Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

HANG ON HANG ON... so you're saying IF Kingsbury and his Mickey Mouse offensive idea does not work in Arizona, then it justifies what Darko posted about NOT having NFL experience??

BY THE WAY, where's Darko?? how come he ain't backin up his last post regarding NO NFL experience..

.. Look what C-Petersen did at Boise State as well as how he turned University of Washington around almost overnight..

.. man, if you know how to coach, you can be one anywhere.. IMO

Coaching in college vs NFL is different. You're dealing with kids in college but grown ass men getting sometimes more than you in the NFL.

We' ve seen a lot more college to NFL failures than successes imo. Obviously each guy is different but when you're getting ready for a rebuild and going through to your 4th HC in 4 years you better go with someone who at least coached in the NFL in some capacity with good results.

Petersen is a better hire for a team just looking for something fresh after a long time HC not getting it done but not a full rebuild. He would've been a good one for Packers to kick the tires on.

aside that the GB's QB is better than ours at the moment, how are we different from them that made you believe CP fits there and not here?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by All22:

What coach are you going to hire that's better than Kyle?

*Maybe* you fire Saleh to bring in a more innovative defensive scheme but Kyle is our Sean Peyton. He should be here for 10+ years.

They won't give you a solid answer. If they did, then they couldn't bash the new hc as well.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

I actually agree with what Kyle did in Atlanta, but I also realize he had a different personnel guy and a better OL coach. I hope that whoever he's working with in SF, they continue to find and develop great players. I'm so hungry for a big leap in offensive performance. I know we all want to see this team dominate. Every day say I say a quick prayer to the football gods for Richburg to heal way ahead of schedule.

Wait Chris Morgan is a better OL coach than John Benton?? I don't really agree with that.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

HANG ON HANG ON... so you're saying IF Kingsbury and his Mickey Mouse offensive idea does not work in Arizona, then it justifies what Darko posted about NOT having NFL experience??

BY THE WAY, where's Darko?? how come he ain't backin up his last post regarding NO NFL experience..

.. Look what C-Petersen did at Boise State as well as how he turned University of Washington around almost overnight..

.. man, if you know how to coach, you can be one anywhere.. IMO

Coaching in college vs NFL is different. You're dealing with kids in college but grown ass men getting sometimes more than you in the NFL.

We' ve seen a lot more college to NFL failures than successes imo. Obviously each guy is different but when you're getting ready for a rebuild and going through to your 4th HC in 4 years you better go with someone who at least coached in the NFL in some capacity with good results.

Petersen is a better hire for a team just looking for something fresh after a long time HC not getting it done but not a full rebuild. He would've been a good one for Packers to kick the tires on.

aside that the GB's QB is better than ours at the moment, how are we different from them that made you believe CP fits there and not here?

Ahmm...were you planning on replacing Kyle Shanahan for this season?

Because if you're talking about hiring CP instead of Shanahan that's a vastly inferior roster for him to coach with than GB all over.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

HANG ON HANG ON... so you're saying IF Kingsbury and his Mickey Mouse offensive idea does not work in Arizona, then it justifies what Darko posted about NOT having NFL experience??

BY THE WAY, where's Darko?? how come he ain't backin up his last post regarding NO NFL experience..

.. Look what C-Petersen did at Boise State as well as how he turned University of Washington around almost overnight..

.. man, if you know how to coach, you can be one anywhere.. IMO

Coaching in college vs NFL is different. You're dealing with kids in college but grown ass men getting sometimes more than you in the NFL.

We' ve seen a lot more college to NFL failures than successes imo. Obviously each guy is different but when you're getting ready for a rebuild and going through to your 4th HC in 4 years you better go with someone who at least coached in the NFL in some capacity with good results.

Petersen is a better hire for a team just looking for something fresh after a long time HC not getting it done but not a full rebuild. He would've been a good one for Packers to kick the tires on.

aside that the GB's QB is better than ours at the moment, how are we different from them that made you believe CP fits there and not here?

Ahmm...were you planning on replacing Kyle Shanahan for this season?

Because if you're talking about hiring CP instead of Shanahan that's a vastly inferior roster for him to coach with than GB all over.

just like at the UW, it would have been the time to hire CP (IMO) .. he would have filled up our roster w/his type of players.. not sure about you guys, but he seems to have players who always over achieve.. offense and defense... he knows how to spot talent as well..

his offenses has always been creative as well..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

HANG ON HANG ON... so you're saying IF Kingsbury and his Mickey Mouse offensive idea does not work in Arizona, then it justifies what Darko posted about NOT having NFL experience??

BY THE WAY, where's Darko?? how come he ain't backin up his last post regarding NO NFL experience..

.. Look what C-Petersen did at Boise State as well as how he turned University of Washington around almost overnight..

.. man, if you know how to coach, you can be one anywhere.. IMO

Coaching in college vs NFL is different. You're dealing with kids in college but grown ass men getting sometimes more than you in the NFL.

We' ve seen a lot more college to NFL failures than successes imo. Obviously each guy is different but when you're getting ready for a rebuild and going through to your 4th HC in 4 years you better go with someone who at least coached in the NFL in some capacity with good results.

Petersen is a better hire for a team just looking for something fresh after a long time HC not getting it done but not a full rebuild. He would've been a good one for Packers to kick the tires on.

aside that the GB's QB is better than ours at the moment, how are we different from them that made you believe CP fits there and not here?

Ahmm...were you planning on replacing Kyle Shanahan for this season?

Because if you're talking about hiring CP instead of Shanahan that's a vastly inferior roster for him to coach with than GB all over.

just like at the UW, it would have been the time to hire CP (IMO) .. he would have filled up our roster w/his type of players.. not sure about you guys, but he seems to have players who always over achieve.. offense and defense... he knows how to spot talent as well..

his offenses has always been creative as well..

College recruiting and NFL talent acquisition is VASTLY different. Some guys just make much better college coaches and there's nothing wrong with that. See Nick Saban.

The 1966 Ford Thunderbird, amazing car. My mom drove an emerald green and a red one when I was in junior high and high school. The green one saved my life when a drunk driver caused a five car pile up in 1990.

You guys are driving me crazy here. This is posted as a Jimmy G thread and all I see on this page is OL and head coach arguments Can we stay on topic please. If you want to talk OL or head coach there are threads for that. Otherwise this forum gets confusing and you have to keep scrolling back and back to find out what the original statements were.

God dammit! Page 1967!! Well, I tried.



Jimmy is a good QB.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

Well, Coach Walsh had the best tutor at the time, and he wasn't just an NFL coach. He coached DBs, LBs, DLs, OLs, QBs, WRs, RBs, and TEs. He literally had been a coach at every position on the field and was ready for HC job long before he left and went to Stanford out of frustration. He was kept back by his HC because Bill was so damn talented at every position on the team. When he came to Stanford he straightened that program around and took them to Bowl games. Good ones , too. Once he hit the pros as a HC, the guy was THE BEST coach ever to take over a deadbeat losing team and turn it around. He excelled at talent evaluation, Qb coaching, player development, WR coaching, DB coaching , OCing, DCing, and on down the line. The travesty was that while an assistant coach he was held back because he was so damn important to his NFL coach at the time. Bill Walsh was ready to be a NFL HC long, long before he stepped foot into the NFL.

It was a massive stroke of luck for us that he went to Stanford , because if he had coached in the SEC or Atlantic conference, Big 10, or SW conference, i doubt he would have been hired here. But being next door to 49ers Blvd, even the hapless 49ers couldn't miss the greatness that was right next door.

Behind every great story, it is amazing how often success came from a stroke of luck ....somewhere down the line. And we ended up hiring the one guy who was brilliant at every position on the field...and was a football genius to boot. Next time you take a gander at those 5 SB trophies, think about just how lucky we were. He easily could have gone elsewhere ...and probably would have...if it were not for the proximity of Stanford to the 49ers home field.

Originally posted by 9moon:

just like at the UW, it would have been the time to hire CP (IMO) .. he would have filled up our roster w/his type of players.. not sure about you guys, but he seems to have players who always over achieve.. offense and defense... he knows how to spot talent as well..

his offenses has always been creative as well..

I think his offense has been top 15 once since going to Washington dudes been consistently closer to 50th ranked in offense. That's not really amazing imo.

You'd be one of the only people in the world that would prefer Peterson to shanahan.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
just like at the UW, it would have been the time to hire CP (IMO) .. he would have filled up our roster w/his type of players.. not sure about you guys, but he seems to have players who always over achieve.. offense and defense... he knows how to spot talent as well..

his offenses has always been creative as well..

I think his offense has been top 15 once since going to Washington dudes been consistently closer to 50th ranked in offense. That's not really amazing imo.

You'd be one of the only people in the world that would prefer Peterson to shanahan.

Chris Peterson over Shanahan or any Shanahan, C'mon 9moon now you're getting outta hand just stick with the nick names bro.

I would have loved for the Niners to have hired Coach Pete. That said, I am four square on board with Kyle.

Peterson is an innovative offensive mind that gets more out of his players than anyone on the planet. The history of his guys from Boise going to the NFL is not a good one, as they were so well coached, they looked better than they were. They couldn't compete with the bigger schools with big programs n recruiting the bigger, stronger, and faster athletes, so he always had to out smart them and out coach them. That is not so much true anymore now that he is no longer at Boise and they do attract better athletes now. When Kellen Moore showed up, even he couldn't believe that scrawny guy was here to be a player, and had to ask him what position he played. After his stellar college career, he was a backup qb in Dallas, then the QB coach, and now their OC.

Kyle has spent his entire lifetime studying how to beat NFL defenses, so he has a jump on Peterson there. Coach Pete, imo, is the more complete coach in that he will coach up his players at every position as well or better than anyone, and likewise motivate them and make them believe they can and will beat the better team.

Kyle, imo, needs a strong assistant staff to be on the field making players better. I don't believe that is his strong suit. He also has a reputation for having favorites, and I believe that to be true. While not always crap, he over evaluates guys like Garçon, Hoyer, Cousins, and Beathard, and perhaps Selah and some of his other assistant coaches.

Walsh was held back because Paul Brown thought him too cerebral and not tough enough. His quiet manner led people to misjudge his toughness. Walsh was Really tough. He released almost all of his Hall of Fame superstars before they thought they were ready, and he did not tolerate players on the field messing up his game plans, and the result was Lombardi's.

Is Kyle that tough? I don't think he is. On that score, I'd put my money on Coach Pete.

Chris Peterson is not a goofy college coach like Chip Kelly or Kingsbury. He runs a system much closer to an NFL offense.

I'd have been happy with either Kyle, Peterson, or McVay, all with their own strengths and weaknesses, but I'm all in on Kyle, and hope he is strong enough to make the changes needed to get a great staff.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:
just like at the UW, it would have been the time to hire CP (IMO) .. he would have filled up our roster w/his type of players.. not sure about you guys, but he seems to have players who always over achieve.. offense and defense... he knows how to spot talent as well..

his offenses has always been creative as well..

I think his offense has been top 15 once since going to Washington dudes been consistently closer to 50th ranked in offense. That's not really amazing imo.

You'd be one of the only people in the world that would prefer Peterson to shanahan.

... AND???

It'll be a lot easier for CP to duplicate what Shanny has done thus far, but Shanny would have a hard time duplicating what CP has done at Boise and Washington..

Considering that he's had lesser talent at Boise State and at Washington and able to compete w/the big boys almost over night tells you what type of coach he is no matter what kind of players he has..

Don't get me wrong because I'm happy with Shanny, our offense is almost complete so there shouldn't be any excuses this year..

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I still think that Chris Petersen should have been the pick as a HC .. he's just more complete to me..

A guy who has no nfl experience?

damn, you got me on that one bro.. you got me..

C-Petersen would have been a wrong hire because he has no NFL experience.. just like the late Bill Walsh and Jimmy Johnson..

Bill Walsh at least had NFL coaching experience even if not HC. Jimmy Johnson didn't but times are much different now. Hard to bring the college game into the NFL and find success. We'll see how Kingsbury does.

HANG ON HANG ON... so you're saying IF Kingsbury and his Mickey Mouse offensive idea does not work in Arizona, then it justifies what Darko posted about NOT having NFL experience??

BY THE WAY, where's Darko?? how come he ain't backin up his last post regarding NO NFL experience..

.. Look what C-Petersen did at Boise State as well as how he turned University of Washington around almost overnight..

.. man, if you know how to coach, you can be one anywhere.. IMO

Coaching in college vs NFL is different. You're dealing with kids in college but grown ass men getting sometimes more than you in the NFL.

We' ve seen a lot more college to NFL failures than successes imo. Obviously each guy is different but when you're getting ready for a rebuild and going through to your 4th HC in 4 years you better go with someone who at least coached in the NFL in some capacity with good results.

Petersen is a better hire for a team just looking for something fresh after a long time HC not getting it done but not a full rebuild. He would've been a good one for Packers to kick the tires on.

aside that the GB's QB is better than ours at the moment, how are we different from them that made you believe CP fits there and not here?

Ahmm...were you planning on replacing Kyle Shanahan for this season?

Because if you're talking about hiring CP instead of Shanahan that's a vastly inferior roster for him to coach with than GB all over.

just like at the UW, it would have been the time to hire CP (IMO) .. he would have filled up our roster w/his type of players.. not sure about you guys, but he seems to have players who always over achieve.. offense and defense... he knows how to spot talent as well..

his offenses has always been creative as well..

College recruiting and NFL talent acquisition is VASTLY different. Some guys just make much better college coaches and there's nothing wrong with that. See Nick Saban.

.. Saban did fail w/the Dolphins.... who knows, maybe he can be a wonderful coach in the NFL the 2nd time around... just look at Pete Carroll..