Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

Florio's article is little more than massive clickbait. Write about something that's not impossible but highly unlikely in the down time of the off-season for clicks. Yeah. Not surprised it's by him either.

It's just more bulletin board material for JG.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Florio's article is little more than massive clickbait. Write about something that's not impossible but highly unlikely in the down time of the off-season for clicks. Yeah. Not surprised it's by him either.

Great call OTC!

Originally posted by mayo49:
I don't see this year as a make or break for Jimmy. He just needs to get back in the groove and focus on getting better each game. There should be no pressure to make the playoffs - that's for next year.

Agree

My real concern isn't JG but the pass protection he gets.

Originally posted by Niners816:

He'd really have to s**t the bed to move on from what would be his first full season as starter. Let's just put it this way, if his 2018 stretch struggling is bad Jimmy G then we are gonna be extremely lucky. He was clean turnover wise in 2 of the 3 games and despite not looking overly good still completed over 66% in 2 of the 3 games and averaged over 24 ppg. Let's hope that's was the floor.

Oh I agree he'd have to be pretty horrible to not get another yr....but people gotta understand they can move off JG very easily after this yr (money wise)

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
truth is if they used the picks we used to upgrade Edge/WR to upgrade OL, then people would be complaining about not upgrading those positions.

People also need to look at how the shanahan's have built their teams and what they value...as far as OL goes it's clear, they have always valued tackles and center.

Kyle and Mike rocked guys like Kory Lichtensteiger & Chris Chester for yrs at guard.

Why is disagreement complaining NY? Naturally, you're going to have different opinions in a fan base. I reject this notion that if you don't agree with me, you're complaining. I recall during the Baalke era many people didn't agree with you, in fact, it was the majority. Were you "complaining" then? I've seen how Kyle built teams and it's not a perfect approach, but rather was a philosophy in the making. Further, not all those teams had the same personnel man in charge. To oversimply this as some flat philosophy that Kyle has used from to place to place is IMHO, ignoring huge significant nuance (especially the Atlanta example).

Just calling disagreement complaining only makes your arguments less credible, not more. I know you aren't but it just comes across as so irrationally homerish that it's hard to believe at times.

It's complaining just to complain when you don't offer alternative scenarios, specific scenarios.

We won't know how any of these guys play until they prove themselves, that is true. But there is a difference in saying "we didn't address OL enough" and saying "I think our OL is a much bigger need than we clearly believe, I would've rather us draft player X instead of player Y"

If you're not putting yourself out there with specific opinions it's easy to complain and odds are you'll be right. Odds are our OL will not be 5 all pros playing perfectly so you'll be correct that the position needs improvement.

At what cost?

I don't even care if people use hindsight to make their thoughts known about how we should've addressed OL better than we have...but let's make it realistic.

Don't go back and replace Reuben Foster with Ryan Ramczyk or Forrest Lamp.

Feel free to go back and look at my mock drafts prior to this draft, I was all aboard the OL early camp and typically had us going with OL in round 2. But I also cannot argue that WR was an issue. So do you take the 8th best OL, 4th best IOL prospect or take the 3rd best WR? That's not even getting into Kyle's preferences for his scheme cuz I would argue Deebo could've been his top WR.

I would've liked to see what our move would be if Chris Lindstrom or Garrett Bradbury were also available at that pick.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Lets just see what the QB have looked like under Kyle:

Brian Hoyer (6 games)
Record (0-6)
Points per Game (18.8)
Yards per Game (331.8)

CJ Beathard (10 games)
Record (1-9)
Points per Game (17.4)
Yards per Game (321.3)

NIck Mullens (8 games)
Record (3-5)
Points per Game (21.1)
Yards per Game (372.9)

Jimmy G (8 games)
Record (6-2)
Points per Game (27.1)
Yards per Game (390.9)

Yep....I'm sure he's really looking to moving on from the only QB that has shown actually elite production and for those that want to just ignore Jimmy's 2017 he was still at almost 360 ypg and over 24 ppg. So when Jimmy was "struggling" he was still scoring more points than any other QB we've had on roster.

Oh no doubt I think this team is massively better with him, stats back it up. I posted this article (which has before/after of that 2017 season)

https://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/29986/by-the-numbers-jimmy-garoppolo-made-49ers-better-at-everything

I mean you can see the difference in yards per play.



The only thing I'm saying and we need to be conscientious of it...is his contract.

This is his last yr of true guaranteed cash. His cap moves from $19.6M to $26.7M in 2020. He's gotta show he can stay healthy and play to the caliber of that money. Simple as that. SF can move on from him without taking any sort of real dead money hit in 2020 (like $4M which is nothing to move on from a contract like that).

I'm team JG and want him to play out that contact and another one...if he s**ts the bed this yr, are you willing to fork over $27M the following yr? That's a conversation that will be looked at and rightfully so.

If JG isn't the 49ers FQB of the future, Lynch has to go and maybe Kyle too.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

If JG isn't the 49ers FQB of the future, Lynch has to go and maybe Kyle too.

K

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

If JG isn't the 49ers FQB of the future, Lynch has to go and maybe Kyle too.

K

It must be Passive Aggressive Friday.
Why not sack up and tell me how you disagree?

You and others are discussing Kyle and Lynch moving on from JG. It won't happen because it would cost them their jobs unless Mullens turned into a top 10 FQB.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
If JG isn't the 49ers FQB of the future, Lynch has to go and maybe Kyle too.

K

It must be Passive Aggressive Friday.
Why not sack up and tell me how you disagree?

You and others are discussing Kyle and Lynch moving on from JG. It won't happen because it would cost them their jobs unless Mullens turned into a top 10 FQB.

It's not so cut and dry. We have to see what happens first.

The 2nd round pick for Jimmy G was a no brainer move for us especially since we had 2 2nd round picks.

Now if Jimmy fails because he's healthy and he's just not playing well that's another story and coaching/front office positions will be under the microscope as a result because very rarely do you see the starting QB struggle and it result in winning football games.

However if we're throwing out hypotheticals then what happens if we look like the 2016 Broncos? Where Manning their starting QB was the worst QB in the league but they won the SB...do you fire the coach/GM for winning a SB?

That's pretty much the conversation we're having right now....all speculation based on nothing.

Kyle and John are on a much shorter leash. Year 3 you need to start seeing returns on the rebuild project. Well let's see how things go before we bother talking about what happens if it fails. What if it is a huge success?

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

It must be Passive Aggressive Friday.
Why not sack up and tell me how you disagree?

You and others are discussing Kyle and Lynch moving on from JG. It won't happen because it would cost them their jobs unless Mullens turned into a top 10 FQB.

So what you just want to argue? I'll I've stated is financially they can move off JG in a yr very easily.

I think kyle is a good god damn coach and he would get scooped up in a heartbeat if we let him go. I'm not firing him if JG doesn't turn into our FQB. If you disagree that's fine.

Lynch wasn't my pick for GM, he's very good at the PR stuff but I wouldn't hate it they decided to upgrade there.

so far under kyles direction. we have lost winnable close games. we have not been ready to play in many games and we can not win road games. before anyone rolls out the long scroll of excuses from players to injuries to bad luck and refs. while some people just love kyle, if we come out stumbling and bumbling around. then he gets looked at real close. lets see how jimmy does after he takes a few hits for real. with our weak offensive line. that should not be to hard

Go Jimmy G!!

Originally posted by cciowa:

so far under kyles direction. we have lost winnable close games. we have not been ready to play in many games and we can not win road games. before anyone rolls out the long scroll of excuses from players to injuries to bad luck and refs. while some people just love kyle, if we come out stumbling and bumbling around. then he gets looked at real close. lets see how jimmy does after he takes a few hits for real. with our weak offensive line. that should not be to hard

They are not "excuses" when they are actually "reasons"

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
It must be Passive Aggressive Friday.
Why not sack up and tell me how you disagree?

You and others are discussing Kyle and Lynch moving on from JG. It won't happen because it would cost them their jobs unless Mullens turned into a top 10 FQB.

So what you just want to argue? I'll I've stated is financially they can move off JG in a yr very easily.

I think kyle is a good god damn coach and he would get scooped up in a heartbeat if we let him go. I'm not firing him if JG doesn't turn into our FQB. If you disagree that's fine.

Lynch wasn't my pick for GM, he's very good at the PR stuff but I wouldn't hate it they decided to upgrade there.

I think Lynch has been a good GM for Kyle, basically Lynch is Kyle's right hand man regarding scouting and talent acquisition. He basically does what Kyle tells him to do. (example: Joe Williams) As long as Kyle lets John work on the defensive side and Kyle stays on the offensive side (generally speaking) it's going to be a good GM/HC team. I don't want another HarBaalke kind of relationship where a New GM doesn't get along with Kyle.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by cciowa:
so far under kyles direction. we have lost winnable close games. we have not been ready to play in many games and we can not win road games. before anyone rolls out the long scroll of excuses from players to injuries to bad luck and refs. while some people just love kyle, if we come out stumbling and bumbling around. then he gets looked at real close. lets see how jimmy does after he takes a few hits for real. with our weak offensive line. that should not be to hard

They are not "excuses" when they are actually "reasons"

I think Kyle's done pretty well considering all the stuff he had to deal with. I mean Jimmy going down, McKinnon going down, rookie mistakes in Reuben and Joe Williams. I think he's a better head coach now, than he was in 2017. He's going to get better as the years go on. But I also think he has to begin to translate those efforts into wins, and I'm fully confident he can with the offseason moves of getting Dee Ford and Bosa. Bosa was a big acquisition, if you ask me. I view him as a game changer like Aldon Smith was for the franchise. Without Aldon Smith, Harbaugh isn't going to the NFC Championship game.