Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

This thread is soooo all over the place

Actually came in here thinking there was talk of Jimmy G going on. WTF was I thinking

Let's go, Garoppolo!

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

All this Jimmy G talk is awesome, isn't it?

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
All this Jimmy G talk is awesome, isn't it?

Starting QB threads will do that.

Moment of Truth!!!!

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:

All this Jimmy G talk is awesome, isn't it?

Here this will help

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Dude had an MVP All-Pro year. Let's see him do it again.

Originally posted by NinerGM:
This is ONE example and doesn't establish a trend at all. The Patriots went to the Super Bowl in 2001 with Bledsoe and Brady, allowed 46 sacks and won, and there was no effect with the same coaching staff between the two QBs. My point is that you can't just pull one year and say this is proof, rather when you look at many HOF QBs in different systems and listen to HOF coaches in those systems, they keep saying one thing about the OL - coaching matters when it comes to development. That in my opinion carries more weight than taking one year as an example and trying to make a broader statement about one player on one team.

Let's be clear...they went to the SB with Brady. They started 0-2 with Bledsoe that year.

And you're comparing a 2nd year player with 0 starting experience to the type of QB Brady is these days? Brady's 2nd season starting with the Pats in nearly 200 more attempts his sacks taken dropped 10 from 41 to 31. You also had a rookie LT in Matt Light playing in 2001.

And i'm not even sure why you think i'm arguing against the fact that coaching on the OL mattering. Far from it. I'm simply pointing out that it's all a sum of its parts.

Great OL coaching with a guy like CJ Beathard will still get you sacked a lot. Poor OL coaching with a Tom Brady can clean up a lot but it won't make miracles happen.

Scarnecchia has been the Pats OL coach since 99. He had 2 years of his coaching with Drew Bledsoe as the starter.
55 sacks in 99
45 sacks in 00

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:
Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Mahomes is great in that offense on that team. Would he be great here? I find that hard to believe. Would he be better than Beathard or Hoyer? I find that easy to believe.

Question becomes what happens to him long term if he was drafted by us with the pressure of being the #2 overall pick or #3 assuming we make that trade with Chicago(but if we think Mahomes is our franchise QB we don't make that trade and take him at 2)

There have been many stud QBs who were hyped up like crazy who went to pathetic teams with weak rosters and basically got shell shocked. They were rushed out there to play with high expectations and simply couldn't rise up to the challenge.

Aaron Rodgers would not be the player he is today if he was drafted by us. He got to sit back behind Favre and worked with McCarthy to rework his mechanics to make him the player he is today. Had he been drafted by us and rushed out there with a weak roster week 1 without taking that time to perfect the offense and work on his mechanics we're looking at a far cry from what he is now with the Packers.

Similar situation to Mahomes. Maybe he rises up and his athletic ability alone makes him a standout but in an offense so precise street ball isn't Kyle's preference. Pretty sure it was reported that Reid adjusted things to help Mahomes use his talent and the fact that they threw all this speed out there for him shows they knew what they were doing to ensure he's hitting the ground running.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:

All this Jimmy G talk is awesome, isn't it?

Here this will help

Thanks, I needed that!

I hope he'll be able to scramble enough to improvise and avoid trouble early in the season.

Originally posted by IHATELOWELLCOHN:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Dude had an MVP All-Pro year. Let's see him do it again.

No one has ever thrown 50 TDs in a season more than one time and only one player has multiple 5000 yard seasons.

It was a historical all time great season.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Mahomes is great in that offense on that team. Would he be great here? I find that hard to believe. Would he be better than Beathard or Hoyer? I find that easy to believe.

Question becomes what happens to him long term if he was drafted by us with the pressure of being the #2 overall pick or #3 assuming we make that trade with Chicago(but if we think Mahomes is our franchise QB we don't make that trade and take him at 2)

There have been many stud QBs who were hyped up like crazy who went to pathetic teams with weak rosters and basically got shell shocked. They were rushed out there to play with high expectations and simply couldn't rise up to the challenge.

Aaron Rodgers would not be the player he is today if he was drafted by us. He got to sit back behind Favre and worked with McCarthy to rework his mechanics to make him the player he is today. Had he been drafted by us and rushed out there with a weak roster week 1 without taking that time to perfect the offense and work on his mechanics we're looking at a far cry from what he is now with the Packers.

Similar situation to Mahomes. Maybe he rises up and his athletic ability alone makes him a standout but in an offense so precise street ball isn't Kyle's preference. Pretty sure it was reported that Reid adjusted things to help Mahomes use his talent and the fact that they threw all this speed out there for him shows they knew what they were doing to ensure he's hitting the ground running.

Kyle is wrong if he thinks Mahomes would be a bad fit.
Dude would have balled out here.
I like JG but he is no Mahomes.