Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Jimmy G is a lock to win comeback player of the year

Pro bowl for sure, probably 2nd team all pro. Although I am not sure if he will win the MVP award.

Excited to watch Jimmy G play this season! Go 49ers

Originally posted by 49ers81:

It amazes me that the idea that the organization has done nothing to "fix" the offensive line continues to get traction in this forum. Apart from Staley and maybe Garnett, there isn't a single player in that position group who was with the team when Shanahan and Lynch took over. They have completely remade the line from what it was three years ago.

Now I suppose one can argue that all of the moves haven't paid the dividends that people had hoped, talking about you Weston Richburg, and I imagine there are still a lot of butt hurt Trent Brown fans out there, but I simply don't see how one can realistically argue that "nothing has been done" to address this problem especially since they used their number one pick on the position last year and have continued to acquire more lineman this past off season. I'm no great fan of Tomlinson but I think he is an upgrade over the guys we had there before and I still think Garnett might get a chance. When he had an opportunity to play last year in place of Person he did a pretty good job and brings a bit of nastiness to the position that might be lacking.

I know a lot of people use the number of times that the QB's were hit last year as a metric for how well the line is doing, or not doing as the case maybe, but I think that some of that is on the QB's and some of that is on the receivers. I can remember a couple of games last year with Jimmy G. where he was holding the ball and looking, and looking, and looking for one of his receivers to break free before finally having to eat it or get out of the pocket. Hopefully the additions they have made to the receivers and Taylor's return to health will alleviate some of those problems and the line won't be tasked with have to hold up in protection or so long.

They are butthurt because Kyle thinks OGs are expendable. We got a 1st round bust from the Lions, and some journeyman starter on the other side. Also we are praying and hoping that the Iowa kid UDFA Ross Reynolds will give us depth if he makes it. Also, Josh Garnett who is arguably another bust

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

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Stats are almost identical after their first 8 games with the niners. I don't think anything can really be read from that, but it is mildly interesting.

Massive difference in the "quality" of their passes though. Mullen doesn't attempt difficult passes, JG does (and is affective)....Mullen is awful when it comes to making plays under pressure vs what JG does.

The thing I notice is if you can understand and run Kyle's offense (Mullens knows it inside and out) you will have success regardless of talent...IF you can get a QB that can run his offense well AND they have talent to back it up, you will have an elite offense (Matt Ryan yr 2 MVP under kyle).

It really sucks, this past season was suppose to be JG's first full yr under kyle learning and getting reps and that was taken away...there will be growing pains at the beginning of the yr imo, hopefully the D can help a little until our offense can get rolling...Once that happens, I think they can be a top 6-7 offense.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
They are butthurt because Kyle thinks OGs are expendable. We got a 1st round bust from the Lions, and some journeyman starter on the other side. Also we are praying and hoping that the Iowa kid UDFA Ross Reynolds will give us depth if he makes it. Also, Josh Garnett who is arguably another bust

You guys missed the staff meeting conducted by the loyalists. the continuity and line of bros who go to hockey games together will save the day!

Disrespect. Kyler Murray before Jimmy G?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

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— Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) July 21, 2019

Stats are almost identical after their first 8 games with the niners. I don't think anything can really be read from that, but it is mildly interesting.

Massive difference in the "quality" of their passes though. Mullen doesn't attempt difficult passes, JG does (and is affective)....Mullen is awful when it comes to making plays under pressure vs what JG does.

The thing I notice is if you can understand and run Kyle's offense (Mullens knows it inside and out) you will have success regardless of talent...IF you can get a QB that can run his offense well AND they have talent to back it up, you will have an elite offense (Matt Ryan yr 2 MVP under kyle).

It really sucks, this past season was suppose to be JG's first full yr under kyle learning and getting reps and that was taken away...there will be growing pains at the beginning of the yr imo, hopefully the D can help a little until our offense can get rolling...Once that happens, I think they can be a top 6-7 offense.

I think Mullens can improve on the quality of difficult passes. Yes Nick doesnt have a howitzer for an arm like Jimmy does, but I think with more experience and more overall talent at the pass reciever spot (Hurd and Deebo), I think he'll do as well as Jimmy on passes under pressure. I think more experience under pressure will make Mullens more effective under pressure from an experience point of view. For example -- instead of taking a sack, if he's experienced enough to see the blitz comming, he can audible to a toss play and he might actually gain a yard or two on the play, instead of a sack, and thereby his stats improve.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Yeah, the Deebo pick was the easiest pick to predict in the Shanny era thus far. And I agree with NY about Kyle undervaluing OG. It certainly feels that way.

Unfortunately, i agree with you. Kyle doesn't care about OGs, and for some reason doesn't mind seeing his QBs get beaten up. As good as he is at OCing, it has been strange to watch him watch his QBs get pounded, and somehow, not worry about it. If he has a shortcoming, that's it. Hard for me to understand not having more concern for his QBs than he does.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by 49ers81:
It amazes me that the idea that the organization has done nothing to "fix" the offensive line continues to get traction in this forum. Apart from Staley and maybe Garnett, there isn't a single player in that position group who was with the team when Shanahan and Lynch took over. They have completely remade the line from what it was three years ago.

Now I suppose one can argue that all of the moves haven't paid the dividends that people had hoped, talking about you Weston Richburg, and I imagine there are still a lot of butt hurt Trent Brown fans out there, but I simply don't see how one can realistically argue that "nothing has been done" to address this problem especially since they used their number one pick on the position last year and have continued to acquire more lineman this past off season. I'm no great fan of Tomlinson but I think he is an upgrade over the guys we had there before and I still think Garnett might get a chance. When he had an opportunity to play last year in place of Person he did a pretty good job and brings a bit of nastiness to the position that might be lacking.

I know a lot of people use the number of times that the QB's were hit last year as a metric for how well the line is doing, or not doing as the case maybe, but I think that some of that is on the QB's and some of that is on the receivers. I can remember a couple of games last year with Jimmy G. where he was holding the ball and looking, and looking, and looking for one of his receivers to break free before finally having to eat it or get out of the pocket. Hopefully the additions they have made to the receivers and Taylor's return to health will alleviate some of those problems and the line won't be tasked with have to hold up in protection or so long.

They are butthurt because Kyle thinks OGs are expendable. We got a 1st round bust from the Lions, and some journeyman starter on the other side. Also we are praying and hoping that the Iowa kid UDFA Ross Reynolds will give us depth if he makes it. Also, Josh Garnett who is arguably another bust

As I said, one can argue that the moves they've made haven't returned the dividends they had hoped, but you can't argue that they haven't made moves to address the issues along the line. Person was solid, if unspectacular, last year. Tomlinson was brought in by Mayhew, who drafted him in Detroit, and who is according to many in this forum, along with Peters, the secret brains behind all of the 49ers drafts, since they all know from their many inside sources that all John Lynch does in the lead up to the draft is go and get coffee for Mayhew, Peters, and Shanahan.

Again, I am not a huge fan of Tomlinson, Person is okay but they could stand an upgrade there as well. I think Garnett will be given one more year to prove he belongs. I thought he did pretty well in the short stint he had last year. His biggest problem has been an inability to stay on the field. Maybe Shanahan does undervalue guards, which is why they haven't gone after the big contract guys like Norvell who have been available the last couple of years. But as the contracts they have given to Juice, McKinnon, Richburg, and Alexander prove, they are willing to spend money on guys they think will contribute. Hopefully Richburg will come back from all of the injuries he had last year, become the player they thought they had signed, and help solidify the interior of the line in terms of the pass protection. As I recall they did pretty well as a run blocking unit.

I am all for drafting a quality guard in the early rounds next year but I also believe that they spend several months out of the year working with and evaluating the guys they have on their roster as well as looking at potential free agents and draft eligible college guys to try and determine where and how they can improve the competition and get better and so probably have a better perspective on it than those of us sitting at home.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

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— Bill Barnwell (@billbarnwell) July 21, 2019

Stats are almost identical after their first 8 games with the niners. I don't think anything can really be read from that, but it is mildly interesting.

Massive difference in the "quality" of their passes though. Mullen doesn't attempt difficult passes, JG does (and is affective)....Mullen is awful when it comes to making plays under pressure vs what JG does.

The thing I notice is if you can understand and run Kyle's offense (Mullens knows it inside and out) you will have success regardless of talent...IF you can get a QB that can run his offense well AND they have talent to back it up, you will have an elite offense (Matt Ryan yr 2 MVP under kyle).

It really sucks, this past season was suppose to be JG's first full yr under kyle learning and getting reps and that was taken away...there will be growing pains at the beginning of the yr imo, hopefully the D can help a little until our offense can get rolling...Once that happens, I think they can be a top 6-7 offense.

I think Mullens can improve on the quality of difficult passes. Yes Nick doesnt have a howitzer for an arm like Jimmy does, but I think with more experience and more overall talent at the pass reciever spot (Hurd and Deebo), I think he'll do as well as Jimmy on passes under pressure. I think more experience under pressure will make Mullens more effective under pressure from an experience point of view. For example -- instead of taking a sack, if he's experienced enough to see the blitz comming, he can audible to a toss play and he might actually gain a yard or two on the play, instead of a sack, and thereby his stats improve.

I think the statistical comparison is interesting if inconclusive. Stats don't always tell the whole story. To me the thing that is intriguing about Mullens is that the game doesn't seem too big for him. He went out and performed under pressure and acquitted himself pretty well. Beathard always seems like he is a step behind the play somehow. I read somewhere that Mullens was working on getting the ball out of his hands faster this year and making quicker decisions, which is where Jimmy G. has the edge. If Mullens can keep on the path he started last year I think you have to feel pretty good about our QB situation

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Massive difference in the "quality" of their passes though. Mullen doesn't attempt difficult passes, JG does (and is affective)....Mullen is awful when it comes to making plays under pressure vs what JG does.

The thing I notice is if you can understand and run Kyle's offense (Mullens knows it inside and out) you will have success regardless of talent...IF you can get a QB that can run his offense well AND they have talent to back it up, you will have an elite offense (Matt Ryan yr 2 MVP under kyle).

It really sucks, this past season was suppose to be JG's first full yr under kyle learning and getting reps and that was taken away...there will be growing pains at the beginning of the yr imo, hopefully the D can help a little until our offense can get rolling...Once that happens, I think they can be a top 6-7 offense.

All solid points.

Eye test tells you so much.

Stats alone would indicate Wilson is the best QB in the NFL or top 3 (usually top 3 in TD passes, usually top 5 in passer rating) but watching him depicts a different story.

Steve Young with similar stats looked a hell of a lot different. Or most any other QB.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Yeah, the Deebo pick was the easiest pick to predict in the Shanny era thus far. And I agree with NY about Kyle undervaluing OG. It certainly feels that way.

Unfortunately, i agree with you. Kyle doesn't care about OGs, and for some reason doesn't mind seeing his QBs get beaten up. As good as he is at OCing, it has been strange to watch him watch his QBs get pounded, and somehow, not worry about it. If he has a shortcoming, that's it. Hard for me to understand not having more concern for his QBs than he does.

The WCO since it's inception has always valued mobile guards that can hit a moving target on the run. That fact over the decades has usually resulted in smaller and less powerful men. I think the scheme helps the run game, which reduces the number of passing drop backs, and makes the rush more tentative. It scheme also likes mobile quarterbacks, and quick short passes, further frustrating the pass rush. Also, interior linemen teamwork is often more critical than the one on one matchups OT's often must face.

I think you are correct that Kyle does think a quarterback is going to take some hits if he is to play winning football, and he therefor does value a tough quarterback that can do that, get up, and not have it effect his play.

In short, the "good" guards you are looking for are found in Harbaugh type teams that predominately like to run "power". It ain't gonna happen, and you're gonna be disappointed.

Kyle's quarterbacks are going to take hits. Kyle's receivers are going to take hits. Kyle's running backs are going to take hits. It's football.

JG should not have torn his ACL on that sideline scramble hit from my perspective. Fluky things do happen. If it was a fluke, Jimmy's going to have a great career. If he really is delicate, or can't learn how to protect himself taking a hit, we'll be going forward with Cousins, or some other quarterback.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
JG should not have torn his ACL on that sideline scramble hit from my perspective. Fluky things do happen. If it was a fluke, Jimmy's going to have a great career. If he really is delicate, or can't learn how to protect himself taking a hit, we'll be going forward with Cousins, or some other quarterback.

It absolutely kills me that Russell Wilson's entire game is predicated on mobility and taking risks and yet it's been impossible for him to get injured, even that hit he took from Eli Harold that "injured" him but didn't produce an ACL tear, meanwhile Jimmy and many other QBs tore them on lesser hits.

Luckiest SOB alive.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

JG should not have torn his ACL on that sideline scramble hit from my perspective. Fluky things do happen. If it was a fluke, Jimmy's going to have a great career. If he really is delicate, or can't learn how to protect himself taking a hit, we'll be going forward with Cousins, or some other quarterback.

It absolutely kills me that Russell Wilson's entire game is predicated on mobility and taking risks and yet it's been impossible for him to get injured, even that hit he took from Eli Harold that "injured" him but didn't produce an ACL tear, meanwhile Jimmy and many other QBs tore them on lesser hits.

Luckiest SOB alive.

Yeah. Maybe there is less leverage on those joints when the bone is only six inches long. I don't know.

But those are the games I wonder if his coach cares about him at all. But, winning is everything, players are replaceable, and he is really really good at protecting himself.

MAN, we push training camp back another month and this joint is going chaos !!!

GO NINERSSSS !!!!