Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by boast:
Jimmy Garoppolo completed 56% of his deep passes, best among passers with 25+ such attempts.

I know about that stat but his deep passes are usually to wide open receivers like against the Rams when Ramsey blew the coverage or Sanders on the pass he caught and fell down and then ran it in. He throws a very small proportion of his passes beyond 20 yards compared to other QB's. If you look at the number of pass plays over 20 or 25 yards the number looks high but that's because 49er receivers have some of the highest YAC in the league. It's no big deal that he can't throw it 40 OR 50 yards in the air and put it right on the button. He's doing everything else right and we're winning. If he ever develops that deep touch then he'll be just that much more dangerous. Right now, the offense rely's more on getting the ball out quick and letting the receivers run. It's working pretty good don't you think.

He hasn't played enough to be considered elite. But there's no doubt he'll get the title in the next 2 years...

Originally posted by DrEll:
He hasn't played enough to be considered elite. But there's no doubt he'll get the title in the next 2 years...

Good point. I agree that you have to play 4-5 years at least at a high level to be elite. One or 2 years is too small a sample. If you just looked at one year you could have Baker Mayfield as elite based on his 1st season. Look what happened this year. I don't expect Jimmy to regress like that. Instead I expect improvement as long as Kyle is there and they keep improving the line and receiving corps.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Ok. What does "elite" mean in this case? Who are the "elite" QB's in the league? Honestly I don't give a fat rats a$$ about Jimmy Gangsta being "elite". All I know is that when he gets the pill TD's follow. If that ain't "elite", too friggin' bad. The dude wins games and THAT IS WHAT MATTERS!!!

Agreed.

Elite right now would have to include Mahomes, Lamar, Brees, and Wilson. Take a number of their throwing targets away, replace them with others, and they can still get it done.

Of course guys like Aaron Rodgers and Brady have been elite for years and can turn the light back on in a flash.

Players hovering around the cusp is where Jimmy comes in,...guys like him, Deshaun Watson, et. al.

LOL at your list.. first you say you need to see more from jimmy g then you put Pat M & Lamar in there as elite when they have been doing it for how long?
Yea whatever!

At least be consistent dude.

(Mind you, you have jimmy g coming back from major knee injury and lighting it up)
I'm not saying jimmy is elite but the dude gets s**t done in high pressure situations and that's all you can ask for.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by boast:

Jimmy Garoppolo completed 56% of his deep passes, best among passers with 25+ such attempts.

I know about that stat but his deep passes are usually to wide open receivers like against the Rams when Ramsey blew the coverage or Sanders on the pass he caught and fell down and then ran it in. He throws a very small proportion of his passes beyond 20 yards compared to other QB's. If you look at the number of pass plays over 20 or 25 yards the number looks high but that's because 49er receivers have some of the highest YAC in the league. It's no big deal that he can't throw it 40 OR 50 yards in the air and put it right on the button. He's doing everything else right and we're winning. If he ever develops that deep touch then he'll be just that much more dangerous. Right now, the offense rely's more on getting the ball out quick and letting the receivers run. It's working pretty good don't you think.

According to PFF he is 18 of 30 on passes travelling greater than 20 yards downfield in the air. What jumps out is the small number of attempts. I would be curious to see the stat broken out over the last half of the season when we had our tackles back and our receiving core settled. No doubt he can get better here as he is gifted with some wide opens due to scheme which raise the average but I would argue that we are hunting for small improvements here as opposed to a total transformation.

Originally posted by DrEll:

He hasn't played enough to be considered elite. But there's no doubt he'll get the title in the next 2 years...

Yeah let's give him time to show the results on n paper for the non watchers to agree.

Anyone that watches the games carefully will see that his ball placement and accuracy has improved dramatically since week 1. This last game almost every ball was exactly where he wanted. Pay attention this bye week and see how other QBs like Wentz throw the ball, not enough will be hitting receivers between the numbers.

Top 10 QB

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I won't get hung up over whether Jimmy is elite of not. As long as we win it doesn't make any difference. It's true that he isn't an elite deep pass thrower but he's gotten much more accurate on his short and intermediate throws as the season has progressed. His release is extremely quick. If he throws to Deebo or Kittle for 15 yards and they run for another 20 I'm fine with that. The result is the same. I think the deep (35-40+ yards in the air) passes will come next year.

Jimmy Garoppolo completed 56% of his deep passes, best among passers with 25+ such attempts.

His deep passes are fine. People forget he can only throw them when the right play is called for a deep throw. If Shanny isn't calling them Garopollo wont be throwing them. Pointless throwing a deep ball when there isn't a receiver open deep down field.

Originally posted by StubbornRussian:
Wouldn't it be great if the zone had a feature where fans who were calling for Mullens over JG lost their posting rights in QB discussions for a portion of the following year. It would be like a penalty box for them to sit in and reflect on how bad their analysis was. I would like this instituted for media as well. Guys like Steven A and Bayless would eventually be unable to participate in any football related discussion. Accountability. I can dream.

Short of like putting them on the concussion protocol like they have been dropped on their heads or something?

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I won't get hung up over whether Jimmy is elite of not. As long as we win it doesn't make any difference. It's true that he isn't an elite deep pass thrower but he's gotten much more accurate on his short and intermediate throws as the season has progressed. His release is extremely quick. If he throws to Deebo or Kittle for 15 yards and they run for another 20 I'm fine with that. The result is the same. I think the deep (35-40+ yards in the air) passes will come next year.

Jimmy Garoppolo completed 56% of his deep passes, best among passers with 25+ such attempts.

His deep passes are fine. People forget he can only throw them when the right play is called for a deep throw. If Shanny isn't calling them Garopollo wont be throwing them. Pointless throwing a deep ball when there isn't a receiver open deep down field.

ONCE in a while, he's gotta take his chances... by he not doing that just shows that he doesn't trust any of his WRs to make the play... plus, dumb zebras always love to call stupid PI when DBs look LOST !!

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Ok. What does "elite" mean in this case? Who are the "elite" QB's in the league? Honestly I don't give a fat rats a$$ about Jimmy Gangsta being "elite". All I know is that when he gets the pill TD's follow. If that ain't "elite", too friggin' bad. The dude wins games and THAT IS WHAT MATTERS!!!

Agreed.

Elite right now would have to include Mahomes, Lamar, Brees, and Wilson. Take a number of their throwing targets away, replace them with others, and they can still get it done.

Of course guys like Aaron Rodgers and Brady have been elite for years and can turn the light back on in a flash.

Players hovering around the cusp is where Jimmy comes in,...guys like him, Deshaun Watson, et. al.

LOL at your list.. first you say you need to see more from jimmy g then you put Pat M & Lamar in there as elite when they have been doing it for how long?
Yea whatever!

At least be consistent dude.

(Mind you, you have jimmy g coming back from major knee injury and lighting it up)
I'm not saying jimmy is elite but the dude gets s**t done in high pressure situations and that's all you can ask for.

Yes that list is hilarious. The fact the media is considering Lamar an elite QB is laughable. I'll grant it he's an elite ATHLETE, but that's it right now. Jimmy is an amazing QB, but Golic and Wingo's opinions not considering Jimmy G in the upper echelon of quarterbacks after the way he's been playing and who he's been beating doesn't mean squat as those two have been hating on the Jimmy hate train for a while.

Jimmy is a top 10 QB and will prove it in the postseason. The others on the list Brees is obviously a top 5 guy, but Tom is fading from his former glory. Mahomes is very good an is treated as elite by the media, but he should get the sample size treatment Jimmy gets as he's only been a starter 2 years. Mahomes also is a guy who gives f**k all about footwork, he's a show off in the middle of games with no look & jump passes, and he throws across the field off his back foot from time to time. He gets praised for these things because they look flashy and he gets away with it.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:
Yes that list is hilarious. The fact the media is considering Lamar an elite QB is laughable. I'll grant it he's an elite ATHLETE, but that's it right now. Jimmy is an amazing QB, but Golic and Wingo's opinions not considering Jimmy G in the upper echelon of quarterbacks after the way he's been playing and who he's been beating doesn't mean squat as those two have been hating on the Jimmy hate train for a while.

Jimmy is a top 10 QB and will prove it in the postseason. The others on the list Brees is obviously a top 5 guy, but Tom is fading from his former glory. Mahomes is very good an is treated as elite by the media, but he should get the sample size treatment Jimmy gets as he's only been a starter 2 years. Mahomes also is a guy who gives f**k all about footwork, he's a show off in the middle of games with no look & jump passes, and he throws across the field off his back foot from time to time. He gets praised for these things because they look flashy and he gets away with it.

Lamar Jackson's stats:

Passing: 66.1% comp, 3127 yds, 7.8 y/a, 36 tds/6 ints

Rushing: 176 rushes for 1206 yds, 7 tds

Imo Lamar should be considered in the elite discussion for QBs.

he's no mcnabb

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NinerTy:

Ok. What does "elite" mean in this case? Who are the "elite" QB's in the league? Honestly I don't give a fat rats a$$ about Jimmy Gangsta being "elite". All I know is that when he gets the pill TD's follow. If that ain't "elite", too friggin' bad. The dude wins games and THAT IS WHAT MATTERS!!!

Agreed.

Elite right now would have to include Mahomes, Lamar, Brees, and Wilson. Take a number of their throwing targets away, replace them with others, and they can still get it done.

Of course guys like Aaron Rodgers and Brady have been elite for years and can turn the light back on in a flash.

Players hovering around the cusp is where Jimmy comes in,...guys like him, Deshaun Watson, et. al.

LOL at your list.. first you say you need to see more from jimmy g then you put Pat M & Lamar in there as elite when they have been doing it for how long?
Yea whatever!

At least be consistent dude.

(Mind you, you have jimmy g coming back from major knee injury and lighting it up)
I'm not saying jimmy is elite but the dude gets s**t done in high pressure situations and that's all you can ask for.

Yes that list is hilarious. The fact the media is considering Lamar an elite QB is laughable. I'll grant it he's an elite ATHLETE, but that's it right now. Jimmy is an amazing QB, but Golic and Wingo's opinions not considering Jimmy G in the upper echelon of quarterbacks after the way he's been playing and who he's been beating doesn't mean squat as those two have been hating on the Jimmy hate train for a while.

Jimmy is a top 10 QB and will prove it in the postseason. The others on the list Brees is obviously a top 5 guy, but Tom is fading from his former glory. Mahomes is very good an is treated as elite by the media, but he should get the sample size treatment Jimmy gets as he's only been a starter 2 years. Mahomes also is a guy who gives f**k all about footwork, he's a show off in the middle of games with no look & jump passes, and he throws across the field off his back foot from time to time. He gets praised for these things because they look flashy and he gets away with it.

This! Dude ran for 1200 and still only accounted for 4300 total yards. Guy is a talented runner but I'd bet Jimmy gets 500 more yards than him next year. He hasn't proven he's a great passer at all.

Unfortunately the media (ESPN) is going to show Lamar's runs, Mahommes crazy passes and Wilson scrambling and making a throw deep downfield. They're called highlights. They don't show every play, only the crazy, exciting ones so that's what most people, including writers see. Those aren't the plays Jimmy makes because Kyle has a diverse offense that almost always has somebody open. He doesn't call a lot of deep passes because they aren't high percentage passes. The media is only going to write about what they see all the time and unfortunately it's not Jimmy. More often than not, if Jimmy is involved in a big play it's to Kittle or Deebo and those guys get the ink.