Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by cciowa:
thats called denial and deflection. has nothing to do with the fact our team has been very bad in pass protection for years. we have a qb coming off an acl and again the team in the guard spots did tepid steps to fix it. HOPING that some guys will step up. HOPING continuity . lol will make it better. HOPING jimmys so called quick release will make it all better. when jimmy gets hurt, i wonder if you guys will still be saying. but but.. it is still better than the 2016 line. it is still crap in pass protection.

Had they spent a bunch of draft capital on guards we'd still be hoping. Until you see them perform thats all it is.

Glad to see you are rooting for injury so you can do the I told you so tho.

nice putting words in my mouth. just laying out a possible scenario. i take no pleasure in being right when it hurts the team ,. but please spin away

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by cciowa:
thats called denial and deflection. has nothing to do with the fact our team has been very bad in pass protection for years. we have a qb coming off an acl and again the team in the guard spots did tepid steps to fix it. HOPING that some guys will step up. HOPING continuity . lol will make it better. HOPING jimmys so called quick release will make it all better. when jimmy gets hurt, i wonder if you guys will still be saying. but but.. it is still better than the 2016 line. it is still crap in pass protection.

Had they spent a bunch of draft capital on guards we'd still be hoping. Until you see them perform thats all it is.

Glad to see you are rooting for injury so you can do the I told you so tho.

+1

show me and quote me where i said i hope jimmy gets hurt. i will wait.

sorry to feel this way. but with this line i fear its a matter of time before he gets hurt. that is a helluva lot different than hoping one gets hurt, back in the day. when we were actually relevant. we had a poster who actually said..,.. the best thing is for alex to get hurt so that ck can take over. that is dumb.

Originally posted by cciowa:

continuity means nothing when you still have two guards who are not very good.. call it gloom and doom.. it is fact... our pass protection on this team has been bad going back to 2011 no matter the coach or the qb.. you tend to oversimplify things.. when jimmy is laying in a heap after he gets crushed after he gets the ball out... we will all marvel at how he got that ball out as he gets carted off the field. and do not blather to me that getting hit is part of the game. of course those lines were crap. the point is in regards to pass protection it is still crap.. even when healthy our guards were not good. my motive is to give an opinion that the line with a injured qb coming back is not very good in regards to pass protection. i suppose you are one of those who said no to the question posed after jimmys first year... is the line as bad as we think it is. you got a 80 dollar line protecting a 80 million plus qb. sorry to burst your" anything with a niner label on it is awesome" bubble. but that is asking for trouble.

Not oversimplify anything I'm stating truths. Getting the ball out quick helps, continuity helps, both our starting guards we're ranked above avg in PFF numbers and Ben garland was the 14th overall G. Our issue was health and mainly at center.

I'll "blather" all I want to you lol. You find every negative aspect you can and intensify it 10 fold.

What they got is 4st rd picks on that line, one 2nd rd pick, and a 7th rd pick. You're the one b***hing about not drafting OL yet they got high end draft prospects littered all over the line!

Back to the original topic, this OL IS better now then two yrs ago WHICH is the WHOLE point I said anything...

Originally posted by cciowa:
sorry to feel this way. but with this line i fear its a matter of time before he gets hurt. that is a helluva lot different than hoping one gets hurt, back in the day. when we were actually relevant. we had a poster who actually said..,.. the best thing is for alex to get hurt so that ck can take over. that is dumb.

I would love to have 5 all pros on the OL with all pro caliber backups behind them...that's not realistic though.

We have two pretty good tackles. Our interior does leave something to be desired but they're also not Chilo Rachal/Jordan Devey type of bad.

When you have an offense that gets guys open, a QB who can get the ball out quick you can make due without all pros all over the place.

Having watched Tom Brady and the Pats a lot there's no question that Dante Scarnecchia(sp) is their version of McKittrick and those guys are very well coached but there's no question Tom Brady makes that OL look way better than they are.

Jimmy can do the same here.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Nothing wrong with what you're saying but even average guards can look a lot better when healthy and playing together for some extended time. Don't forget Richburg at center. He had a bad year last year too. I'm not saying they will be great this year but I do see where they can improve enough to be adequate.

I watched richburg for yrs in NY he was their best lineman and was a top end pass protector...I questioned his run-blocking and health when he was brought in here. He just needs to get healthy.

They've spent top money on center, a top 10 pick on RT, and just extended one of the best LT in SF history. They've traded for a former 1st rd LG who's played at the very least at a starter level, and they brought in person who looked like a better value than Norwell who got $66.5M last yr.

They've remade the line in two yrs and now they need to all stay healthy and get their starting QB back. We went from the 28th ranked OL in 2016 to the 15th. Not elite but above avg, which is good considering all the crap that's happened.

Originally posted by genus49:

I would love to have 5 all pros on the OL with all pro caliber backups behind them...that's not realistic though.

We have two pretty good tackles. Our interior does leave something to be desired but they're also not Chilo Rachal/Jordan Devey type of bad.

When you have an offense that gets guys open, a QB who can get the ball out quick you can make due without all pros all over the place.

Having watched Tom Brady and the Pats a lot there's no question that Dante Scarnecchia(sp) is their version of McKittrick and those guys are very well coached but there's no question Tom Brady makes that OL look way better than they are.

Jimmy can do the same here.

Totally agree...a OL coach can only do so much imo. When you got a QB that's been running the same offense for 15 yrs and guys that can separate quickly you don't need 3 Quinton Nelsons on the OL.

At some point our position coaches need to be able to develop some players.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I watched richburg for yrs in NY he was their best lineman and was a top end pass protector...I questioned his run-blocking and health when he was brought in here. He just needs to get healthy.

They've spent top money on center, a top 10 pick on RT, and just extended one of the best LT in SF history. They've traded for a former 1st rd LG who's played at the very least at a starter level, and they brought in person who looked like a better value than Norwell who got $66.5M last yr.

They've remade the line in two yrs and now they need to all stay healthy and get their starting QB back. We went from the 28th ranked OL in 2016 to the 15th. Not elite but above avg, which is good considering all the crap that's happened.

Splitting hairs with that above average buddy lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Not oversimplify anything I'm stating truths. Getting the ball out quick helps, continuity helps, both our starting guards we're ranked above avg in PFF numbers and Ben garland was the 14th overall G. Our issue was health and mainly at center.

I'll "blather" all I want to you lol. You find every negative aspect you can and intensify it 10 fold.

What they got is 4st rd picks on that line, one 2nd rd pick, and a 7th rd pick. You're the one b***hing about not drafting OL yet they got high end draft prospects littered all over the line!

Back to the original topic, this OL IS better now then two yrs ago WHICH is the WHOLE point I said anything...

in run blocking it is.. in pass protection it is not. i know you and like you but honestly you love to argue and try to wear people to a nub so they will agree with you or just throw up their hands.... pass protection on this team going back to 2011 has always been bad, with a suspect center and guards and staley getting older and with a qb coming off a major injury,,,, to me. it looks like its more of the same. sadly for us

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Splitting hairs with that above average buddy lol

Last I checked 15th is above avg with 32 teams

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by cciowa:
continuity means nothing when you still have two guards who are not very good.. call it gloom and doom.. it is fact... our pass protection on this team has been bad going back to 2011 no matter the coach or the qb.. you tend to oversimplify things.. when jimmy is laying in a heap after he gets crushed after he gets the ball out... we will all marvel at how he got that ball out as he gets carted off the field. and do not blather to me that getting hit is part of the game. of course those lines were crap. the point is in regards to pass protection it is still crap.. even when healthy our guards were not good. my motive is to give an opinion that the line with a injured qb coming back is not very good in regards to pass protection. i suppose you are one of those who said no to the question posed after jimmys first year... is the line as bad as we think it is. you got a 80 dollar line protecting a 80 million plus qb. sorry to burst your" anything with a niner label on it is awesome" bubble. but that is asking for trouble.

Nothing wrong with what you're saying but even average guards can look a lot better when healthy and playing together for some extended time. Don't forget Richburg at center. He had a bad year last year too. I'm not saying they will be great this year but I do see where they can improve enough to be adequate.

Our interior is soft. The pass protection needed an upgrade and we didn't do that. Instead we went WR, WR and Punter in the draft after Bosa. Not a peep in FA either.

Originally posted by cciowa:

in run blocking it is.. in pass protection it is not. i know you and like you but honestly you love to argue and try to wear people to a nub so they will agree with you or just throw up their hands.... pass protection on this team going back to 2011 has always been bad, with a suspect center and guards and staley getting older and with a qb coming off a major injury,,,, to me. it looks like its more of the same. sadly for us

SF was the 15th overall OL last yr....it's not about arguing it's about coming in here and reading people say things that aren't completely true.

Again the original comment stated that our OL has gotten worse since this new regime came in and that simply isn't true.

I like you to, but you tend to take a something that's a little negative and make it 10x worse. You act like SF has the 32nd ranked OL and it's the worst thing we've ever seen...truth is it's gotten better since we lost everyone...they need to improve at PP, I don't deny that BUT stop acting like it's the worst thing in the NFL because that's how you're sounding.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Our interior is soft. The pass protection needed an upgrade and we didn't do that. Instead we went WR, WR and Punter in the draft after Bosa. Not a peep in FA either.

They add ben garland who graded out as the 14th overall guard last yr...imo a healthy richburg will do a lot, he was a top end PP in NY when healthy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
SF was the 15th overall OL last yr....it's not about arguing it's about coming in here and reading people say things that aren't completely true.

Again the original comment stated that our OL has gotten worse since this new regime came in and that simply isn't true.

I like you to, but you tend to take a something that's a little negative and make it 10x worse. You act like SF has the 32nd ranked OL and it's the worst thing we've ever seen...truth is it's gotten better since we lost everyone...they need to improve at PP, I don't deny that BUT stop acting like it's the worst thing in the NFL because that's how you're sounding.

in run protection we are more than fine... in pass protection our line has been bad since 2011.. note i am separating the 2 aspects of the line.. run protection. no issues... pass protection is a whole other story.. it has not been good over the years and in the last two years.,, and feel free to blame injuries,. the qb or negative people, it has not gotten better . i do not care about the rest of the nfl or other teams or what our team was like two or three or four years ago.. what matters is the here and now. if i am wrong and we are great in pass protection. of course i will own up to it. continue to try to wear this down to a nub but that is my stance

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Our interior is soft. The pass protection needed an upgrade and we didn't do that. Instead we went WR, WR and Punter in the draft after Bosa. Not a peep in FA either.

thats what i feel, did not need a bunch of all pro guys. but someone better than what we have for gods sake... pretty bad when our hopes are being pinned on ross reynolds to take a guard spot. but what the hell do i know. i have been told i have said i hope jimmy gets hurt