Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

The pass pro in 2018 allowed over 50% more qb hits than in 2016.
The 49ers were the worst or second worst pass protecting team in the NFL last year, that is pure trash. How will make them better than trash in 2019?

A QB that doesn't hold it for 5 seconds and one that isn't an UDFA rook?

Blame the FQB, lol. Maybe we need to bring back Sunshine.

Do you think the OL is average or better at PP?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I would've taken Connor McGovern with the 67th pick. That being said he has work to do too. No rook was going to come in and be elite. Unfortunately the OG class was real weak and the guy I thought would fit perfectly decided to retire.

I was going to mention McGovern was the only guy I really liked for us outside of the first round the way the draft shook out but I'm going to wait and see about Hurd. I wasn't a fan of that pick at all but to be honest it wasn't because we didn't take OL but because I wanted Hakeem Butler(hopefully I'm totally wrong on that one) and I think seeing McGovern go in the 4th round or later in most mocks also influenced my ideas of McGovern being our early 3rd rounder...tho I'd prefer McGovern over Hurd if you asked me before the draft which guy I'd rather have at our 3rd.

I was also hoping we'd pick up Alex Bars late in the draft...bummed we didn't take that flier on him.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I read "Wish" needs to learn traditional punting so he doesn't get blocked as often as he did in college. Rookie WRs rarely start from day one. Especially drafted lower. They have to learn a lot and takes a year or two. It can happen (usually due to lack of options) but it is not likely.

Greg Little, Cody Ford, Dalton Risner, etc. There were plenty of linemen available we could develop or plug and play. Instead we have too many WRs and a unorthodox punter. Staley isn't getting any younger too so we need to plan for that.

Greg Little? seriously? He's a total developmental prospect.

Risner is the only dude I'm down with out of that bunch.

Pretty sure I saw Pettis catching a TD week one last yr? Deebo will get starting snaps.

IMO you're reaching with the punting stuff. Staley just signed a two yr extension. I would have been fine if they didn't take Hurd and went secondary or OL in the 3rd. IMO that was a reach.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
When your needs are WR and OL, always go with OL. A good OL is way more important than a good WR core. History shows that.

Read my posts above to answer the other questions.

Greg Little and Cody Ford are awful fits for this team. Not athletic enough.

Risner has an argument

I loved RIsner and he was my go to when running mock drafts for us in the 2nd round and I usually waited til round 3 to go WR.

However I also want to trust Shanahan when it comes to offensive skill players. He knows his offense and he knows what he's looking for in it.

Everyone though Deebo was a perfect fit for it so I have 0 issues with him getting arguably his top guy. Only 2 WRs went before Deebo and I don't know if Brown and Harry would've been better fits for Shany.

Hurd is the pick that probably irked me the most but I do like what I've read from him and we'll see what happens with him. There's potential for some really cool things from him but also potential to be a depth player only. Time will tell.

I definitely don't think there were IOL prospects who were must haves. Once again...we're returning our 5 starters from last year. WR was a big need. It made sense to address it.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
The pass pro in 2018 allowed over 50% more qb hits than in 2016.
The 49ers were the worst or second worst pass protecting team in the NFL last year, that is pure trash. How will make them better than trash in 2019?

Again less hits when you're QB is running out of the pocket when he sniffs pressure and they play our of shotgun 100% of the time.

Football Outsiders ranked our OL 22nd in pass protection last yr. That's with Richburg on one leg most of the yr and two of the worst QBs under pressure for 14 1/2 games.

I don't expect them to be top 10, I do expect them to do better with better QB play and being healthy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
I read "Wish" needs to learn traditional punting so he doesn't get blocked as often as he did in college. Rookie WRs rarely start from day one. Especially drafted lower. They have to learn a lot and takes a year or two. It can happen (usually due to lack of options) but it is not likely.

Greg Little, Cody Ford, Dalton Risner, etc. There were plenty of linemen available we could develop or plug and play. Instead we have too many WRs and a unorthodox punter. Staley isn't getting any younger too so we need to plan for that.

Greg Little? seriously? He's a total developmental prospect.

Risner is the only dude I'm down with out of that bunch.

Pretty sure I saw Pettis catching a TD week one last yr? Deebo will get starting snaps.

IMO you're reaching with the punting stuff. Staley just signed a two yr extension. I would have been fine if they didn't take Hurd and went secondary or OL in the 3rd. IMO that was a reach.

My whole point is that a developmental OLinemen >>> Developmental WR, which you acknowledged that we drafted one.

Pettis getting a TD was nice and he performed well. Still, WRs take longer to develop than an Olinmen, this is a fact.

Staley signing an extension doesn't make him any younger. lol. He's getting up there in age and we need to groom his replacement. That is the point.

Wishnoawsky had 3 blocked punts last season. Not reaching at all. That is a fact and that is not good. He even acknowledges that and has been working on it.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
When your needs are WR and OL, always go with OL. A good OL is way more important than a good WR core. History shows that.

Read my posts above to answer the other questions.

unless they simply had the WRs graded higher and they didn't think the rookie OL would beat out either guard. I do wish they would have taken someone in 2018 when the IOL prospects were much better.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
My whole point is that a developmental OLinemen >>> Developmental WR, which you acknowledged that we drafted one.

Pettis getting a TD was nice and he performed well. Still, WRs take longer to develop than an Olinmen, this is a fact.

Staley signing an extension doesn't make him any younger. lol. He's getting up there in age and we need to groom his replacement. That is the point.

Wishnoawsky had 3 blocked punts last season. Not reaching at all. That is a fact and that is not good. He even acknowledges that and has been working on it.

It's actually not a fact....OL coming out of college now aren't day one ready to roll (like in the past) based on all of these spread offenses. Even guys who come from a pro-style offense and win the outland trophy (Garnett) aren't plug and play anymore.

They're grooming his replacement and they drafted him 9th overall last yr. You let me know when Joe loses a step, sure as s**t wasn't last yr

So the blocked punt had nothing to do with the line protecting him? I didn't see the blocks, so I truly don't know. All I've read from draft analysis is he's ready to roll day 1.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Blame the FQB, lol. Maybe we need to bring back Sunshine.

Do you think the OL is average or better at PP?

Mullens and CJ are the FQBs

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
My whole point is that a developmental OLinemen >>> Developmental WR, which you acknowledged that we drafted one.

Pettis getting a TD was nice and he performed well. Still, WRs take longer to develop than an Olinmen, this is a fact.

Staley signing an extension doesn't make him any younger. lol. He's getting up there in age and we need to groom his replacement. That is the point.

Wishnoawsky had 3 blocked punts last season. Not reaching at all. That is a fact and that is not good. He even acknowledges that and has been working on it.

It's actually not a fact....OL coming out of college now aren't day one ready to roll (like in the past) based on all of these spread offenses. Even guys who come from a pro-style offense and win the outland trophy (Garnett) aren't plug and play anymore.

They're grooming his replacement and they drafted him 9th overall last yr. You let me know when Joe loses a step, sure as s**t wasn't last yr

So the blocked punt had nothing to do with the line protecting him? I didn't see the blocks, so I truly don't know. All I've read from draft analysis is he's ready to roll day 1.

We'll agree to disagree on whether WRs or OL are more NFL ready at draft. I think you are just saying that to support your argument and don't really believe that. Many colleges run spread offense so that doesn't even make sense. It proves that OL are more NFL spread offense ready.

Mike McGlinchey is replacing staley, but who then takes McGlinchey's spot? We need to make sure there is a tackle ready to step in. Staley is done soon, that is the point.

Wichnowsky admits himself the blocks are due to his style. Are you now going to argue Wishnowsky doesn't know his own faults?

The only downside of his final college season was three blocked punts, something he worked to eliminate during his offseason with the 49ers.
"I've got to get the ball off in 1.3 seconds, which is what I've been doing pretty consistently," Wishnowsky said. "And the snap is a .7. So if the whole operation is 2 seconds or below, you should be good. Then, also launch point. You want to pretty much as it hits your foot (you're) directly behind the snapper, so you're not at risk of getting it blocked."

Originally posted by billbird2111:
An improved defense. You must recall that during the 2.5 games that Jimmy G. played, the defense was getting steamrolled. He was forced to play catchup because the defense could be counted upon to get torched time and again.

To play catchup, you pass the ball. Give Jimmy G. a competent defense and running game, and those QB hits will go way down.

People forget we also had a lot of pressure due to our WRs being unable to separate after Goodwin was hurt and Pettis was still overwhelmed by taking on all 3 WR roles. Garcon wasn't the same after his injury, Trent Taylor(Jimmy's security blanket in 17) was messed up from his back surgery and the other guys weren't getting the job done.

We hopefully addressed the WR, our OL is intact and hopefully getting them healthy will help from Richburg's perspective. Tomlinson actually played well so Person is the weakest link and he wasn't great but he wasn't a revolving door either.

We basically got killed vs the Vikings since they have one of the most talented DLs in the league at their house where DL always plays better anyways and we lost 2 RGs in the game, our starting WR who required different looks by the D due to his speed.

Lions game was mostly coverage related pressure

Kansas City was another road game against a pass rush unit tied for league lead in sacks last year and us being down 35-10 at the half.

I'd kill to have an OL who can give Jimmy 5+ seconds per snap to read the field and make his throws but that's not realistic. If our WRs start making enough plays it will make things go much smoother. It's how the Pats run their offense. Tom gets that ball out quick and very rarely does he need extra long protection.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
We'll agree to disagree on whether WRs and OL are NFL ready at draft. I think you are just saying that to support your point.

Mike McGlinchey is replacing staley, but who then takes McGlinchey's spot? We need to make sure there is a tackle ready to step in.

Wichnowsky admits himself the blocks are due to his style.

The only downside of his final college season was three blocked punts, something he worked to eliminate during his offseason with the 49ers.
"I've got to get the ball off in 1.3 seconds, which is what I've been doing pretty consistently," Wishnowsky said. "And the snap is a .7. So if the whole operation is 2 seconds or below, you should be good. Then, also launch point. You want to pretty much as it hits your foot (you're) directly behind the snapper, so you're not at risk of getting it blocked."

I mean there's examples for both WR/OL and which can and does take longer. It is true that it's getting harder and harder to find good rookie lineman to plug and play. They usually go pretty high in drafts.

The great thing about next yrs draft is it's stocked with good tackles.

Yes I listen to his interview when he said that...not sure how that equals to him being a project? He's gonna be our day 1 starter. I'm also not saying he should have been the pick...you will see my posts about not loving that one bit lol.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by billbird2111:
An improved defense. You must recall that during the 2.5 games that Jimmy G. played, the defense was getting steamrolled. He was forced to play catchup because the defense could be counted upon to get torched time and again.

To play catchup, you pass the ball. Give Jimmy G. a competent defense and running game, and those QB hits will go way down.

People forget we also had a lot of pressure due to our WRs being unable to separate after Goodwin was hurt and Pettis was still overwhelmed by taking on all 3 WR roles. Garcon wasn't the same after his injury, Trent Taylor(Jimmy's security blanket in 17) was messed up from his back surgery and the other guys weren't getting the job done.

We hopefully addressed the WR, our OL is intact and hopefully getting them healthy will help from Richburg's perspective. Tomlinson actually played well so Person is the weakest link and he wasn't great but he wasn't a revolving door either.

We basically got killed vs the Vikings since they have one of the most talented DLs in the league at their house where DL always plays better anyways and we lost 2 RGs in the game, our starting WR who required different looks by the D due to his speed.

Lions game was mostly coverage related pressure

Kansas City was another road game against a pass rush unit tied for league lead in sacks last year and us being down 35-10 at the half.

I'd kill to have an OL who can give Jimmy 5+ seconds per snap to read the field and make his throws but that's not realistic. If our WRs start making enough plays it will make things go much smoother. It's how the Pats run their offense. Tom gets that ball out quick and very rarely does he need extra long protection.

Imagine having a defense that only gives up two touchdowns and the score is 14-10 at halftime. Still think Jimmy gets hurt in that game? I don't. I think we stick with the original Shanahan game plan.

If ANY team is down 35-10 at the half, the defense with the big lead KNOWS the other team will be forced to throw the ball nearly every play in the second half in an attempt to catch up. No offensive line in the WORLD can provide five seconds of protection when opposing defenses KNOW the QB has to throw the ball.

Now, imagine what KC's defense would have done had the score been a little more manageable at the half? They would have been forced to contend with Breida and multiple running backs. That slows down a pass rush considerably, and gives offensive linemen a decent chance at providing better protection.

It all starts, and ends, with our defense. Yes, we need Jimmy. But if our defense can't stop anyone? We're not going anywhere with or without Jimmy.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
My whole point is that a developmental OLinemen >>> Developmental WR, which you acknowledged that we drafted one.

Pettis getting a TD was nice and he performed well. Still, WRs take longer to develop than an Olinmen, this is a fact.

Staley signing an extension doesn't make him any younger. lol. He's getting up there in age and we need to groom his replacement. That is the point.

Wishnoawsky had 3 blocked punts last season. Not reaching at all. That is a fact and that is not good. He even acknowledges that and has been working on it.

It's actually not a fact....OL coming out of college now aren't day one ready to roll (like in the past) based on all of these spread offenses. Even guys who come from a pro-style offense and win the outland trophy (Garnett) aren't plug and play anymore.

They're grooming his replacement and they drafted him 9th overall last yr. You let me know when Joe loses a step, sure as s**t wasn't last yr

So the blocked punt had nothing to do with the line protecting him? I didn't see the blocks, so I truly don't know. All I've read from draft analysis is he's ready to roll day 1.

We'll agree to disagree on whether WRs or OL are more NFL ready at draft. I think you are just saying that to support your argument and don't really believe that. Many colleges run spread offense so that doesn't even make sense. It proves that OL are more NFL spread offense ready.

Mike McGlinchey is replacing staley, but who then takes McGlinchey's spot? We need to make sure there is a tackle ready to step in. Staley is done soon, that is the point.

Wichnowsky admits himself the blocks are due to his style. Are you now going to argue Wishnowsky doesn't know his own faults?

The only downside of his final college season was three blocked punts, something he worked to eliminate during his offseason with the 49ers.
"I've got to get the ball off in 1.3 seconds, which is what I've been doing pretty consistently," Wishnowsky said. "And the snap is a .7. So if the whole operation is 2 seconds or below, you should be good. Then, also launch point. You want to pretty much as it hits your foot (you're) directly behind the snapper, so you're not at risk of getting it blocked."

Is there a rule that we cannot draft OL next year or year after that?

Next year's OL class is much stronger than this class. You want to use 2nd/3rd round picks to replace players who are playing at a high level for a few more seasons?

Originally posted by billbird2111:
Imagine having a defense that only gives up two touchdowns and the score is 14-10 at halftime. Still think Jimmy gets hurt in that game? I don't. I think we stick with the original Shanahan game plan.

If ANY team is down 35-10 at the half, the defense with the big lead KNOWS the other team will be forced to throw the ball nearly every play in the second half in an attempt to catch up. No offensive line in the WORLD can provide five seconds of protection when opposing defenses KNOW the QB has to throw the ball.

Now, imagine what KC's defense would have done had the score been a little more manageable at the half? They would have been forced to contend with Breida and multiple running backs. That slows down a pass rush considerably, and gives offensive linemen a decent chance at providing better protection.

It all starts, and ends, with our defense. Yes, we need Jimmy. But if our defense can't stop anyone? We're not going anywhere with or without Jimmy.

I agree it's all a trickle down effect.

Better pass rush should create a better defense.
Better defense should create more opportunities for the offense while helping them stay balanced.
Offense being more balanced allows them to keep the opposing defense from being able to concentrate on pass or run specifically which makes it easier to control the clock and score points.
Controlling the clock and scoring more points allows your pass rush to create havoc and get more turnovers.

It's a cycle...and one I hope we see happen very frequently with this 49ers team and as we move forward.

We don't have to go back too far to see how the offense and Jimmy looked with an even inferior OL in 2017 but a defense that was playing much better than last year early on.

Improve that OL(imo Staley, McGlinch, Tomlinson, Person and Richburg are better than Staley, Brown/Beadles, Tomlinson, Fusco and Kilgore)
Improve the WRs(no question this group is much better what we had in 2017)
Improve the RBs(ditto)
Improve the TEs(Kittle taking that game to the next level)

...QB will look much better.