Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

I don't see this year as a make or break for Jimmy. He just needs to get back in the groove and focus on getting better each game. There should be no pressure to make the playoffs - that's for next year.

Florio's article is little more than massive clickbait. Write about something that's not impossible but highly unlikely in the down time of the off-season for clicks. Yeah. Not surprised it's by him either.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

As with most of the negative "opinions" in this forum it almost always comes down to is, "well, they didn't do what I thought they should do, so therefore they don't know what they are doing"

Pretty much sums it up, lol.

Originally posted by genus49:
Sorry if this comes off dickish but saying you would've addressed the position from day one without actually giving any specific names is a cop out.

You keep saying you don't have blind faith in the team and that's fine. I'm not saying all their moves are terrific. But in my opinion if you want to criticize the regime and say they didn't do enough to address OL then show us what you would have done if you were them. That includes players involved.

Fact is out of the 5 projected starters on our OL this year 4 of them were acquired by this front office. The 5th guy has a chance to get into the HOF and definitely one of the best tackles we've had on this team.

Saying they haven't addressed OL is crazy. Especially after last offseason when they gave Richburg a huge deal and drafted McGlinchey at #9 overall.

truth is if they used the picks we used to upgrade Edge/WR to upgrade OL, then people would be complaining about not upgrading those positions.

People also need to look at how the shanahan's have built their teams and what they value...as far as OL goes it's clear, they have always valued tackles and center.

Kyle and Mike rocked guys like Kory Lichtensteiger & Chris Chester for yrs at guard.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Florio's article is little more than massive clickbait. Write about something that's not impossible but highly unlikely in the down time of the off-season for clicks. Yeah. Not surprised it's by him either.

I was going to post just that. It's complete crap and worst case speculation.

I can write a similar article about the Patriots moving on from Tom Brady in 2020. All i need is to add some BS speculation of some horrible worst case scenario event happening and I have my story.

The poor kid from the Dolphins just lost his arm in a car accident. I'm sure Florio has an article ready to go if Tom Brady takes up wood working as a hobby.

Jimmy isn't going anywhere any time soon. Sure if he plays just awful next year there is major concern to be had but he's coming off a knee injury and still only has a handful of games as a starter in the NFL.

I'm not worried at all, he's shown enough starting QB qualities in those limited starts that I'm 100% confident if he's healthy he's helping us win football games.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Sorry if this comes off dickish but saying you would've addressed the position from day one without actually giving any specific names is a cop out.

You keep saying you don't have blind faith in the team and that's fine. I'm not saying all their moves are terrific. But in my opinion if you want to criticize the regime and say they didn't do enough to address OL then show us what you would have done if you were them. That includes players involved.

Fact is out of the 5 projected starters on our OL this year 4 of them were acquired by this front office. The 5th guy has a chance to get into the HOF and definitely one of the best tackles we've had on this team.

Saying they haven't addressed OL is crazy. Especially after last offseason when they gave Richburg a huge deal and drafted McGlinchey at #9 overall.

truth is if they used the picks we used to upgrade Edge/WR to upgrade OL, then people would be complaining about not upgrading those positions.

People also need to look at how the shanahan's have built their teams and what they value...as far as OL goes it's clearly they have always valued tackles and center.

Kyle and Mike rocked guys like Kory Lichtensteiger & Chris Chester for yrs.

Oh no question which is why I'm asking for their plan. Saying we should've addressed OL is great and makes sense...when you start breaking down HOW and with WHOM that's when you end up realizing that in order to get better OL talent you're sacrificing other positions and like it or not this team needs a lot of help.

Which is why while I'm not thrilled with the state of the OL, I understand it's a stop gap and much like I was telling people in the pass rusher threads that Watson and Marsh would be stop gaps until this offseason I'm expecting the same thing with OL being a big push next year with the deep class.

You can't address everything so you have to be smart about it. I was hoping someone like Lindstrom or Bradburry would drop to our 2nd rounder...not even close. I would've taken Risner there but clearly Kyle is very fond of Samuel and hopefully he's right about him. IMO this was a very top heavy OL class.

I'm ok with us riding it out with the guys we have and trying to develop them then hopefully replace them with better guys much like we did with Kilgore and Marsh. Though Richburg needs to stay healthy and play better. He's key in that middle.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by FL9er:

Got to love Florio still stirring the pot.

Florid is like a one note trumpet....and it/ he plays it in F minor. Same old b.s. with the same wacky reasoning. He's entitled to his opinion but sure comes out sounding like a huckster out for clicks.

While imo it's all click bait & about making stories because it's July....the fact is JG does have to show up this yr.

Most of his guaranteed cash is done after this season. He's got a $19.6M cap hit this yr, BUT it shoots up to $26.6M in 2020 SF would only take on $4M in dead money if they moved on.

I hope he "earns" that cash and plays out his contract, facts are you can't pay a dude that much if he underperforms AND you can move on without taking much of a hit.

I get why Florio is making those comments ..he's looking how easy of an out SF has if he doesn't play well.

Originally posted by genus49:

Oh no question which is why I'm asking for their plan. Saying we should've addressed OL is great and makes sense...when you start breaking down HOW and with WHOM that's when you end up realizing that in order to get better OL talent you're sacrificing other positions and like it or not this team needs a lot of help.

Which is why while I'm not thrilled with the state of the OL, I understand it's a stop gap and much like I was telling people in the pass rusher threads that Watson and Marsh would be stop gaps until this offseason I'm expecting the same thing with OL being a big push next year with the deep class.

You can't address everything so you have to be smart about it. I was hoping someone like Lindstrom or Bradburry would drop to our 2nd rounder...not even close. I would've taken Risner there but clearly Kyle is very fond of Samuel and hopefully he's right about him. IMO this was a very top heavy OL class.

I'm ok with us riding it out with the guys we have and trying to develop them then hopefully replace them with better guys much like we did with Kilgore and Marsh. Though Richburg needs to stay healthy and play better. He's key in that middle.

Word, agreed.

It's kinda pointless to ask "what would you do" IMO as well...at this point it will be just cherrypicking players. "I would have draft Joe blow in the 5th rd who's now a starter"

While I would have liked some depth picks to develop that OL, especially IOL (in 2018 draft), they went in a different direction going after LBer/DB.

Regardless, people would just be complaining about them not "upgrading" at another position.

I also agree richburg needs to get healthy and they all need continuity...he's calling the protections and he's also making top end cash, he needs to prove his worth this yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
Oh no question which is why I'm asking for their plan. Saying we should've addressed OL is great and makes sense...when you start breaking down HOW and with WHOM that's when you end up realizing that in order to get better OL talent you're sacrificing other positions and like it or not this team needs a lot of help.

Which is why while I'm not thrilled with the state of the OL, I understand it's a stop gap and much like I was telling people in the pass rusher threads that Watson and Marsh would be stop gaps until this offseason I'm expecting the same thing with OL being a big push next year with the deep class.

You can't address everything so you have to be smart about it. I was hoping someone like Lindstrom or Bradburry would drop to our 2nd rounder...not even close. I would've taken Risner there but clearly Kyle is very fond of Samuel and hopefully he's right about him. IMO this was a very top heavy OL class.

I'm ok with us riding it out with the guys we have and trying to develop them then hopefully replace them with better guys much like we did with Kilgore and Marsh. Though Richburg needs to stay healthy and play better. He's key in that middle.

Word, agreed.

It's kinda pointless to ask "what would you do" IMO as well...at this point it will be just cherrypicking players. "I would have draft Joe blow in the 5th rd who's now a starter"

While I would have liked some depth picks to develop that OL, especially IOL (in 2018 draft), they went in a different direction going after LBer/DB.

Regardless, people would just be complaining about them not "upgrading" at another position.

I also agree richburg needs to get healthy and they all need continuity...he's calling the protections and he's also making top end cash, he needs to prove his worth this yr.

Lets just see what the QB have looked like under Kyle:

Brian Hoyer (6 games)
Record (0-6)
Points per Game (18.8)
Yards per Game (331.8)

CJ Beathard (10 games)
Record (1-9)
Points per Game (17.4)
Yards per Game (321.3)

NIck Mullens (8 games)
Record (3-5)
Points per Game (21.1)
Yards per Game (372.9)

Jimmy G (8 games)
Record (6-2)
Points per Game (27.1)
Yards per Game (390.9)

Yep....I'm sure he's really looking to moving on from the only QB that has shown actually elite production and for those that want to just ignore Jimmy's 2017 he was still at almost 360 ypg and over 24 ppg. So when Jimmy was "struggling" he was still scoring more points than any other QB we've had on roster.

When almost every position needs help, you take the BPA. That is the opposite of a "plan" to prioritize a position group. Now we are targeting what got left behind by the luck of the draw, like Edge and WR.

Thinking they should've gone in different directions than players like Kittle 2 yrs ago is one thing. We have data out by now to clearly back such an argument into a corner. We can most certainly label that poster as a complainer.

Now,...thinking they should've gone in a different direction than players selected here in 2019...barely a couple months ago....players that as of today haven't proven SQUAT...is what we'd like to call on message boards HAVING AN OPINION.

If you disagree,... that should be as legal and valid as you agreeing with the takes we made. I think someone a few posts ago called it simply agreeing to disagree until guys actually take the field to show otherwise.

Football is a somewhat unique sport as we've all had the opportunity to closely follow many of these kids in college beyond a few highlights here and there. Shunning people that simply disagree with choices the team has made -- with zero data to show they are either right or wrong -- is the actual complaining for the sake of complaining that's going on here.

Shoot their arguments down on why these players were better takes than other players. Shut them up on our guys' merits. Arguing we need depth and "we had to take someone so they're good takes" is pretty much wasted space on here,....as we all know some guys will go on to become superstars,...and others duds. A good part of why we watch so closely to begin with. By all means,...please don't try to take that away from other fans if it's not your cup o' tea to disagree with front offices.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Lets just see what the QB have looked like under Kyle:

Brian Hoyer (6 games)
Record (0-6)
Points per Game (18.8)
Yards per Game (331.8)

CJ Beathard (10 games)
Record (1-9)
Points per Game (17.4)
Yards per Game (321.3)

NIck Mullens (8 games)
Record (3-5)
Points per Game (21.1)
Yards per Game (372.9)

Jimmy G (8 games)
Record (6-2)
Points per Game (27.1)
Yards per Game (390.9)

Yep....I'm sure he's really looking to moving on from the only QB that has shown actually elite production and for those that want to just ignore Jimmy's 2017 he was still at almost 360 ypg and over 24 ppg. So when Jimmy was "struggling" he was still scoring more points than any other QB we've had on roster.

Oh no doubt I think this team is massively better with him, stats back it up. I posted this article (which has before/after of that 2017 season)

https://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/29986/by-the-numbers-jimmy-garoppolo-made-49ers-better-at-everything

I mean you can see the difference in yards per play.



The only thing I'm saying and we need to be conscientious of it...is his contract.

This is his last yr of true guaranteed cash. His cap moves from $19.6M to $26.7M in 2020. He's gotta show he can stay healthy and play to the caliber of that money. Simple as that. SF can move on from him without taking any sort of real dead money hit in 2020 (like $4M which is nothing to move on from a contract like that).

I'm team JG and want him to play out that contact and another one...if he s**ts the bed this yr, are you willing to fork over $27M the following yr? That's a conversation that will be looked at and rightfully so.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Why is disagreement complaining NY? Naturally, you're going to have different opinions in a fan base. I reject this notion that if you don't agree with me, you're complaining. I recall during the Baalke era many people didn't agree with you, in fact, it was the majority. Were you "complaining" then? I've seen how Kyle built teams and it's not a perfect approach, but rather was a philosophy in the making. Further, not all those teams had the same personnel man in charge. To oversimply this as some flat philosophy that Kyle has used from to place to place is IMHO, ignoring huge significant nuance (especially the Atlanta example).

Just calling disagreement complaining only makes your arguments less credible, not more. I know you aren't but it just comes across as so irrationally homerish that it's hard to believe at times.

That's fair, I won't use the word complaining and I'll use disagreeing.

I'm simply pointing out this is how his father and him have built their OLs. It shouldn't come as a shock. There's plenty of examples, They value certain positions more than others...I'm willing to bet a lot of coaches and FOs do that as well.

I mean kyle had Chris Chester in ATL as his RG while there (and in DC)...he wasn't some pro-bowl guard but fit this profile, no? adam levitre was his left guard and by the time Levitre got to ATL he was looking more bust then anything. I'd say that OL got work done for them

Again I'm not saying they shouldn't upgrade when possible...I'm all for having the best OL in football if that's doable. This roster overall was dogs**t when they got here and everything, everything needed to be upgraded....I do think it's save to say if they drafted all of these IOLs, they probably would be lacking elsewhere and yes some people might be "disagreeing" about not fixing those spots just as well.

IMO the roster is still a work in progress.

Originally posted by random49er:

Thinking they should've gone in different directions than players like Kittle 2 yrs ago is one thing. We have data out by now to clearly back such an argument into a corner. We can most certainly label that poster as a complainer.

Now,...thinking they should've gone in a different direction than players selected here in 2019...barely a couple months ago....players that as of today haven't proven SQUAT...is what we'd like to call on message boards HAVING AN OPINION.

If you disagree,... that should be as legal and valid as you agreeing with the takes we made. I think someone a few posts ago called it simply agreeing to disagree until guys actually take the field to show otherwise.

Football is a somewhat unique sport as we've all had the opportunity to closely follow many of these kids in college beyond a few highlights here and there. Shunning people that simply disagree with choices the team has made -- with zero data to show they are either right or wrong -- is the actual complaining for the sake of complaining that's going on here.

Shoot their arguments down on why these players were better takes than other players. Shut them up on our guys' merits. Arguing we need depth and "we had to take someone so they're good takes" is pretty much wasted space on here,....as we all know some guys will go on to become superstars,...and others duds. A good part of why we watch so closely to begin with. By all means,...please don't try to take that away from other fans if it's not your cup o' tea to disagree with front offices.

That's fair

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Lets just see what the QB have looked like under Kyle:

Brian Hoyer (6 games)
Record (0-6)
Points per Game (18.8)
Yards per Game (331.8)

CJ Beathard (10 games)
Record (1-9)
Points per Game (17.4)
Yards per Game (321.3)

NIck Mullens (8 games)
Record (3-5)
Points per Game (21.1)
Yards per Game (372.9)

Jimmy G (8 games)
Record (6-2)
Points per Game (27.1)
Yards per Game (390.9)

Yep....I'm sure he's really looking to moving on from the only QB that has shown actually elite production and for those that want to just ignore Jimmy's 2017 he was still at almost 360 ypg and over 24 ppg. So when Jimmy was "struggling" he was still scoring more points than any other QB we've had on roster.

Oh no doubt I think this team is massively better with him, stats back it up. I posted this article (which has before/after of that 2017 season)

https://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/29986/by-the-numbers-jimmy-garoppolo-made-49ers-better-at-everything

I mean you can see the difference in yards per play.



The only thing I'm saying and we need to be conscientious of it...is his contract.

This is his last yr of true guaranteed cash. His cap moves from $19.6M to $26.7M in 2020. He's gotta show he can stay healthy and play to the caliber of that money. Simple as that. SF can move on from him without taking any sort of real dead money hit in 2020 (like $4M which is nothing to move on from a contract like that).

I'm team JG and want him to play out that contact and another one...if he s**ts the bed this yr, are you willing to fork over $27M the following yr? That's a conversation that will be looked at and rightfully so.

He'd really have to s**t the bed to move on from what would be his first full season as starter. Let's just put it this way, if his 2018 stretch struggling is bad Jimmy G then we are gonna be extremely lucky. He was clean turnover wise in 2 of the 3 games and despite not looking overly good still completed over 66% in 2 of the 3 games and averaged over 24 ppg. Let's hope that's was the floor.