Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by cciowa:

in run protection we are more than fine... in pass protection our line has been bad since 2011.. note i am separating the 2 aspects of the line.. run protection. no issues... pass protection is a whole other story.. it has not been good over the years and in the last two years.,, and feel free to blame injuries,. the qb or negative people, it has not gotten better . i do not care about the rest of the nfl or other teams or what our team was like two or three or four years ago.. what matters is the here and now. if i am wrong and we are great in pass protection. of course i will own up to it. continue to try to wear this down to a nub but that is my stance

For the 3rd time you take something that isn't elite and make it 10x worse than it actually is...we have one of the top tackle tandems in the NFL. I really don't care if you don't care about the rest of the NFL...guess what that's who SF is playing, the rest of the NFL.

The league outside of a handful of teams is trash in regardless to having a complete OL. Talent is hard to find and the college game has made it that way. Whether you care about injuries or not doesn't matter either...very few teams have good starting linemen, let alone quality backups.

Also you jumped onto my comment with no regard to what I was talking about (or responding to)...they have improved the line since they came here. They had arguably the worst line in the NFL before this new regime got here.

They can improve and I will agree with you about that.

Originally posted by cciowa:

thats what i feel, did not need a bunch of all pro guys. but someone better than what we have for gods sake... pretty bad when our hopes are being pinned on ross reynolds to take a guard spot. but what the hell do i know. i have been told i have said i hope jimmy gets hurt

Guess what Reynolds was junk in PP last yr. great run-blocker.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

No but he took a ton of hits behind a line that sucked ass at pass protection. Juice didn't add much either.
The hits will get him eventually unless the team decides to try to improve PP which had gotten worse since Lynch got here.

Totally agree PP needs to improve...not sure you remember who was on our OL in 2016?

Joe, Beadles, Kilgore, Tiller, Brown T Brown is the only guy we lost worth a damn. I know people pick and choose when to like PFF (not sure how you stand with it)

2016 season 28th ranked OL
2018 season 15th ranked OL

still got work to do, but I'll take this OL over the one in 2016 all day.

Is that rating pass protection specific, what does the ranking measure?

82 qb hits allowed in 2016
125 qb hits allowed in 2018

That is ovwr 50% more hits. The OL was atrocious at PP last year compared to 2016.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

in run blocking it is.. in pass protection it is not. i know you and like you but honestly you love to argue and try to wear people to a nub so they will agree with you or just throw up their hands.... pass protection on this team going back to 2011 has always been bad, with a suspect center and guards and staley getting older and with a qb coming off a major injury,,,, to me. it looks like its more of the same. sadly for us

SF was the 15th overall OL last yr....it's not about arguing it's about coming in here and reading people say things that aren't completely true.

Again the original comment stated that our OL has gotten worse since this new regime came in and that simply isn't true.

I like you to, but you tend to take a something that's a little negative and make it 10x worse. You act like SF has the 32nd ranked OL and it's the worst thing we've ever seen...truth is it's gotten better since we lost everyone...they need to improve at PP, I don't deny that BUT stop acting like it's the worst thing in the NFL because that's how you're sounding.

The pass protection is arguably the worst in the NFL. Houston gave up one more hit than the 49ers.

Before Lynch, qb hits allowed were about league average.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Our interior is soft. The pass protection needed an upgrade and we didn't do that. Instead we went WR, WR and Punter in the draft after Bosa. Not a peep in FA either.

Question is who do you draft instead? If anything last year was the draft to go heavy IOL outside the first round but Pettis looks like a good pick on his own and clearly WR was an issue last year as well.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Is that rating pass protection specific, what does the ranking measure?

82 qb hits allowed in 2016
125 qb hits allowed in 2018

That is ovwr 50% more hits. The OL was atrocious at PP last year compared to 2016.

It ranks them overall....our pass pro in 2016 with pure trash and that included Joe who had one of his worst yrs. only thing that saved them was the fact that Kap and Blaine train could scrabble.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
thats what i feel, did not need a bunch of all pro guys. but someone better than what we have for gods sake... pretty bad when our hopes are being pinned on ross reynolds to take a guard spot. but what the hell do i know. i have been told i have said i hope jimmy gets hurt

Guess what Reynolds was junk in PP last yr. great run-blocker.

that shows you how low my bar is set with our guard play. he is a rookie,. he can improve. the guys we have are as good as they will ever be in my opinion which is not very good. this is why i hope guys like him and jordon mathews succeed.. to many people have some illogical love for one of "our guys" and can not stand the thought of a interloper like ross or jordon coming in here and dispatching some favored son

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The pass protection is arguably the worst in the NFL. Houston gave up one more hit than the 49ers.

Before Lynch, qb hits allowed were about league average.

Hits don't account for QBs holding onto the ball too long. Mullens and CJ especially were awful with any pressure. QB play is massive with pass-pro.

Qb hits were lower because we had scrabbling QBs who ran as soon as they sniffed pressure. Guys like devey/pears/tiller/Kilgore were not better than who we currently have.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Is that rating pass protection specific, what does the ranking measure?

82 qb hits allowed in 2016
125 qb hits allowed in 2018

That is ovwr 50% more hits. The OL was atrocious at PP last year compared to 2016.

you have to remember.. alot of people who defend the line. think those hits. are ok. part of the game, no big deal. alls well that ends well as long as jimmy gets rid of the ball

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It ranks them overall....our pass pro in 2016 with pure trash and that included Joe who had one of his worst yrs. only thing that saved them was the fact that Kap and Blaine train could scrabble.

are you fine with 125 qb hits last year?

even if i believe that the hits were all created , not due to a bad line. but due to the fact we had quarterbacks who could not get rid of the ball quick. maybe that goes back to the fact we had wide outs who were either unable or unwilling to get open.. thus. kyle opted to revamp the wide out group. bring in three new guys. and put a emphasis on more height because the little guys breaking ankles did not cut it

Originally posted by cciowa:
are you fine with 125 qb hits last year?

Nowhere did I say I was fine with it....I've said they need to improve BUT Stop acting like they're the worst OL in the NFL because they're not. Finding good PP OL in the draft isn't easy. College football is awful at developing them.

let's also stop pretending that 125 QB hits was ALL on the OL last yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
are you fine with 125 qb hits last year?

Nowhere did I say I was fine with it....I've said they need to improve BUT Stop acting like they're the worst OL in the NFL because they're not. Finding good PP OL in the draft isn't easy. College football is awful at developing them.

let's also stop pretending that 125 QB hits was ALL on the OL last yr.

i met you halfway and said. if i believe some off the hits were on the wide outs and qb.. then kuddos for bringing in some new wide outs and new back up tight ends. however pass protection starts with the o line. you can deflect a bit if you want. but thats where it begins, again. i do not care about the rest of the nfl. i care about our team and our qb and what i have seen since 2011 with pass protection has not been good and has gotten worse since 2014. in my opinion

Originally posted by cciowa:
even if i believe that the hits were all created , not due to a bad line. but due to the fact we had quarterbacks who could not get rid of the ball quick. maybe that goes back to the fact we had wide outs who were either unable or unwilling to get open.. thus. kyle opted to revamp the wide out group. bring in three new guys. and put a emphasis on more height because the little guys breaking ankles did not cut it

Those little guys breaking ankles (Taylor mainly) was a reason JG did so well in 2017 and getting the ball out quickly.

You want to get separation quickly so you can throw the ball quickly. I agree having a bigger WR also helps because he doesn't have to be open to get it to him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Those little guys breaking ankles (Taylor mainly) was a reason JG did so well in 2017 and getting the ball out quickly.

You want to get separation quickly so you can throw the ball quickly. I agree having a bigger WR also helps because he doesn't have to be open to get it to him.

we also took teams by surprise in 2017, which means nothing anymore. no sure bet taylor will win a spot on the roster anyway. our guys last year struggled to get opened which did not help nick.. cj is a lost cause . is not fixable and i hope we trade him late in preseason for a 7th, 6th if we can find some sucker