Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by Goatie:

Oh come on get serious. We are not all fools. The guy has started only 26 games yet got this team to the Super Bowl. You will have no one believe anything you post if you keep misrepresenting reality.

I wouldn't even consider it 26 starts. He got spot duty in NE and spot duty in SF.

Technically, he's only had 3 games in Kyle's real WCO last year...and 19 this year.

I can't wait for the full install and all his weapons back and see how this offense evolves.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:
We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots.

Sus, you forgot to log out of one of your fake accounts. #BuZz

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by susweel:
We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:
We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots.

Sus, you forgot to log out of one of your fake accounts. #BuZz

We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots

Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots

thats enough internet for you today

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots

thats enough internet for you today

lol

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
Point is you can be a great, even HOF QB, and not win a Super Bowl ( you know better)

Also, the narrative that Cam was just a running qb almost doesn't deserve a response. Dude had a cannon and made Ted Ginn look like Randy Moss a year or so after we let him go.

I love how black qbs never get the benefit of the doubt on the Webzone, yet I'm pretty certain you believe Jimmy will turn into a great QB even though he's already been in the league 7 years.

Cam not being a great QB has nothing to do with him being black and shame on you for even going there.

It has everything to do with him being a diva who couldn't even jump on his own fumble in the SB. The guy lost his team right there.

Mahomes - black QB
Watson - black QB
Wilson - black QB

All great QBs who actually show the qualities you want as a QB and leaders. Even Prescott IMO has a better chance than Cam despite less talent.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Goatie:
Oh come on get serious. We are not all fools. The guy has started only 26 games yet got this team to the Super Bowl. You will have no one believe anything you post if you keep misrepresenting reality.

I just feel the 26 game argument is disingenuous. He was taking snaps behind Tom Brady and learning from Bill Billacheat/McDaniels for 4 years. Yes, playing in live games help, but you guys act like he's some noob off the street learning to read NFL defenses for the first time.

Even with 26 starts he still turns the ball over with regularity and that's without being asked to do much. It's not a scheme issue, he just flat out makes bad decisions ( like not fully throwing the ball out of bounds in the SB, which cost us an int).

Do I think he'll get better if he's allowed to stay in Kyles system a couple more years, sure. But, what qb wouldn't, particularly in the hands of an offense guru that makes it easy for him.

I think there is a good number of QBs out there that could do what he's doing out with far less turnovers.

Like I said, he gets all the benefit of the doubt. You'll never here "the NFL has figured him out..burp..derp."

He had 94 attempts at QB with the Pats. Just for comparison Jared Goff had 105 pass attempts in his first 3 starts this season combined.

One thing you don't get a lot of playing behind Tom Brady is snaps. Even in preseason Brady plays a good amount more than any other QB of his level.

Blowout wins? Brady rarely gets pulled and if he does there is almost 0 throwing the ball.

Kyle's system is very different from what the Pats run and no matter how many times you act otherwise...game experience vs camp and even preaseason is a totally different situation.

Not that Brady gives away a lot of snaps in practice even but throwing the ball knowing you're not going to get blasted while doing it is a little different than having to account for that in a live game.

Even more so when the other team can do it without fear of getting calls against them but that's another story.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
I just feel the 26 game argument is disingenuous. He was taking snaps behind Tom Brady and learning from Bill Billacheat/McDaniels for 4 years. Yes, playing in live games help, but you guys act like he's some noob off the street learning to read NFL defenses for the first time.

Even with 26 starts he still turns the ball over with regularity and that's without being asked to do much. It's not a scheme issue, he just flat out makes bad decisions ( like not fully throwing the ball out of bounds in the SB, which cost us an int).

Do I think he'll get better if he's allowed to stay in Kyles system a couple more years, sure. But, what qb wouldn't, particularly in the hands of an offense guru that makes it easy for him.

I think there is a good number of QBs out there that could do what he's doing out with far less turnovers.

Like I said, he gets all the benefit of the doubt. You'll never here "the NFL has figured him out..burp..derp."

It's disingenuous in that there's a big difference between being 24 with 26 career starts and 29 with 26 career starts and people try to compare the 2 like It's apples and oranges. It's why they rarely being up Rodgers stats who had a similar path to Jimmy and just look at Brady or Big Ben and guys who were thrown straight into the fire. To think sitting behind Brady, Bill, and McDaniels for 4 years means nothing is laughable.

Doesn't mean he won't improve from what was already a good season though. Even seasoned vets can make jumps with more tome in the system/ better talent.

Rodgers didn't have to change teams and offenses when he finally got to start so there is still a clear difference in that comparison. Rodgers also didn't have his first full start after tearing his ACL.

If you want to compare first full seasons starting? Let's do it.

Rodgers
63.6% 4038 28 TD/13 INT 7.5 Y/A 93.8 QB Rating

Garoppolo
69.1% 3978 27 TD/13 INT 8.3 Y/A 102 QB Rating

Originally posted by genus49:

Rodgers didn't have to change teams and offenses when he finally got to start so there is still a clear difference in that comparison. Rodgers also didn't have his first full start after tearing his ACL.

If you want to compare first full seasons starting? Let's do it.

Rodgers
63.6% 4038 28 TD/13 INT 7.5 Y/A 93.8 QB Rating

Garoppolo
69.1% 3978 27 TD/13 INT 8.3 Y/A 102 QB Rating

He was here in this offense for 1.5 seasons before playing this year. Add in another 4 behind Brady and there's absolutely no reason you can't compare the 2. Quit babying him. At 25 Rodgers was much younger too and you're trying to compare a true 1st year starter to a guy with 9 previous starts under his belt. This isn't Jimmy's 1st year as a starter. You can't pretend that games didn't happen. That's why this is so disengenius. Year 2 Rodgers would be the more accurate comparison. And while Jimmy isn't a chump his 2.7 int ratio is a rate Rodgers only hit that 1st year.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by TexasGuero49:

We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots

thats enough internet for you today

lol

LOL. Sus alias BuzZ alias SkyZer0 alias TexasGuero49 alias...kid's working O.T. today.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Rodgers didn't have to change teams and offenses when he finally got to start so there is still a clear difference in that comparison. Rodgers also didn't have his first full start after tearing his ACL.

If you want to compare first full seasons starting? Let's do it.

Rodgers
63.6% 4038 28 TD/13 INT 7.5 Y/A 93.8 QB Rating

Garoppolo
69.1% 3978 27 TD/13 INT 8.3 Y/A 102 QB Rating

He was here in this offense for 1.5 seasons before playing this year. Add in another 4 behind Brady and there's absolutely no reason you can't compare the 2. Quit babying him. At 25 Rodgers was much younger too and you're trying to compare a true 1st year starter to a guy with 9 previous starts under his belt. This isn't Jimmy's 1st year as a starter. You can't pretend that games didn't happen. That's why this is so disengenius. Year 2 Rodgers would be the more accurate comparison. And while Jimmy isn't a chump his 2.7 int ratio is a rate Rodgers only hit that 1st year.

He was in a revised version of this offense in 2017 or do you think he had the whole playbook down in a few weeks?

He had 3 games in 2018 before he got hurt. Where are you pulling 1.5 seasons from?

And nobody is babying him but your comparison is BS. For your comparison to be fair we'd have to see Garoppolo play with the Pats.

In 2 starts in 2016 before he got hurt he was averaging about 250 yards per game, 2 TD 0 INT per game and had a QB rating of 113.3 and had a Y/A of 8.0. And in those 2 starts he was playing without Gronk and got hurt before the 2nd half even started vs the Dolphins in a game he already had 3 TDs and 232 yards.

Those numbers over a full season come out to

68% 3968 yards 32 TDs 0 INT, etc...

Obviously silly to take 1.5 games worth of play and produce a full 16 season's worth of stats but that's the comparison to Rodgers taking over on the same roster, scheme and coaching staff which drafted him and coached him up versus what you're trying to say.

Yes sitting behind great players and coaches obviously helps. But pretending that practice reps, mop up duty is somehow comparable to actual game experience is insanity.

Kyle's system is well reported to be something QBs have a tough time grasping until 2 full years in. Jimmy was also dealing with a pretty serious injury so his normal offseason was disrupted with rehab versus prep.

Originally posted by TexasGuero49:
We should make a run at Tom Brady for next season and trade jimmy back to the Patriots

Deja Vu?

Originally posted by genus49:

He was in a revised version of this offense in 2017 or do you think he had the whole playbook down in a few weeks?

He had 3 games in 2018 before he got hurt. Where are you pulling 1.5 seasons from?

And nobody is babying him but your comparison is BS. For your comparison to be fair we'd have to see Garoppolo play with the Pats.

In 2 starts in 2016 before he got hurt he was averaging about 250 yards per game, 2 TD 0 INT per game and had a QB rating of 113.3 and had a Y/A of 8.0. And in those 2 starts he was playing without Gronk and got hurt before the 2nd half even started vs the Dolphins in a game he already had 3 TDs and 232 yards.

Those numbers over a full season come out to

68% 3968 yards 32 TDs 0 INT, etc...

Obviously silly to take 1.5 games worth of play and produce a full 16 season's worth of stats but that's the comparison to Rodgers taking over on the same roster, scheme and coaching staff which drafted him and coached him up versus what you're trying to say.

Yes sitting behind great players and coaches obviously helps. But pretending that practice reps, mop up duty is somehow comparable to actual game experience is insanity.

Kyle's system is well reported to be something QBs have a tough time grasping until 2 full years in. Jimmy was also dealing with a pretty serious injury so his normal offseason was disrupted with rehab versus prep.

Because He's still on the squad, playing in the system for those 5 weeks in 17, then doing an entire offseason of preparation and playing 3 more weeks in 18. Then after the injury it's not like he's at home. He's still watching and learning. He's not a rookie by any stretch of the imagination and with 9 starts under his belt you can't pretend he's a 1st year starter too. It's a bs argument. Sh happens that's part of the game. But just because you play 4 games 1 year, then 6 the next, you don't get to say well golly geez He's still a 1st year starter until he hits 16 games. 1st year starter pretty much implies you're starting at 0 like Rodgers did. Not year 3 of starting experience.

Originally posted by genus49:

If you want to compare first full seasons starting? Let's do it.

Rodgers
63.6% 4038 28 TD/13 INT 7.5 Y/A 93.8 QB Rating

Garoppolo
69.1% 3978 27 TD/13 INT 8.3 Y/A 102 QB Rating

I'm not knocking Jimmy and I like Jimmy, but you can't just make a 1-to-1 comparison between 2008 and 2019 because of evolutions in the passing game.

LEAGUE AVERAGE (16th best) STARTING QBS in 2008 and 2019:

COMP %:
2008: 61.3
2019: 64.3

TDs:
2008: 16
2019: 22

INTs:
2008: 11
2019: 9

YARDS:
2008: 3245
2019: 3603

QB Rating:
2008: 86.0
2019: 91.2