Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
In the three years Kyle and lunch have been here, they definitely could have done more for the O line.
They had the money and the draft picks.
They've choose not to.

I don't agree with there choice.

What I'm saying is they should have. O-Line should be a priority, and I gave the colts as an example. You state look how long Lucks been there, but only what, two years it took them to go from last to 2nd, or 1st.

You opinion is "most" whatever the front office here does is great and perfect, & I don't agree..

Happy 4th to all!

Huh? They spent a high first rounder, spent big in FA for a center, reupped an ageless Staley and traded for a former 1st round guard that has seemed to pan out. You can debate whether these moves were good or not, but it is misleading to say they have chosen not to address the line.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
They drafted him to play end.
The team didn't need a 3t.
He was a terrible pick.

Mahomes is not a mystery. He is an elite talent at qb who threw 50 tds and 5000 yards in his first full season.

The front office was wrong. In fact, they failed miserably with their first 4 draft picks.

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

Yes, he had an elite season by any measure. Lets compare Alex's "Near MVP" season to Mahome's MVP season...
Smith: 4082 yards, 26 TD
Mahomes: 5097 yards, 50 TD
That is a drastic difference.

So 4000 yards and 40 TDs with the 49ers, or maybe only 35 TDs?
I'd take that.

Thomas was a bad pick.

Any halfway decent QB will throw up good numbers with those weapons KC has (Hill, Kelce, etc). While I do agree Thomas was a bad pick, to say Mahomes would be that good with us is just outright dumb and naive.

Literally nobody is saying that.

That's what you are implying here.

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

In the three years Kyle and lunch have been here, they definitely could have done more for the O line.
They had the money and the draft picks.
They've choose not to.

I don't agree with there choice.

What I'm saying is they should have. O-Line should be a priority, and I gave the colts as an example. You state look how long Lucks been there, but only what, two years it took them to go from last to 2nd, or 1st.

You opinion is "most" whatever the front office here does is great and perfect, & I don't agree..

Happy 4th to all!

Huh? They spent a high first rounder, spent big in FA for a center, reupped an ageless Staley and traded for a former 1st round guard that has seemed to pan out. You can debate whether these moves were good or not, but it is misleading to say they have chosen not to address the line.

And still lead the league in sacks/hits and did nothing to address it this third year

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Indy Colts
Luck was getting beat up year after year, they fix the line and now what are they for pass protection and sacks? How often is Luck getting hit now?

Fixing the line into a top 10 unit in pass protection should have been priority 1A/1/B the day Kyle and Lynch took over.

How long has Luck been there though and they finally now have an OL worth talking about?

Adding to the OL just to add to it doesn't make sense when it's not the best bang for your buck and while you have other huge needs like we do.

Quenton Nelson was a no brainer pick for them. Guy was about as safe a pick as you can get. Braden Smith was also a really good pick, not nearly as safe but he was very talented and they doubled down. That after taking Kelly prior with him being a very safe pick as well.

I'm sure we'll do something similar soon but the draft has to work out for us like that.

In the three years Kyle and lunch have been here, they definitely could have done more for the O line.
They had the money and the draft picks.
They've choose not to.

I don't agree with there choice.

What I'm saying is they should have. O-Line should be a priority, and I gave the colts as an example. You state look how long Lucks been there, but only what, two years it took them to go from last to 2nd, or 1st.

You opinion is "most" whatever the front office here does is great and perfect, & I don't agree..

Happy 4th to all!

What would you have done? Let's hear your masterful OL rebuild plan.

Easy to complain.

I would have addressed the line from day one to ensure we didn't lead the league in hits/sacks..

And since we lead it again last year, I definitely would have addressed it again this last off season.

Complaining?
Lol

I'm gonna point out things this front office drops the ball on.. especially since there is no excuse for it.

I don't have blind support of this front office till they prove me wrong.
That's like the solo Thomas (Disclaimer, I support ST) supporters justifying why he hasn't lived up to his draft pick by saying he was being played out of position, without pointing the finger at Kyle/Lynch for playing him out of position. There's no excuse for it, among others they play out of position.

People on here say Kyle could have done what Harbaugh did or won the SB of Kyle would have taken over when Harbaugh did.. I call b******t.
Kyle would have still broomed all the players that "didn't fit his system" which we had a ton of them when Harbaugh took over. Harbaugh did an amazing job when he stepped in.

Sorry back to Jimmy G!!

Let's hope his lighting quick release and his amazing smile keeps him from getting injured this year, this team and us fans deserve an injury free season!

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

They drafted him to play end.
The team didn't need a 3t.
He was a terrible pick.

Mahomes is not a mystery. He is an elite talent at qb who threw 50 tds and 5000 yards in his first full season.

The front office was wrong. In fact, they failed miserably with their first 4 draft picks.

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

Yes, he had an elite season by any measure. Lets compare Alex's "Near MVP" season to Mahome's MVP season...
Smith: 4082 yards, 26 TD
Mahomes: 5097 yards, 50 TD
That is a drastic difference.

So 4000 yards and 40 TDs with the 49ers, or maybe only 35 TDs?
I'd take that.

Thomas was a bad pick.

Any halfway decent QB will throw up good numbers with those weapons KC has (Hill, Kelce, etc). While I do agree Thomas was a bad pick, to say Mahomes would be that good with us is just outright dumb and naive.

Literally nobody is saying that.

That's what you are implying here.

I am saying he is a great qb who would be a great qb for the 49ers. The best qb the team could have.
I am not saying he would have top 3 all time season statistically like he had in kc.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I agree - this year should be seen as a developmental year. Get Jimmy back in the groove along with the young guys. Next year is the year we should look for competing and going for the NFC West.

F That! Super Bowl or Bust should be our attitude.

You couldn't do that the last couple of years, but you can now. Sure, a lot has to go right, including several backups panning out, but at least now there is a chance that can happen. That's different.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Elite talent at QB who didn't go in the top 5? He's got an elite arm but there were obviously questions about him. He wasn't even the first QB drafted that year.

He put up huge numbers after sitting behind Alex Smith pretty much his whole rookie season. He's got a stacked offense which made Alex Smith look like an MVP candidate the year prior with less talent at WR.

Yes it's a stretch to assume if Mahomes plays here in 2017 behind our OL with our skill players that he's anywhere close to what he looked like this year for KC.

As for Thomas they said they drafted him to play the Michael Bennett role, which is to play outside in base them move inside on pass downs. That sure as chit wasn't happening.

People often forget Patrick m had an all pro receiver, running back and tight end not to mention a great line protecting him and weapons all over the place. There is no question he would've done a lot worse on the 49ers. No doubt in my mind as well as everybody else's. So people can stop pretending it was such a bad miss by not picking him up.

Alex Smith had the most deep passes on Kansas City in the nfl that last year!!!!!. Nothing more needs to be said. That has got to be a joke because that was his biggest limitation and his biggest knock. So let's stop pretending Patrick Mahomes is so great. Alex Smith was also the highest rated quarterback. Are you noticing a pattern? In what world is Alex Smith the top rated passer and deep passer? Mahomes is very good but I like Jimmy G and his ability to go through progressions and everything that comes with him.

LOL, if you look at his numbers and call Mahomes anything but great, you are pretending.
Dude is great.

Nope, not at all. Did you see all of his games or look at his film? You will see his all pro team around him as well as his coach help so so much, people were wide open I don't even need to explain this....I'm surprised I'm even saying this because I thought it was obvious. He put up great numbers I never said anything other than that however I don't think he's a great quarterback yet. Plain and simple.

Alex Smith played at an all pro or at least an elite level his last year there so not reading too much into it. Like I said before the highest passer rating in the league as well as the most deep passes completed. That's ridiculous for Alex Smith of all people. If you watched his career you would know that he is not good at all throwing deep, not even close. As a matter of fact he is probably one of the worst quarterbacks in the league at it yet he's number one on Kansas City. Hope that's clear so unless you want to pretend that did not occur go ahead.

You don't think a qb who throws for 5000 yards and 50 TDs is great?
LOL

Comparing Alex Smith's 2017 to Mahomes 2018 is like comparing Gabbert's 2016 to Steve Young's 1998. It is irrelevant.

for real, what's so hard about seeing Mahomes greatness?

And what is so hard about seeing the greatness surrounding him at skill positions and coaching?

Anyways back to Jimmy G spot, he will improve the lines ranking probably by 10 or so spots like he did in 2017. With his quick release and effectiveness as a quarterback, the line may actually improve as well

And remember how the defense improved many spots it was top 10 as a matter of fact when he was in because of his long drives and third down efficiency as well has the average drive an average points per Drive I believe these are all number one or close to number one. We have a top-five quarterback he will eventually prove it this year or the next

Got to love Florio still stirring the pot.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Got to love Florio still stirring the pot.

Garoppolo makes quick, accurate reads. You can't lose that. Kyle's going to be working with him in 2020, however he performs in 2019.

Mullins does also, and CJ is too mentally slow. I don't believe "they are even" is anything more than motivation, for both of them.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Kyle is wrong if he thinks Mahomes would be a bad fit.
Dude would have balled out here.
I like JG but he is no Mahomes.

Stop crowning Mahomes. Let's see how he does during his sophomore campaign. We thought Dak was hot stuff too and he came down to earth.

Originally posted by BleedsRedNGold:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Kyle is wrong if he thinks Mahomes would be a bad fit.
Dude would have balled out here.
I like JG but he is no Mahomes.

Stop crowning Mahomes. Let's see how he does during his sophomore campaign. We thought Dak was hot stuff too and he came down to earth.

Exactly.

Even early on in the season last year, some analyst said that on 3rd down the Chiefs run a standard offense and all the Andy Reid gadgetry cannot be used.

Mahomes is a decent QB but relies heavily on athleticism........the type of athleticism that sprung the game open in the AFCC against the Patriots with that roll out pass. But before that he was getting schematically shut down.

As I've said before, I will gladly stand all by myself in saying that Mahomes still needs to prove himself a bit. He's good maybe very good, but let's see what he does his sophomore season.

0-2 against Patriots when many teams with lesser QBs have done better, should give people pause.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Indy Colts
Luck was getting beat up year after year, they fix the line and now what are they for pass protection and sacks? How often is Luck getting hit now?

Fixing the line into a top 10 unit in pass protection should have been priority 1A/1/B the day Kyle and Lynch took over.

How long has Luck been there though and they finally now have an OL worth talking about?

Adding to the OL just to add to it doesn't make sense when it's not the best bang for your buck and while you have other huge needs like we do.

Quenton Nelson was a no brainer pick for them. Guy was about as safe a pick as you can get. Braden Smith was also a really good pick, not nearly as safe but he was very talented and they doubled down. That after taking Kelly prior with him being a very safe pick as well.

I'm sure we'll do something similar soon but the draft has to work out for us like that.

In the three years Kyle and lunch have been here, they definitely could have done more for the O line.
They had the money and the draft picks.
They've choose not to.

I don't agree with there choice.

What I'm saying is they should have. O-Line should be a priority, and I gave the colts as an example. You state look how long Lucks been there, but only what, two years it took them to go from last to 2nd, or 1st.

You opinion is "most" whatever the front office here does is great and perfect, & I don't agree..

Happy 4th to all!

What would you have done? Let's hear your masterful OL rebuild plan.

Easy to complain.

I would have addressed the line from day one to ensure we didn't lead the league in hits/sacks..

And since we lead it again last year, I definitely would have addressed it again this last off season.

Complaining?
Lol

I'm gonna point out things this front office drops the ball on.. especially since there is no excuse for it.

I don't have blind support of this front office till they prove me wrong.
That's like the solo Thomas (Disclaimer, I support ST) supporters justifying why he hasn't lived up to his draft pick by saying he was being played out of position, without pointing the finger at Kyle/Lynch for playing him out of position. There's no excuse for it, among others they play out of position.

People on here say Kyle could have done what Harbaugh did or won the SB of Kyle would have taken over when Harbaugh did.. I call b******t.
Kyle would have still broomed all the players that "didn't fit his system" which we had a ton of them when Harbaugh took over. Harbaugh did an amazing job when he stepped in.

Sorry back to Jimmy G!!

Let's hope his lighting quick release and his amazing smile keeps him from getting injured this year, this team and us fans deserve an injury free season!

Sorry if this comes off dickish but saying you would've addressed the position from day one without actually giving any specific names is a cop out.

You keep saying you don't have blind faith in the team and that's fine. I'm not saying all their moves are terrific. But in my opinion if you want to criticize the regime and say they didn't do enough to address OL then show us what you would have done if you were them. That includes players involved.

Fact is out of the 5 projected starters on our OL this year 4 of them were acquired by this front office. The 5th guy has a chance to get into the HOF and definitely one of the best tackles we've had on this team.

Saying they haven't addressed OL is crazy. Especially after last offseason when they gave Richburg a huge deal and drafted McGlinchey at #9 overall.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

100% complete speculation. We "hope" we are returning 5 starters from last year and we "hope" we have improved the skill players. Debo Samual and Jalen Hurd are rookies. Tevin Coleman is the only skill player we've added of consequence. Matthews is returning from injury and has had a lot of injuries. Pettis we hope will make the next leap. So the "improved" assessment is essentially one player.

Again I'm not about stating what isn't and being realistic about what is today, and being very clear about calling out what I hope will happen. Not even the coaches know 100% that we've "improved the skill players."

Us returning our 5 starters is fact not speculation. Not sure what you're even talking about.

Richburg is playing and healthy already? That's a guarantee?

What I said is fact and cannot be disputed.

All 5 starters on the OL last year are still on this team. Those are facts.

Any player can get injured at any point. It doesn't change the fact that all 5 guys are on the team.

You're complaining just to complain.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Got to love Florio still stirring the pot.

Florid is like a one note trumpet....and it/ he plays it in F minor. Same old b.s. with the same wacky reasoning. He's entitled to his opinion but sure comes out sounding like a huckster out for clicks.

Two points to make on some previous posts. First Mile Florio is an idiot. I remember when his site first appeared I thought it was some sort of a joke where some guy I had never heard of kept posting what he claimed was "insider" information which rarely ever proved to be correct. I don't think much has changed since then. I prefer to believe the evidence of my own eyes over his take on almost anything. Garoppolo has a chance to be pretty darn good. I was watching some clip from the most recent OTA's of him practicing with the other QB's. He still has really quick feet getting away from the line, faster than any one else on the team and that mic'd up segment they did of him at the Titan's game in 2017 where he was talking to his receivers and essentially predicting what was going to happen to them on each play was pretty impressive as well. I'll admit he seemed a bit off in the games he played last year but I seem to recall that a lot of the film analysis that followed those games showed that many of the breakdowns were on the receiver's end and not his. I expect him to rebound this year and will be surprised if he doesn't.

As regards our offensive line and people who like to claim it should have been a "top priority", all I can say is that, apart from Joe Staley there isn't a single starter on the line who was even on the team in 2016. In fact, apart from Staley, I don't think there is a single player at those positions who was even with the team in 2016 except maybe Garnett. Now one can argue that the moves they have made there haven't been as effective as perhaps they had hoped, but to say that they haven't tried to address the issues on the line or that they haven't made it a priority is just silly. As with most of the negative "opinions" in this forum it almost always comes down to is, "well, they didn't do what I thought they should do, so therefore they don't know what they are doing"