behind this OL either

He wouldn't be my FQB if he was refusing to play for those reasons.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by susweel:

I bet Jimmy is refusing to play behind this OLine without a fat guaranteed contract.

If I were KS and thought he was my FQB I wouldn't want him playing behind this OL either

Future FQB 101.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by susweel:
I bet Jimmy is refusing to play behind this OLine without a fat guaranteed contract.

If I were KS and thought he was my FQB I wouldn't want him playing behind this OL either

He wouldn't be my FQB if he was refusing to play for those reasons.

yep, and he's not