Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Niners816:
Kyle with anybody but CJ and Hoyer at QB:

9-7
382 ypg
24.1 ppg

I'd argue given the injuries and talent deficiency on roster these numbers above far exceed what they should and speaks to Kyle's ability as a playcaller.

Kyle = God

That's all there's to it, give the man a 5 year contract extension already.

posted this article awhile ago...Mike Renner of PFF broke down the good/bad of JG after 2017.

THE GOOD
There's a lot. The 5-0 record, 28.8 points per game, and 8.8 yards per attempt are all obviously great, but almost every single advanced stat we have backs it up as being for real. 35.2 percent of his attempts this season were positively graded, by far the highest of any quarterback in the NFL. MVP candidates Carson Wentz and Tom Brady didn't even crack 30 percent. He's not simply living off a quick/short passing game either. Over his five starts, Garoppolo completed 63.2 percent of his passes in the intermediate range at 10.8 yards per attempt. That's where the elite quarterbacks make their money, and Garoppolo is following that blueprint to a 'T'.

What makes the numbers above even crazier is that he was playing with – on paper – one of the worst supporting casts in the NFL. His No. 1 receiver, Marquise Goodwin, was most recently the No. 3 option in Buffalo a season ago. His second favorite target, Trent Taylor, is a rookie fifth-round pick. His starting tight end, George Kittle, is also a rookie fifth-round pick. Outside of All-Pro Joe Staley and Carlos Hyde, every other significant player in that offense is a cast-off that was had for bargain prices. This is not the cast Kyle Shanahan had last year in Atlanta, yet the results are nearly the same.
What's arguably more encouraging than pure results going forward, is the comfort level with which Jimmy G plays. Whether it's his superb pocket presence or fearlessness under pressure, there's no panic in his game. He completed 62.3 percent of his passes under duress this season, the highest figure for a quarterback since 2014. When under pressure, he took sacks only 12.9 percent of the time – the sixth lowest rate of any starter. While he did throw four of his picks when faced with pressure, those numbers are far more likely to fluctuate season-to-season. His poise, accuracy, and decision making all scream franchise quarterback.

THE BAD
Despite the preponderance of positives, there is one legitimate knock on Garoppolo to watch heading into 2017: the deep ball. Of his 12 deepest passes thrown, he completed only one. And through five games, he only notched three completions targeted farther than 20 yards down the field. That extrapolates out to only 10 deep completions over the course of a full season – an unsustainably low rate we've never seen for a productive quarterback over 16 games.
His low Playmaker Index (the ratio of Big Time Throws divided by Turnover Worthy Throws) highlights this further. Playmaker Index measures how explosive a quarterback can be while still taking care of the football and is often fairly stable from year-to-year. Anything over 2.0 is considered elite while anything under 1.0 is usually a problem. This season, Matt Ryan, Alex Smith, and Brady all eclipsed 2.0 while Cam Newton, Jameis Winston, Eli Manning, Derek Carr and DeShone Kizer are the most notable starters under 1.0. Garoppolo came in at 1.0 on the dot in his five-game audition with four TWTs and four BTTs, an even split.

This might not necessarily improve overnight either. Garoppolo's arm strength is average to below average for the position in the NFL and his two targets 40-plus yards downfield really floated as they reached their target. Brady though, was never a great deep ball thrower before 2007 and has been generally inconsistent in that regard throughout his career, and I think we've all seen how that turned out.

THE OUTLOOK
Even though there are reasons for pause, this is no fluke. This is no Brock Osweiler or Mike Glennon. This is no 'maybe he'll develop into the guy'. This is elite quarterbacking right now. In Seth Wickersham's report this week on the power struggles in New England, he claimed Bill Belichick hand-picked the 49ers and offensive guru Kyle Shanahan as the destination for Garoppolo because of how much the Patriots' coach believed in Jimmy G as a franchise quarterback.
Now, he undoubtedly is one. With a healthy Jimmy G for 16 games, a young roster that will only add talent with the most cap space of any team heading into the offseason (an estimated $114 million), and Shanahan at head coach, the 49ers are a lock to make the playoffs in 2018.

IMHO I think he has plenty of arm strength, that's not the problem...it's his footwork on the long ball attempts. We've seen him step into his throw properly and make a pretty deep pass, it's just far from consistent. Hopefully he's working on that.

Personally my biggest issue with Jimmy is turnovers and I do think that will go down once he's fully in control of the offense much like he was in his two NE starts.

It may not be on the level of Tom Brady because Jimmy is a gun slinger and some of those passes we were drooling about were super dangerous so you have to take the good with the bad...the Brett Favre effect if you will.

I think the deep game passing will get there. It's more timing than accuracy but I like that he's working on his mechanics this offseason and the chemistry will come with consistency at the receiver position.

Honestly our biggest issue is we need our guys to stay healthy. I think we have the talent to make some really good things happen but need the starters to play. i know that's across the NFL but for a team that's working on a rebuild you can't afford impact injuries to key players and recover.

I'm down to keep Shanny for a bit. His offense is great. However, Saleh and Lynch I'm not sold on.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Lets just see what the QB have looked like under Kyle:

Brian Hoyer (6 games)
Record (0-6)
Points per Game (18.8)
Yards per Game (331.8)

CJ Beathard (10 games)
Record (1-9)
Points per Game (17.4)
Yards per Game (321.3)

NIck Mullens (8 games)
Record (3-5)
Points per Game (21.1)
Yards per Game (372.9)

Jimmy G (8 games)
Record (6-2)
Points per Game (27.1)
Yards per Game (390.9)

Yep....I'm sure he's really looking to moving on from the only QB that has shown actually elite production and for those that want to just ignore Jimmy's 2017 he was still at almost 360 ypg and over 24 ppg. So when Jimmy was "struggling" he was still scoring more points than any other QB we've had on roster.

Thank you! People seem to forget he was playing the number one defense in their home opener vs minn, people also seem to forget that the Chiefs had a home opener against us as well. They neglect all of the injuries. I doubt any quarterback in the league could do much better than Garoppolo with that MASH unit and that's including the top five quarterbacks in the league.

Some people need to think before they talk because Jimmy Garoppolo is a great quarterback, especially when his protection is solid and with good weapons for a change. Imagine if he had great weapons

Originally posted by Dajanksta:

I'm down to keep Shanny for a bit. His offense is great. However, Saleh and Lynch I'm not sold on.

100% agree

With the new secondary coach and defensive line coach I'm pretty sure he's on a short leash calling the defense and it's too bad because our defense is going to improve dramatically with Jimmy Garoppolo playing as we've seen before. (2017 Mainly because they're not on the field as long) so he's going to look a lot better than he actually is bc of the Great improvements we have made on that side of the ball

Originally posted by All22:

What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

They won't give you a solid answer. If they did, then they couldn't bash the new hc as well.

COUSINS' not worth a penny IMO.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by All22:
What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

They won't give you a solid answer. If they did, then they couldn't bash the new hc as well.

I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

Originally posted by 9moon:

I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Alternative scenarios? Who gets to make the discussion rules? I've offered what I feel is sound football opinion. If you don't agree with it, you alone don't get to set the standard for what is acceptable football discussion in a fan forum.

You share an opinion based on your own assessment. The moment someone present sound logical reasoning why your 100% opinion might not be the only perspective, you call that complaining. And when you can't answer hard questions, you stop speaking altogether or change the topic. And then when that doesn't work, you use the tried and true straw man tactic, inventing stuff none ever said, mixed in with a little hyperbole to "win" a discussion where there's no competition (eg - Odds are our OL will not be 5 all pros playing perfectly so you'll be correct that the position needs improvement).

You feel the team is great, specifically the OL. But here's the crazy part; I never said here's how we should "fix" the OL right now. My point was about how we should approach an OL that's missing it's starting center. I even said I'm willing to wait (go back and read it if you like), but if I'm Kyle I have some serious contingencies to protect Jimmy G because Person as a starting center probably isn't the best outcome.

I'm not going to rehash every conversation with you simply because you insist on it. This is a discussion and if there isn't mutual respect of ideas, then the whole discussion loses purpose. 8 pages ago, I showed you respect and said "we might have to agree to disagree" about who we see the *same* things on this team. Rather than agreeing to disagree, you pressed your point and when I questioned it, you called it complaining.

Don't believe me, go back and re-read the posts.

So again the more I hear "complaining" the less I see a reasoned response. I get it. You need to have the last word on this, so I will oblige.

I'm not just talking about you. There have been numerous people bringing up the idea that we didn't address OL enough without offering up what their plan would have been.

When people do that to me that is basically complaining to complain because if we put resources into OL it would leave other positions weak and I'm sure complaints about how we didn't address those would come out.

We can agree to disagree. I legit was curious what you thought could've been done to improve the OL to the point where you didn't have the concerns that you do.

If anything I would say the fact that we didn't really address Center in a big way indicates we're expecting Richburg back for week 1. But you're right, we'll see what happens there.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

HANG ON HANG ON... so you're saying IF Kingsbury and his Mickey Mouse offensive idea does not work in Arizona, then it justifies what Darko posted about NOT having NFL experience??

BY THE WAY, where's Darko?? how come he ain't backin up his last post regarding NO NFL experience..

.. Look what C-Petersen did at Boise State as well as how he turned University of Washington around almost overnight..

.. man, if you know how to coach, you can be one anywhere.. IMO

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

HANG ON HANG ON... so you're saying IF Kingsbury and his Mickey Mouse offensive idea does not work in Arizona, then it justifies what Darko posted about NOT having NFL experience??

BY THE WAY, where's Darko?? how come he ain't backin up his last post regarding NO NFL experience..

.. Look what C-Petersen did at Boise State as well as how he turned University of Washington around almost overnight..

.. man, if you know how to coach, you can be one anywhere.. IMO

Coaching in college vs NFL is different. You're dealing with kids in college but grown ass men getting sometimes more than you in the NFL.

We' ve seen a lot more college to NFL failures than successes imo. Obviously each guy is different but when you're getting ready for a rebuild and going through to your 4th HC in 4 years you better go with someone who at least coached in the NFL in some capacity with good results.

Petersen is a better hire for a team just looking for something fresh after a long time HC not getting it done but not a full rebuild. He would've been a good one for Packers to kick the tires on.