Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

It must be Passive Aggressive Friday.
Why not sack up and tell me how you disagree?

You and others are discussing Kyle and Lynch moving on from JG. It won't happen because it would cost them their jobs unless Mullens turned into a top 10 FQB.

So what you just want to argue? I'll I've stated is financially they can move off JG in a yr very easily.

I think kyle is a good god damn coach and he would get scooped up in a heartbeat if we let him go. I'm not firing him if JG doesn't turn into our FQB. If you disagree that's fine.

Lynch wasn't my pick for GM, he's very good at the PR stuff but I wouldn't hate it they decided to upgrade there.

I think Lynch has been a good GM for Kyle, basically Lynch is Kyle's right hand man regarding scouting and talent acquisition. He basically does what Kyle tells him to do. (example: Joe Williams) As long as Kyle lets John work on the defensive side and Kyle stays on the offensive side (generally speaking) it's going to be a good GM/HC team. I don't want another HarBaalke kind of relationship where a New GM doesn't get along with Kyle.

Originally posted by Giedi:

I think Lynch has been a good GM for Kyle, basically Lynch is Kyle's right hand man regarding scouting and talent acquisition. He basically does what Kyle tells him to do. (example: Joe Williams) As long as Kyle lets John work on the defensive side and Kyle stays on the offensive side (generally speaking) it's going to be a good GM/HC team. I don't want another HarBaalke kind of relationship where a New GM doesn't get along with Kyle.

Yup, another Harbaw/ Baalke dust up , where there was obvious friction between the two...GM and HC..., is not conducive to producing a good team. And as it turned out...we didh't.

Originally posted by cciowa:
so far under kyles direction. we have lost winnable close games. we have not been ready to play in many games and we can not win road games. before anyone rolls out the long scroll of excuses from players to injuries to bad luck and refs. while some people just love kyle, if we come out stumbling and bumbling around. then he gets looked at real close. lets see how jimmy does after he takes a few hits for real. with our weak offensive line. that should not be to hard

OR you can say with Kyle that we also almost won 10 extra games (less then 7 points) the past two seasons with a far less talent roster almost every time.

If you can't acknowledge that health (lack there of) played a role in loses then you're not being objective. Toss in lack of talent.

If you lose your starting QB along with your backup....I don't care who you are, the likelihood of you winning much of anything is not good. I'm not sure how that's hard for some people to grasp?

The fact that they were even in games to beat the Chargers, Packers, Bears etc IMO says something considering who we were trotting out there.

I guess it's all in how you look at it.

What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Oh no doubt I think this team is massively better with him, stats back it up. I posted this article (which has before/after of that 2017 season)

https://www.espn.com/blog/san-francisco-49ers/post/_/id/29986/by-the-numbers-jimmy-garoppolo-made-49ers-better-at-everything

I mean you can see the difference in yards per play.



The only thing I'm saying and we need to be conscientious of it...is his contract.

This is his last yr of true guaranteed cash. His cap moves from $19.6M to $26.7M in 2020. He's gotta show he can stay healthy and play to the caliber of that money. Simple as that. SF can move on from him without taking any sort of real dead money hit in 2020 (like $4M which is nothing to move on from a contract like that).

I'm team JG and want him to play out that contact and another one...if he s**ts the bed this yr, are you willing to fork over $27M the following yr? That's a conversation that will be looked at and rightfully so.

I agree with you. I think Jimmy needs to produce this year, and with Kyle as his coach. He will. I'm fully confident of that. Having said that, if Jimmy does tank this year, I think Mullens is a great stop-gap QB while the team picks a possible first round QB pick next year for Kyle. I think Mullens can get us 8-8 or 9-7 with Bosa and Ford (again assuming Jimmy tanks) and then that first rounder can take over Mullens spot in 2021 - and I'm hoping if Kyle takes a QB, he'll go hybrid and get a RB/QB kind of player since he has Mullens to keep things steady (a la Alex Smith for Mahomes) like in KC.

Again, I think Jimmy is going to be all pro this year, and talk of replacing Jimmy will disappear by the 3rd or 4th game of the season when he hits 400+ average yards passing and 30+ average points scoring.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:
so far under kyles direction. we have lost winnable close games. we have not been ready to play in many games and we can not win road games. before anyone rolls out the long scroll of excuses from players to injuries to bad luck and refs. while some people just love kyle, if we come out stumbling and bumbling around. then he gets looked at real close. lets see how jimmy does after he takes a few hits for real. with our weak offensive line. that should not be to hard

OR you can say with Kyle that we also almost won 10 extra games (less then 7 points) the past two seasons with a far less talent roster almost every time.

If you can't acknowledge that health (lack there of) played a role in loses then you're not being objective. Toss in lack of talent.

If you lose your starting QB along with your backup....I don't care who you are, the likelihood of you winning much of anything is not good. I'm not sure how that's hard for some people to grasp?

The fact that they were even in games to beat the Chargers, Packers, Bears etc IMO says something considering who we were trotting out there.

I guess it's all in how you look at it.

You got to forgive CC for being Captain Negative. Without him, what are we going to talk about.

Originally posted by All22:
What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by cciowa:

so far under kyles direction. we have lost winnable close games. we have not been ready to play in many games and we can not win road games. before anyone rolls out the long scroll of excuses from players to injuries to bad luck and refs. while some people just love kyle, if we come out stumbling and bumbling around. then he gets looked at real close. lets see how jimmy does after he takes a few hits for real. with our weak offensive line. that should not be to hard

OR you can say with Kyle that we also almost won 10 extra games (less then 7 points) the past two seasons with a far less talent roster almost every time.

If you can't acknowledge that health (lack there of) played a role in loses then you're not being objective. Toss in lack of talent.

If you lose your starting QB along with your backup....I don't care who you are, the likelihood of you winning much of anything is not good. I'm not sure how that's hard for some people to grasp?

The fact that they were even in games to beat the Chargers, Packers, Bears etc IMO says something considering who we were trotting out there.

I guess it's all in how you look at it.

We've only been favored in 6 of the 32 games under Kyle. I believe this paints a picture of the talent situation we've seen.

Originally posted by All22:

What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

Kyle with anybody but CJ and Hoyer at QB:

9-7
382 ypg
24.1 ppg

I'd argue given the injuries and talent deficiency on roster these numbers above far exceed what they should and speaks to Kyle's ability as a playcaller.

Originally posted by All22:

What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

Couldn't agree more

Originally posted by Niners816:

Kyle with anybody but CJ and Hoyer at QB:

9-7
382 ypg
24.1 ppg

I'd argue given the injuries and talent deficiency on roster these numbers above far exceed what they should and speaks to Kyle's ability as a playcaller.

The only person that has any shot of being let go after this season imo is Saleh.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by cciowa:
so far under kyles direction. we have lost winnable close games. we have not been ready to play in many games and we can not win road games. before anyone rolls out the long scroll of excuses from players to injuries to bad luck and refs. while some people just love kyle, if we come out stumbling and bumbling around. then he gets looked at real close. lets see how jimmy does after he takes a few hits for real. with our weak offensive line. that should not be to hard

They are not "excuses" when they are actually "reasons"

This team was not very good before the excuses. i mean the reasons. in my opinion.

Originally posted by All22:
What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

i was never opposed to much to his hire in the first place.. i am just not as amazed by him as some are. at least he understood he needed to revamp the wide outs. but i just want our team ready to play that first game in a strange time zone. lets start with some basics first. some wins instead of almost wins. some wins instead of moral wins before we can ink him in for ten years

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The only person that has any shot of being let go after this season imo is Saleh.

i would like to think if we come out stumbling around on defense. despite the infusion of better players on that side of the ball.. his firing will take place before then

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by All22:
What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

i was never opposed to much to his hire in the first place.. i am just not as amazed by him as some are. at least he understood he needed to revamp the wide outs. but i just want our team ready to play that first game in a strange time zone. lets start with some basics first. some wins instead of almost wins. some wins instead of moral wins before we can ink him in for ten years

How about we start by seeing what it looks like without crippling injuries at almost all levels that include the franchise QB?

Interesting take on Jimmy vs Kirk Cousins.

If you needed a quarterback for the following three situations--assuming both are under the conditions--who would you select:
3rd & 7:
A 40-yard bomb:

NFC Championship Game

3rd & 7: If the play develops as it should, I'm actually taking Cousins here. Cousins is at his best when things go according to plan. He's still incredibly accurate and very good at going through his progressions. However, if the play breaks down, I'll take Garoppolo. While I was just fine with the Vikings moving on from Case Keenum after his storybook season in 2017--Keenum turned back into a pumpkin in Denver orange last year--he was a much better improviser than Cousins. Garoppolo

A 40-yard bomb: I'm going to lean Cousins here. He was quietly one of the better deep passers in the league last season. He had a 106.8 quarterback rating including 13 TDs and 3 INTs when throwing deep according to Pro Football Focus. That wasn't all Stefon Diggs and Adam Thielen bailing him out either; his quarterback rating throwing deep in 2017 was 106.4. There just isn't enough data to know whether Garoppolo is a proficient deep passer in the NFL yet, so I'll take the known quantity in this case.

The NFC Championship: This is a trick question, right? The Vikings have been to the NFC Championship Game five times in my lifetime, with five different quarterbacks, and all of them suffered the same disastrous fate in horrifyingly unique ways. I'm starting to believe that Joe Montana from Tecmo Super Bowl couldn't win an NFCCG if he were wearing a Vikings uniform. But since I'm pretty sure you asked this as a serious question, I'll definitely take Garoppolo here. I'd much rather have the combined excitement of potential and the unknown over the combined tortured histories of the Vikings and Cousins.
https://www.ninersnation.com/2019/7/5/20683231/49ers-quarterback-jimmy-garpoppolo-versus-kirk-cousins

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