Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Mahomes is great in that offense on that team. Would he be great here? I find that hard to believe. Would he be better than Beathard or Hoyer? I find that easy to believe.

Question becomes what happens to him long term if he was drafted by us with the pressure of being the #2 overall pick or #3 assuming we make that trade with Chicago(but if we think Mahomes is our franchise QB we don't make that trade and take him at 2)

There have been many stud QBs who were hyped up like crazy who went to pathetic teams with weak rosters and basically got shell shocked. They were rushed out there to play with high expectations and simply couldn't rise up to the challenge.

Aaron Rodgers would not be the player he is today if he was drafted by us. He got to sit back behind Favre and worked with McCarthy to rework his mechanics to make him the player he is today. Had he been drafted by us and rushed out there with a weak roster week 1 without taking that time to perfect the offense and work on his mechanics we're looking at a far cry from what he is now with the Packers.

Similar situation to Mahomes. Maybe he rises up and his athletic ability alone makes him a standout but in an offense so precise street ball isn't Kyle's preference. Pretty sure it was reported that Reid adjusted things to help Mahomes use his talent and the fact that they threw all this speed out there for him shows they knew what they were doing to ensure he's hitting the ground running.

Kyle is wrong if he thinks Mahomes would be a bad fit.
Dude would have balled out here.
I like JG but he is no Mahomes.

Were you calling for Mahomes to be our 2nd overall pick in that draft?

And Kyle didn't say Mahomes would be a bad fit. The draft is a calculated risk.

You don't get to magically pick the guys you want to bring on the roster. You get so many picks and you have to make selections based on your board, while other teams do the same.

I'm sure Kyle would've loved to have Mahomes on the roster but at the cost of #2 overall or #3 overall? With the state of the roster?

Taking Beathard in the late 3rd round with Hoyer as the stop gap vet until we could sign Kirk Cousins without giving up any draft capital made a lot of sense for Kyle. It was the easiest way to guarantee he could get a QB he knew could run his offense no problem in the NFL.

You take a rookie top 3 without him playing in a pro offense and you're treading in dangerous waters.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:
Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Mahomes is great in that offense on that team. Would he be great here? I find that hard to believe. Would he be better than Beathard or Hoyer? I find that easy to believe.

Question becomes what happens to him long term if he was drafted by us with the pressure of being the #2 overall pick or #3 assuming we make that trade with Chicago(but if we think Mahomes is our franchise QB we don't make that trade and take him at 2)

There have been many stud QBs who were hyped up like crazy who went to pathetic teams with weak rosters and basically got shell shocked. They were rushed out there to play with high expectations and simply couldn't rise up to the challenge.

Aaron Rodgers would not be the player he is today if he was drafted by us. He got to sit back behind Favre and worked with McCarthy to rework his mechanics to make him the player he is today. Had he been drafted by us and rushed out there with a weak roster week 1 without taking that time to perfect the offense and work on his mechanics we're looking at a far cry from what he is now with the Packers.

Similar situation to Mahomes. Maybe he rises up and his athletic ability alone makes him a standout but in an offense so precise street ball isn't Kyle's preference. Pretty sure it was reported that Reid adjusted things to help Mahomes use his talent and the fact that they threw all this speed out there for him shows they knew what they were doing to ensure he's hitting the ground running.

Kyle is wrong if he thinks Mahomes would be a bad fit.
Dude would have balled out here.
I like JG but he is no Mahomes.

Were you calling for Mahomes to be our 2nd overall pick in that draft?

And Kyle didn't say Mahomes would be a bad fit. The draft is a calculated risk.

You don't get to magically pick the guys you want to bring on the roster. You get so many picks and you have to make selections based on your board, while other teams do the same.

I'm sure Kyle would've loved to have Mahomes on the roster but at the cost of #2 overall or #3 overall? With the state of the roster?

Taking Beathard in the late 3rd round with Hoyer as the stop gap vet until we could sign Kirk Cousins without giving up any draft capital made a lot of sense for Kyle. It was the easiest way to guarantee he could get a QB he knew could run his offense no problem in the NFL.

You take a rookie top 3 without him playing in a pro offense and you're treading in dangerous waters.

Make no mistake: GQ > Mahomes.

GQ is like the franchise QB that will bring us to the promised land, with help from Kyle of course. QB has better arm strength, quicker release, as good pocket presence, even his face sells tickets. We are so lucky to have GQ.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Nope, not at all. Did you see all of his games or look at his film? You will see his all pro team around him as well as his coach help so so much, people were wide open I don't even need to explain this....I'm surprised I'm even saying this because I thought it was obvious. He put up great numbers I never said anything other than that however I don't think he's a great quarterback yet. Plain and simple.

Alex Smith played at an all pro or at least an elite level his last year there so not reading too much into it. Like I said before the highest passer rating in the league as well as the most deep passes completed. That's ridiculous for Alex Smith of all people. If you watched his career you would know that he is not good at all throwing deep, not even close. As a matter of fact he is probably one of the worst quarterbacks in the league at it yet he's number one on Kansas City. Hope that's clear so unless you want to pretend that did not occur go ahead.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:
Thanks, I needed that!

I hope he'll be able to scramble enough to improvise and avoid trouble early in the season.

does not sound like a ringing endorsement for the offensive line. lol. but in any came your thoughts. to me.
goes right back to the offensive line. and yes. its fine to discuss that in a jimmy thread. they are linked at the hip

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Mahomes is great in that offense on that team. Would he be great here? I find that hard to believe. Would he be better than Beathard or Hoyer? I find that easy to believe.

Question becomes what happens to him long term if he was drafted by us with the pressure of being the #2 overall pick or #3 assuming we make that trade with Chicago(but if we think Mahomes is our franchise QB we don't make that trade and take him at 2)

There have been many stud QBs who were hyped up like crazy who went to pathetic teams with weak rosters and basically got shell shocked. They were rushed out there to play with high expectations and simply couldn't rise up to the challenge.

Aaron Rodgers would not be the player he is today if he was drafted by us. He got to sit back behind Favre and worked with McCarthy to rework his mechanics to make him the player he is today. Had he been drafted by us and rushed out there with a weak roster week 1 without taking that time to perfect the offense and work on his mechanics we're looking at a far cry from what he is now with the Packers.

Similar situation to Mahomes. Maybe he rises up and his athletic ability alone makes him a standout but in an offense so precise street ball isn't Kyle's preference. Pretty sure it was reported that Reid adjusted things to help Mahomes use his talent and the fact that they threw all this speed out there for him shows they knew what they were doing to ensure he's hitting the ground running.

Kyle is wrong if he thinks Mahomes would be a bad fit.
Dude would have balled out here.
I like JG but he is no Mahomes.

Were you calling for Mahomes to be our 2nd overall pick in that draft?

And Kyle didn't say Mahomes would be a bad fit. The draft is a calculated risk.

You don't get to magically pick the guys you want to bring on the roster. You get so many picks and you have to make selections based on your board, while other teams do the same.

I'm sure Kyle would've loved to have Mahomes on the roster but at the cost of #2 overall or #3 overall? With the state of the roster?

Taking Beathard in the late 3rd round with Hoyer as the stop gap vet until we could sign Kirk Cousins without giving up any draft capital made a lot of sense for Kyle. It was the easiest way to guarantee he could get a QB he knew could run his offense no problem in the NFL.

You take a rookie top 3 without him playing in a pro offense and you're treading in dangerous waters.

Make no mistake: GQ > Mahomes.

GQ is like the franchise QB that will bring us to the promised land, with help from Kyle of course. QB has better arm strength, quicker release, as good pocket presence, even his face sells tickets. We are so lucky to have GQ.

Lol let's pump the breaks here. I love Jimmy but Mahomes has more starting experience at this point than Jimmy and has a league MVP in that one season starting. He also clearly has a much better arm than Jimmy.

Jimmy has a lot to prove still. But Mahomes needs to prove he can keep up last year's play and Tyreek Hill being suspended potentially could certainly show us a glimpse of that offense without him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GarnerValleyFan:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:
Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Mahomes is great in that offense on that team. Would he be great here? I find that hard to believe. Would he be better than Beathard or Hoyer? I find that easy to believe.

Question becomes what happens to him long term if he was drafted by us with the pressure of being the #2 overall pick or #3 assuming we make that trade with Chicago(but if we think Mahomes is our franchise QB we don't make that trade and take him at 2)

There have been many stud QBs who were hyped up like crazy who went to pathetic teams with weak rosters and basically got shell shocked. They were rushed out there to play with high expectations and simply couldn't rise up to the challenge.

Aaron Rodgers would not be the player he is today if he was drafted by us. He got to sit back behind Favre and worked with McCarthy to rework his mechanics to make him the player he is today. Had he been drafted by us and rushed out there with a weak roster week 1 without taking that time to perfect the offense and work on his mechanics we're looking at a far cry from what he is now with the Packers.

Similar situation to Mahomes. Maybe he rises up and his athletic ability alone makes him a standout but in an offense so precise street ball isn't Kyle's preference. Pretty sure it was reported that Reid adjusted things to help Mahomes use his talent and the fact that they threw all this speed out there for him shows they knew what they were doing to ensure he's hitting the ground running.

Kyle is wrong if he thinks Mahomes would be a bad fit.
Dude would have balled out here.
I like JG but he is no Mahomes.

Were you calling for Mahomes to be our 2nd overall pick in that draft?

And Kyle didn't say Mahomes would be a bad fit. The draft is a calculated risk.

You don't get to magically pick the guys you want to bring on the roster. You get so many picks and you have to make selections based on your board, while other teams do the same.

I'm sure Kyle would've loved to have Mahomes on the roster but at the cost of #2 overall or #3 overall? With the state of the roster?

Taking Beathard in the late 3rd round with Hoyer as the stop gap vet until we could sign Kirk Cousins without giving up any draft capital made a lot of sense for Kyle. It was the easiest way to guarantee he could get a QB he knew could run his offense no problem in the NFL.

You take a rookie top 3 without him playing in a pro offense and you're treading in dangerous waters.

Make no mistake: GQ > Mahomes.

GQ is like the franchise QB that will bring us to the promised land, with help from Kyle of course. QB has better arm strength, quicker release, as good pocket presence, even his face sells tickets. We are so lucky to have GQ.

Lol let's pump the breaks here. I love Jimmy but Mahomes has more starting experience at this point than Jimmy and has a league MVP in that one season starting. He also clearly has a much better arm than Jimmy.

Jimmy has a lot to prove still. But Mahomes needs to prove he can keep up last year's play and Tyreek Hill being suspended potentially could certainly show us a glimpse of that offense without him.

Andy Reid can't win the big one, but his teams have been good enough to make 8, count 'em 8, conference championships. The overnight turnaround he accomplished in Kansas City (predicted by yours truly on my friends' blogs, blowing on fingernails after shooting gif) was similar to what Harbs did in SF, turning tons of talent and few wins into success.

As long as he's there, Mahomes will always look good. With another coach, Mahomes would still be very good imo, but with Reid it's a gimme.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

We can be clear. Bledsoe was a good QB before Brady started and him being 0-2 has nothing to do with his effectiveness against sacks as a QB. What I'm comparing is Bledsoe being a good QB followed by a 2nd year QB and that team still being effective. If anything the difference in sacks between 99 and 00 is the "Scarnecchia effect."

But again, I really don't care at all about the Brady/Patriots example alone because in the greater analysis it's one data point in a graph of many. I arrive at my conclusion based on Hoodie's actions (going out and getting a top OL coach and acquiring/developing talent), what Walsh, Holmgren, Mariucci and even Gruden ("McK has forgotten more football than I can remember.") have said about having a great OL coach and how it's so necessary for developing OL talent when a team doesn't have the luxury of acquiring (drafting or FA) top OL talent.

I agree with you that OL matters, but I don't think it's an EQUAL sum of the parts of an effective offense. Great OL coaching with a guy like CJ Beathard or Mullens will not get you hit (not sacked because I think sacks are immaterial and not as significant as hits) 125 times and you can field a productive offense. How can I say this? Because I remember the almost endless plug-and-play back-up QBs the 49ers used when Montana or Young couldn't start in addition to having an ineffective interior OL and still produced the 16th best offense last year (15th passing). There's too much data beyond just the "Brady effect" and much of that comes from this franchise in addition to direct quotes.

I do agree that a good QB can help clean up a lot when there's poor OL talent and coaching, it's just not sustainable and you risk injuring your FQB.

That should be the primary concern. May not take 125 hits to knock your FQB out for the season, it may be hit 58. The key I think, and any coach would agree, to minimize the number of hits a QB must take during a season.

I think it's crazy to put a less than talented OL out there unless you have great coaching in front of your FQB (especially one returning from a season-ending injury). Hoodie won't do it which is why he asked Scarnecchia to come out of retirement. You don't ask someone to come out of retirement if you don't think it'll have minimal effect and you can grab any joe schmoe who can coach the OL and rely on Brady to clean things up. I'm just not getting that from what Hoodie has said.

I find it incredible that I have to fight for Jimmy's protection in the JG thread. LOL.

Did anyone in here say they're thrilled with the protection we have for Jimmy?

Pocket presence is a real thing. Look no further than our own CJ Beathard. Tom Brady even early on in his career had better pocket presence and movement than Drew Bledsoe. That helps the OL.

Knowing how to read the defense to tell where the pressure is coming from so you can adjust protection helps the OL.

I agree great OL coaching is huge but when one QB leaves but the rest of the squad remains in place and the protection is reduced significantly it shows the QB helps. It doesn't somehow mean that the QB > OL coach. Brady as good as he is was getting killed in 2016 by Denver and that's what prompted them to get Dante back.

My main point was while our OL leaves things to be desired it's adequate and Jimmy can help make it look better. It doesn't somehow say that the OL is good long term and shouldn't be improved on. It should absolutely be a priority next offseason.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

And here's where we part on opinion and just agree to disagree. Our OL is not adequate and there isn't one stat that says that at all in relation to the QB (sacks and especially hits/hurries). It's been proven in many threads many times that regardless of who's under center, hits and hurries maintained the same rate/pace. Extrapolating a scenario where we're looking for a Brady effect, or expect a 49ers QB to be like Brady is wishful thinking and ignores the mountain of evidence that we're getting by with what we have without consequence.

Further, the "adequate" line is completely dependent upon a projected status, where Richburg hopefully, we think, best case scenario, returns without issue and today, going into camp, the OL will be reshuffled (kills the consistency argument) where Person is the center.

I know JG trusts the coaches but if I'm Kyle, I have a back-up to the back-up plan where we're ready to do whatever it takes to acquire a starting center via trade. If we're going to ask this offense and Jimmy to compete for a postseason birth with Person at center and a patchwork OL, let's all be realistic about the possibility of another injury to our FQB, unrealized potential and another season of what could have been.

On one hand you say you're not thrilled with his protection, but on the other you say it's okay. There's no evidence I've yet seen to suggest the 49ers are capable of protecting Jimmy adequately enough coming off of an ACL today, with those who are starting and projected to start. That has yet to be proven and because it hasn't we all should be a bit more concerned about JGs longevity.

I say it's ok because what's the alternative?

What would you have done to address the position? I feel like we've done this before but I'll ask again.

My point is you can not fix everything. Sometimes you have to take some stop gaps before you can truly upgrade the position how you want ideally.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by genus49:

I say it's ok because what's the alternative?

What would you have done to address the position? I feel like we've done this before but I'll ask again.

My point is you can not fix everything. Sometimes you have to take some stop gaps before you can truly upgrade the position how you want ideally.

Funny, we fixed pass-rush in one season with not just one, but two players (drafted and FA). I don't buy this axiom when you have cap space and future picks. The question is how important is this a priority for the team. No, you can't fix everything at once, but if anything proved it this season when your front office is determined and won't be denied, they can get it done.

We waited 3 years to address the pass rush because we didn't see edge rushers worth investing seriously in before this offseason. Do you honestly think the coaches didn't think edge rusher was a huge need last offseason when they didn't touch it in FA or draft outside of Attachou?

Who do you add? If you want to say they could've easily improved the OL if they wanted to then who is available to do so with?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cardswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/02/qb-rankings-nfc-west-russell-wilson-kyler-murray/amp/

I'm very curious where NFL gets their hit numbers from. They vary greatly from PFF.

I went back to look at the hit totals from each game since people have been bringing up the 125 hits.

Here are the per week numbers from PFF(some feel free to double check my math)

6
1
1

8
4
1
4
4
2
3
4
11
6
8
6
6

Don't have the time to look through each game to see how many actually happened.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/cardswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/02/qb-rankings-nfc-west-russell-wilson-kyler-murray/amp/

A little homerish...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/cardswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/02/qb-rankings-nfc-west-russell-wilson-kyler-murray/amp/

A little homerish...

Cards Wire

geez

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by genus49:

I'm very curious where NFL gets their hit numbers from. They vary greatly from PFF.

I went back to look at the hit totals from each game since people have been bringing up the 125 hits.

Here are the per week numbers from PFF(some feel free to double check my math)

6
1
1

8
4
1
4
4
2
3
4
11
6
8
6
6

Don't have the time to look through each game to see how many actually happened.

PFF said we had the worst running offense in the league. NFL say's we came in 13th. I have absolutely no faith in PFF. You're not going to be able to sell me their rankings/stats as credible.

I'm asking specifically where NFL got their numbers from. Problem is NFL doesn't do a per week breakdown that I can find. So I want to know where the discrepancy is.

I distrust PFF very much on OL grades but for team stats it's not really opinion based. A QB either gets hit on a play or they don't. Pressure is another story.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

This is speculation, not fact. This is based on whose quote? Lynch? Kyle? I've certainly not read that anywhere. From a draft perspective, this might be true, but absolutely not from an FA perspective. They did try to bring in FA Edge last season, we absolutely did bid high for Mack. No, I do honestly think the coaches think edge rusher was a huge need because we attempted to trade for Mack and an unknown number of players that we haven't heard about. Rapport with trade partners isn't a one-season thing, rather our persistence paid off this season with KC and Ford.

Again the standard "well who do you add" response to any time when it's clear things need addressing and team actions dictate priority. Center was a priority and I acknowledge our determination to get Richburg. I've never denied that I think some want to keep saying "you've failed to acknowledge the team has invested ... etc." Not at all. We have invested. However, today, right now, going into TC, Richburg is not starting because he's injured and no one, not even the coaches know at this stage how he'll look in pads unless they're keeping tight wraps on his recovery. I acknowledge that could be a possibility.

Again my point is simple as I stated above:

I know JG trusts the coaches but if I'm Kyle, I have a back-up to the back-up plan where we're ready to do whatever it takes to acquire a starting center via trade. If we're going to ask this offense and Jimmy to compete for a postseason birth with Person at center and a patchwork OL, let's all be realistic about the possibility of another injury to our FQB, unrealized potential and another season of what could have been.

You think it could be a "possibility" that the team is monitoring the health of one of its starters? Seriously?

And them waiting on pass rush was speculation. It was made fact by this very offseason. Not only did we trade for Ford but took Bosa at 2 overall. That's called admitting you have a huge need at the position. I said as much when fans started freaking out after they made the "you don't replace a Cassius Marsh" comments or after they extended him after the season.

We've added to the OL, some vets and rookies. Will they be the answer? Who knows. We'll find out.