Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Jimmy's contract is starting to not look so expensive.

It's the same with Ford's. The new game is now being the first one to up the contract for a position early in the off-season since most others will then have to match or increase. Ford got his then you saw every pass rusher after that get more.

It's why it makes sense to get Buckner's deal done sooner than later.

I remember with Jimmy's he was only the highest paid QB for what, 2 months? Then Matt Ryan got his extension which was for 30 APY, then Rodgers got his.

Following your thinking, doesn't it make sense to extend Buckner at the end of the season / beginning of the offseason. As we get into the season now, there doesn't appear to be any advantage (timing-wise) to get a deal done until the end of the season when contracts start one-upping each other.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Jimmy's contract is starting to not look so expensive.

It's the same with Ford's. The new game is now being the first one to up the contract for a position early in the off-season since most others will then have to match or increase. Ford got his then you saw every pass rusher after that get more.

It's why it makes sense to get Buckner's deal done sooner than later.

I remember with Jimmy's he was only the highest paid QB for what, 2 months? Then Matt Ryan got his extension which was for 30 APY, then Rodgers got his.

Following your thinking, doesn't it make sense to extend Buckner at the end of the season / beginning of the offseason. As we get into the season now, there doesn't appear to be any advantage (timing-wise) to get a deal done until the end of the season when contracts start one-upping each other.

I think that's why they're in no hurry to get it done. I feel like they're gonna have sometime in February as the date they want to have a deal in place by. So, if Buck's numbers aren't super strong out of the gate, expect a deal by mid-season. If not, he'll leverage that for a better deal later on.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Jimmy's contract is starting to not look so expensive.

It's the same with Ford's. The new game is now being the first one to up the contract for a position early in the off-season since most others will then have to match or increase. Ford got his then you saw every pass rusher after that get more.

It's why it makes sense to get Buckner's deal done sooner than later.

I remember with Jimmy's he was only the highest paid QB for what, 2 months? Then Matt Ryan got his extension which was for 30 APY, then Rodgers got his.

Totally. I wouldn't worry too much about a Paraag contract...ever. We've paid our FQB, LEO and LT and we're still 3rd in cap side. LOL

As to Buckner, the highest mark is already set by Donald and he'll be under that. But outside of those two, is there another DT that's even in their class who could drive the market higher like the QB class if we don't pay him right away?

Depends on how Chris Jones comes along. He's in the last year of his contract and had 15.5 sacks last year. He's a 3-4 DE that plays DT in Nickel, so a comparable player to Buckner.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Depends on how Chris Jones comes along. He's in the last year of his contract and had 15.5 sacks last year. He's a 3-4 DE that plays DT in Nickel, so a comparable player to Buckner.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering about. The QB market keeps going up because quality guys are constantly coming up for extensions and it's the premier position so that's what drives these crazy numbers but with DT, I hadn't looked at the pool to see if anything could drive Buck's market up. It seems like just the opposite - premier DT's being let go (Suh, McCoy, Richardson, Snacks, etc.). I'm still guessing $17-20M Paraag-style whether that's this year, next or perhaps, the year after. No rush plus we have the 5th year option and tags if needed. They'll do it right though.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

That's why I hate what's happening in sports and why the average guy can't afford to go to games anymore. Players are judging themselves by how much they make compared to other guys. It sucks because it's a never ending salary escalation that keeps driving up ticket prices. The teams and the league also keep asking for more money from the networks which in turn drives up the cost of TV packages like Directv Sunday ticket. BOHICA guys.

Yes, totally agree. Most competitive sport seems to be moving in this direction. The tv money becomes the driving force and the gate money is less important and consequently the tv companies control the soul of the individual sport.

And when the franchise owners are billionaires and the players are millionaires where do your loyalties lie?

It almost doesn't matter when contracts are signed. They look like a good deal for awhile and then the player decides he's not making enough and threatens to sit out if they don't give him a raise or extend his contract. I won't be surprised if Jimmy has a couple of good seasons that he either threatens to sit or the front office tears up his contract to 'make it more in line with current standards'. We've seen this over and over. It's like the owners are the only ones obligated to honor the contract where as the player just threatens to sit. The owner can play hardball but then the season can be in jeopardy. Owners will give in because most of them have massive egos and want to win. Salaries will keep going up until fans start turning away at the turnstiles and so far that doesn't seem to be happening. What we are seeing is a corporate crowd with lots of money and maybe not as much passion at the games. They can afford to pay a ton for season tickets and not show up if the on field product isn't good. Us old Candlestick guys sat through games no matter how bad the team was. Even in the mid 70's we were getting 35-40k in the seats.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It almost doesn't matter when contracts are signed. They look like a good deal for awhile and then the player decides he's not making enough and threatens to sit out if they don't give him a raise or extend his contract. I won't be surprised if Jimmy has a couple of good seasons that he either threatens to sit or the front office tears up his contract to 'make it more in line with current standards'. We've seen this over and over. It's like the owners are the only ones obligated to honor the contract where as the player just threatens to sit. The owner can play hardball but then the season can be in jeopardy. Owners will give in because most of them have massive egos and want to win. Salaries will keep going up until fans start turning away at the turnstiles and so far that doesn't seem to be happening. What we are seeing is a corporate crowd with lots of money and maybe not as much passion at the games. They can afford to pay a ton for season tickets and not show up if the on field product isn't good. Us old Candlestick guys sat through games no matter how bad the team was. Even in the mid 70's we were getting 35-40k in the seats.

That's a manifestation of the current CBA. If contracts were guaranteed like other sports, athlete's wouldn't be as obliged to force the issue (sitting out, etc.).

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It almost doesn't matter when contracts are signed. They look like a good deal for awhile and then the player decides he's not making enough and threatens to sit out if they don't give him a raise or extend his contract. I won't be surprised if Jimmy has a couple of good seasons that he either threatens to sit or the front office tears up his contract to 'make it more in line with current standards'. We've seen this over and over. It's like the owners are the only ones obligated to honor the contract where as the player just threatens to sit. The owner can play hardball but then the season can be in jeopardy. Owners will give in because most of them have massive egos and want to win. Salaries will keep going up until fans start turning away at the turnstiles and so far that doesn't seem to be happening. What we are seeing is a corporate crowd with lots of money and maybe not as much passion at the games. They can afford to pay a ton for season tickets and not show up if the on field product isn't good. Us old Candlestick guys sat through games no matter how bad the team was. Even in the mid 70's we were getting 35-40k in the seats.

I hope Jimmy follows Tom Brady and marries a millionaire then he won't ask for too much money.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It almost doesn't matter when contracts are signed. They look like a good deal for awhile and then the player decides he's not making enough and threatens to sit out if they don't give him a raise or extend his contract. I won't be surprised if Jimmy has a couple of good seasons that he either threatens to sit or the front office tears up his contract to 'make it more in line with current standards'. We've seen this over and over. It's like the owners are the only ones obligated to honor the contract where as the player just threatens to sit. The owner can play hardball but then the season can be in jeopardy. Owners will give in because most of them have massive egos and want to win. Salaries will keep going up until fans start turning away at the turnstiles and so far that doesn't seem to be happening. What we are seeing is a corporate crowd with lots of money and maybe not as much passion at the games. They can afford to pay a ton for season tickets and not show up if the on field product isn't good. Us old Candlestick guys sat through games no matter how bad the team was. Even in the mid 70's we were getting 35-40k in the seats.

The owners are obliged to honor the contract ?... wtf... football contracts are mostly not garuanteed. When a player doesn't perform up to standards the owners have no hesitation in cutting a player. you have to remember, a contract is a two way street, if a player out performs his contract he should be compensated in the same way he is thrown away like garbage if he under performs. The owners are billionaires and the players are millionaires. I haven't seen one owner in the endzone yet..... people act like the game isn't about the players. the reason there is so much money is because of tv contracts. players are just now getting there fair share of the pot. people on wall street who work at firms get billion dollar bonuses. I don't see any one complaining about that.

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
The owners are obliged to honor the contract ?... wtf... football contracts are mostly not garuanteed. When a player doesn't perform up to standards the owners have no hesitation in cutting a player. you have to remember, a contract is a two way street, if a player out performs his contract he should be compensated in the same way he is thrown away like garbage if he under performs. The owners are billionaires and the players are millionaires. I haven't seen one owner in the endzone yet..... people act like the game isn't about the players. the reason there is so much money is because of tv contracts. players are just now getting there fair share of the pot. people on wall street who run a work at firms get billion dollar bonuses. I don't see any one complaining about that.

Well, I think the money that's inflating the players salaries is TV money, but with TV ratings going down, and the new CBA negotiations about a year or two away, how long can those inflated salaries keep going up?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
The owners are obliged to honor the contract ?... wtf... football contracts are mostly not garuanteed. When a player doesn't perform up to standards the owners have no hesitation in cutting a player. you have to remember, a contract is a two way street, if a player out performs his contract he should be compensated in the same way he is thrown away like garbage if he under performs. The owners are billionaires and the players are millionaires. I haven't seen one owner in the endzone yet..... people act like the game isn't about the players. the reason there is so much money is because of tv contracts. players are just now getting there fair share of the pot. people on wall street who run a work at firms get billion dollar bonuses. I don't see any one complaining about that.

Well, I think the money that's inflating the players salaries is TV money, but with TV ratings going down, and the new CBA negotiations about a year or two away, how long can those inflated salaries keep going up?

football. ... still the most watched sport in America .... tv moneys not going down

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Compared to what? NBA & MLB contracts? Not even close

Compared to them not doing s**t on the field to deserve it. At least in the NBA and MLB, It's the All-Stars getting the big contracts, with the NBA having an asterisk cause s**tty players get paid there too.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

QB contracts are flat out getting ridiculous.

Compared to what? NBA & MLB contracts? Not even close

808 probably not a baseball fan.

Played baseball my whole life until age and surgeries happened lol. Baseball is the last of the 3 sports you want to bring up in terms of money. Lots if not majority of professional baseball players don't even crack the major league let alone even come close to a deal that QBs are getting. Don't even @ me on this topic. Go visit the Kyler Murray thread for those questioning money opportunities for a baseball player and QB

Originally posted by swaccmac1:
football. ... still the most watched sport in America .... tv moneys not going down

Yes it is, but if the TV ad revenue go down. How will the TV guys pay the NFL?

Originally posted by swaccmac1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
It almost doesn't matter when contracts are signed. They look like a good deal for awhile and then the player decides he's not making enough and threatens to sit out if they don't give him a raise or extend his contract. I won't be surprised if Jimmy has a couple of good seasons that he either threatens to sit or the front office tears up his contract to 'make it more in line with current standards'. We've seen this over and over. It's like the owners are the only ones obligated to honor the contract where as the player just threatens to sit. The owner can play hardball but then the season can be in jeopardy. Owners will give in because most of them have massive egos and want to win. Salaries will keep going up until fans start turning away at the turnstiles and so far that doesn't seem to be happening. What we are seeing is a corporate crowd with lots of money and maybe not as much passion at the games. They can afford to pay a ton for season tickets and not show up if the on field product isn't good. Us old Candlestick guys sat through games no matter how bad the team was. Even in the mid 70's we were getting 35-40k in the seats.

The owners are obliged to honor the contract ?... wtf... football contracts are mostly not garuanteed. When a player doesn't perform up to standards the owners have no hesitation in cutting a player. you have to remember, a contract is a two way street, if a player out performs his contract he should be compensated in the same way he is thrown away like garbage if he under performs. The owners are billionaires and the players are millionaires. I haven't seen one owner in the endzone yet..... people act like the game isn't about the players. the reason there is so much money is because of tv contracts. players are just now getting there fair share of the pot. people on wall street who work at firms get billion dollar bonuses. I don't see any one complaining about that.

They still honor the contract. When contracts are signed part of the money is guaranteed. That part is paid. They can't honor the whole thing because injuries that end careers would bankrupt teams. MLB and NBA teams get stuck with dead money all the time and it can hamstring a team for years. Too much dead money and you can't afford to sign free agents. The players understand when they sign that only part of it is guaranteed so it is up to the agent to get as much as possible. As far as getting released when the player doesn't perform. Well that's part of the deal. I don't think any player gets a no cut contract. You say he's thrown away 'like garbage' when he can't perform. Look at how many people on this forum call players garbage all the time and are always saying to dump this guy and that guy.