Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Jimmy's knee will be fine. It was a freak 1 in 10,000 non-contact injury. Jimmy won't be juking and cutting like a RB. He'll be fine.

All these studies are fun but it's impossible to make legit claims off of them unless the study literally takes NFL players, tears their ACL in a controlled fashion. Puts them all through the same rehab process, diet, supplement on their way to recovery.

Then puts them into identical positions when it comes to their playing, cutting, moving, etc when comparing them to guys same age, body type, position, etc to see if the guys who were injured before are more likely to get injured.

Too many variables out of control for teams to say one way or another.

Certain scenarios regardless of prior ACL injury or not will create injuries. Human body can only go a certain way.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

I've never had a broken bone or a torn ligament even though I played sports my entire younger life. I guess I should have been drafted since I'm obviously not injury prone. Seriously, this injury prone thing is really overblown. Injuries can happen to anyone at any time. Some people heal quicker and never get hurt again and others go from one injury to another. It's just bad luck in most cases. It's one reason I hate holding out the regulars during pre season. The logic is it's not worth the risk of injury but I feel the risk is just as bad or worse if they're not in playing shape. Those early season games can be pretty sloppy and injuries are just as likely to occur then as in pre season. It doesn't help that the regular season games matter; the guy is still injured. I didn't feel better after Jimmy got hurt last year just because it was a regular season game.

Agreed

Old Jimmy G

Originally posted by genus49:

All these studies are fun but it's impossible to make legit claims off of them unless the study literally takes NFL players, tears their ACL in a controlled fashion. Puts them all through the same rehab process, diet, supplement on their way to recovery.

Then puts them into identical positions when it comes to their playing, cutting, moving, etc when comparing them to guys same age, body type, position, etc to see if the guys who were injured before are more likely to get injured.

Too many variables out of control for teams to say one way or another.

Certain scenarios regardless of prior ACL injury or not will create injuries. Human body can only go a certain way.

Yup, I just think it's a pretty blah statement with the "he's at a higher risk" or the "injury prone" label....now you could throw guys like Ward out there and have a compelling argument about being injury prone. IMO he might just not have the body to play football....It's weird because he didn't miss a single game in college (played 4yrs).

Like I stated when does the "at a higher risk" or "injury prone" label not exist? If Ward comes back and plays 5 more yrs not getting hurt is he still injury prone? If a dude tears his ACL 3 yrs ago, plays and doesn't get hurt is he still at a higher risk to re-tear it?

Gotta have context when you're talking about the ACL stuff. I don't care if you've had 5 torn ACLs or never had a scratch in your life, if a dude comes at you low and smashes his helmet into your knee something bad is probably gonna happen...Like you said people gotta factor in how they rehab, how well the surgery went, how the player takes care of themselves, how the approach the game etc...

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How long does the claim of "injury prone" or the "risk is higher" to re-injured an ACL remain relevant for some?

So if Gore tears his ACL this yr is it because he tore his ACL (2x) 10+ yrs ago? Keenan Allen tore his ACL in 2016 and hasn't missed a game in two yrs...is he still more likely to re-tear his ACL?

Tom Brady too.

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Old Jimmy G

Old Jimmy G is more attractive than me right now

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Rocket4989:


Old Jimmy G

Old Jimmy G is more attractive than me right now

He looks better than I did at 23. He should have that super model wife like Tom.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

How long does the claim of "injury prone" or the "risk is higher" to re-injured an ACL remain relevant for some?

So if Gore tears his ACL this yr is it because he tore his ACL (2x) 10+ yrs ago? Keenan Allen tore his ACL in 2016 and hasn't missed a game in two yrs...is he still more likely to re-tear his ACL?

The first 2 years after the surgery are the greatest risk

Originally posted by genus49:

All these studies are fun but it's impossible to make legit claims off of them unless the study literally takes NFL players, tears their ACL in a controlled fashion. Puts them all through the same rehab process, diet, supplement on their way to recovery.

Then puts them into identical positions when it comes to their playing, cutting, moving, etc when comparing them to guys same age, body type, position, etc to see if the guys who were injured before are more likely to get injured.

Too many variables out of control for teams to say one way or another.

Certain scenarios regardless of prior ACL injury or not will create injuries. Human body can only go a certain way.

Studies are stats . The stats show a trend on higher reinjury rate compared to native ACLs

The studies also show a trend of over 60 % of players do not reach pre injury abilities .

You can hope it's "luck " for reinjury , but the numbers say other wise.

The one thing the studies say is that they are not at a lower risk for reinjury

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:
All these studies are fun but it's impossible to make legit claims off of them unless the study literally takes NFL players, tears their ACL in a controlled fashion. Puts them all through the same rehab process, diet, supplement on their way to recovery.

Then puts them into identical positions when it comes to their playing, cutting, moving, etc when comparing them to guys same age, body type, position, etc to see if the guys who were injured before are more likely to get injured.

Too many variables out of control for teams to say one way or another.

Certain scenarios regardless of prior ACL injury or not will create injuries. Human body can only go a certain way.

Studies are stats . The stats show a trend on higher reinjury rate compared to native ACLs

The studies also show a trend of over 60 % of players do not reach pre injury abilities .

You can hope it's "luck " for reinjury , but the numbers say other wise.

The one thing the studies say is that they are not at a lower risk for reinjury

We're not talking about a controlled experiment here. It's a violent sport and guys get hurt in certain situations regardless of whether they had ACL injuries before or not.

And yes knee injuries are not ideal. Nobody wants to see if their players can get stronger after rehab...it's rare for that to happen. We've had plenty of players who don't come back to their former selves, we've had some that come back and play great and some that somehow improve though improvement post injury certainly doesn't scream anything to do with ACL.

Joe Thomas tore his ACL in college. Dude barely missed a down in the NFL, let alone a game. 10 years of not missing ANY time. 11th year ends due to a non ACL injury.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:

All these studies are fun but it's impossible to make legit claims off of them unless the study literally takes NFL players, tears their ACL in a controlled fashion. Puts them all through the same rehab process, diet, supplement on their way to recovery.

Then puts them into identical positions when it comes to their playing, cutting, moving, etc when comparing them to guys same age, body type, position, etc to see if the guys who were injured before are more likely to get injured.

Too many variables out of control for teams to say one way or another.

Certain scenarios regardless of prior ACL injury or not will create injuries. Human body can only go a certain way.

Studies are stats . The stats show a trend on higher reinjury rate compared to native ACLs

The studies also show a trend of over 60 % of players do not reach pre injury abilities .

You can hope it's "luck " for reinjury , but the numbers say other wise.

The one thing the studies say is that they are not at a lower risk for reinjury

We're not talking about a controlled experiment here. It's a violent sport and guys get hurt in certain situations regardless of whether they had ACL injuries before or not.

And yes knee injuries are not ideal. Nobody wants to see if their players can get stronger after rehab...it's rare for that to happen. We've had plenty of players who don't come back to their former selves, we've had some that come back and play great and some that somehow improve though improvement post injury certainly doesn't scream anything to do with ACL.

Joe Thomas tore his ACL in college. Dude barely missed a down in the NFL, let alone a game. 10 years of not missing ANY time. 11th year ends due to a non ACL injury.

Obviously you need an initial ACL tear to be able to reinjure your self .

There also isn't a controlled study comparing survival rate of people jumping out of a plane with and with out a parachute ..... but we can look at look at the data to know what the trend is .

There are also people who have survived gun shots to the head , doesn't mean that is a common trend . You are still more likely to die .

So to the original question , are you at a higher risk for reinjury of ACL ? A lot of literature says yes . Zero literature says other wise .

How many medical conditions are there where a hx of that condition doesn't put you at higher risk than someone who never had the medical condition ?

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:
All these studies are fun but it's impossible to make legit claims off of them unless the study literally takes NFL players, tears their ACL in a controlled fashion. Puts them all through the same rehab process, diet, supplement on their way to recovery.

Then puts them into identical positions when it comes to their playing, cutting, moving, etc when comparing them to guys same age, body type, position, etc to see if the guys who were injured before are more likely to get injured.

Too many variables out of control for teams to say one way or another.

Certain scenarios regardless of prior ACL injury or not will create injuries. Human body can only go a certain way.

Studies are stats . The stats show a trend on higher reinjury rate compared to native ACLs

The studies also show a trend of over 60 % of players do not reach pre injury abilities .

You can hope it's "luck " for reinjury , but the numbers say other wise.

The one thing the studies say is that they are not at a lower risk for reinjury

We're not talking about a controlled experiment here. It's a violent sport and guys get hurt in certain situations regardless of whether they had ACL injuries before or not.

And yes knee injuries are not ideal. Nobody wants to see if their players can get stronger after rehab...it's rare for that to happen. We've had plenty of players who don't come back to their former selves, we've had some that come back and play great and some that somehow improve though improvement post injury certainly doesn't scream anything to do with ACL.

Joe Thomas tore his ACL in college. Dude barely missed a down in the NFL, let alone a game. 10 years of not missing ANY time. 11th year ends due to a non ACL injury.

Obviously you need an initial ACL tear to be able to reinjure your self .

There also isn't a controlled study comparing survival rate of people jumping out of a plane with and with out a parachute ..... but we can look at look at the data to know what the trend is .

There are also people who have survived gun shots to the head , doesn't mean that is a common trend . You are still more likely to die .

So to the original question , are you at a higher risk for reinjury of ACL ? A lot of literature says yes . Zero literature says other wise .

How many medical conditions are there where a hx of that condition doesn't put you at higher risk than someone who never had the medical condition ?

I appreciate your extreme analogies but it still doesnt' change the fact that NFL players are a different breed than 10-25 year old mostly females which was your first post.

The second study you posted compares NFL players but with no control whatsoever outside of analyzing 3 years worth of data. Why 3 years? Is the data same the last 3 years?

What caused the injuries? Big hits? Non contact? What positions?

My main point is you cannot simply claim guys are injury prone because they have an ACL injury on their record. Not every guy is the same, injuries are different, bodies are different and positions require different ability.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by genus49:

All these studies are fun but it's impossible to make legit claims off of them unless the study literally takes NFL players, tears their ACL in a controlled fashion. Puts them all through the same rehab process, diet, supplement on their way to recovery.

Then puts them into identical positions when it comes to their playing, cutting, moving, etc when comparing them to guys same age, body type, position, etc to see if the guys who were injured before are more likely to get injured.

Too many variables out of control for teams to say one way or another.

Certain scenarios regardless of prior ACL injury or not will create injuries. Human body can only go a certain way.

Studies are stats . The stats show a trend on higher reinjury rate compared to native ACLs

The studies also show a trend of over 60 % of players do not reach pre injury abilities .

You can hope it's "luck " for reinjury , but the numbers say other wise.

The one thing the studies say is that they are not at a lower risk for reinjury

We're not talking about a controlled experiment here. It's a violent sport and guys get hurt in certain situations regardless of whether they had ACL injuries before or not.

And yes knee injuries are not ideal. Nobody wants to see if their players can get stronger after rehab...it's rare for that to happen. We've had plenty of players who don't come back to their former selves, we've had some that come back and play great and some that somehow improve though improvement post injury certainly doesn't scream anything to do with ACL.

Joe Thomas tore his ACL in college. Dude barely missed a down in the NFL, let alone a game. 10 years of not missing ANY time. 11th year ends due to a non ACL injury.

Obviously you need an initial ACL tear to be able to reinjure your self .

There also isn't a controlled study comparing survival rate of people jumping out of a plane with and with out a parachute ..... but we can look at look at the data to know what the trend is .

There are also people who have survived gun shots to the head , doesn't mean that is a common trend . You are still more likely to die .

So to the original question , are you at a higher risk for reinjury of ACL ? A lot of literature says yes . Zero literature says other wise .

How many medical conditions are there where a hx of that condition doesn't put you at higher risk than someone who never had the medical condition ?

I appreciate your extreme analogies but it still doesnt' change the fact that NFL players are a different breed than 10-25 year old mostly females which was your first post.

The second study you posted compares NFL players but with no control whatsoever outside of analyzing 3 years worth of data. Why 3 years? Is the data same the last 3 years?

What caused the injuries? Big hits? Non contact? What positions?

My main point is you cannot simply claim guys are injury prone because they have an ACL injury on their record. Not every guy is the same, injuries are different, bodies are different and positions require different ability.

One study says six times higher , another says a different ratio .

They all say higher chance . Pretty simple

Just curious , what medical condition do you know of that a hx of the condition makes you less likely to get it in the future ?

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How long does the claim of "injury prone" or the "risk is higher" to re-injured an ACL remain relevant for some?

So if Gore tears his ACL this yr is it because he tore his ACL (2x) 10+ yrs ago? Keenan Allen tore his ACL in 2016 and hasn't missed a game in two yrs...is he still more likely to re-tear his ACL?

The first 2 years after the surgery are the greatest risk

there we go, we got a timeline then lol