Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by susweel:
See even Kyle long knows jimmy not a real one. Get tom Brady

FYI Kyle Long also thought Solomon Thomas was the best player in the 2017 draft.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Goatie:
I don't think that is true. Jimmy missed one pass. The Oline let the KC rush get threw to Jimmy or bat him down. When he threw the intercept the game was already gone. The throw wasn't that bad it was headed straight to Bourne. KC secondaries just made an awesome play to get the pick.

He actually missed just about every pass to end the game. He's the sole reason why we lost.

Yeah...10 point lead with 7 minutes left and the Chiefs offense in 3rd and 15 and the QB who is getting hit on virtually all of his drops or the same DLman is batting down the passes that do get out cleanly is the SOLE reason we lost that game.

Originally posted by genus49:

Yeah...10 point lead with 7 minutes left and the Chiefs offense in 3rd and 15 and the QB who is getting hit on virtually all of his drops or the same DLman is batting down the passes that do get out cleanly is the SOLE reason we lost that game.

KC has been held under 20 with Mahomes just 1 time in 2 years. If you can't score against them don't blame the d because they're going to get theirs.

And the 1 time they were held under 20 Indy controlled the clock 37 minutes to 23. We lost the top battle and didn't run at all in the 4th. Jimmy has to make those passes since that's what we dialed up.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yeah...10 point lead with 7 minutes left and the Chiefs offense in 3rd and 15 and the QB who is getting hit on virtually all of his drops or the same DLman is batting down the passes that do get out cleanly is the SOLE reason we lost that game.

KC has been held under 20 with Mahomes just 1 time in 2 years. If you can't score against them don't blame the d because they're going to get theirs.

And the 1 time they were held under 20 Indy controlled the clock 37 minutes to 23. We lost the top battle and didn't run at all in the 4th. Jimmy has to make those passes since that's what we dialed up.

You didn't watch the plays more then once did you? It is obvious you didn't. Genus49 is giving you the truth straight. And you cant handle the truth.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's okay that we run alot more...if we do. The problem is needing a QB that can get you out of jams should things be accounted for and theyre rushing the passer.

Other then the super bowl Jimmy has done a good job of doing that when needed, ppl forget it was his 1st full season as a starting QB, and coming off an ACL injury, he will get better, I'm sure of it, it's crazy to me how ppl don't seem to realize these things !

Are we talking 4th quarters he's pulled out...or the way he is able to play?

All things considered... he had an extremely successful season... no denying that.

But there are gaping holes in his game that shows up and cant be ignored.

Example....go back a 1000 pages or so and we are criticizing why he never throws the ball away.

Then the Superbowl comes and you know what? He finally DOES throw the ball away.... only problem being it was to the other team for an INT because apparently his arm wasnt strong enough. I guess that kinda adds to the criticism that he doesnt test the hashes 25 yards plus very much unless its a designed play with a wide open pass catcher.

Sooo...u cut off being able to fling it out of there quickly and safely...then what do u have to help you? Either A) You're mobile or B)Your smarts need to advance bigtime!

You have to understand that there is just plain bad luck in games sometimes...and then there are also clear, worrisome trends that might point to a guy almost 30 yrs old not being able to improve upon.

I say we stop arguing about his great season and focus on how our QB position can improve for 2020. Which one of the 3 things do you expect? More arm strength... more/better control of the passing game strategically.....or more mobility??

Cause he's going to need something.

Understand all you're saying but my point is it's hid 1st full season again, he has lots of room to grow and should, hopefully will, I absolutely think he's not a finished product, it was basically his rookie season while coming off an ACL, if next year at this time he is the same then I will start to question and worry, until then I don't understand the criticism he gets now, in no way did he by himself lose the super bowl.

Wait so now people are saying his arm wasn't strong enough to throw that ball away? Do people just fail to go back and watch the plays because we lost the game?

He got blasted halfway through his throwing motion which CLEARLY impacted the throw. How are people still not understanding that? We're really going to put it out there that he doesn't have an arm strong enough to throw the ball away?

I don't care if you're Mahomes/Josh Allen/Rodgers...if you're getting hit in the chest mid windup the throw will not go where you intend.

This is the truth. Too many people don't know how to watch a play.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Yeah...10 point lead with 7 minutes left and the Chiefs offense in 3rd and 15 and the QB who is getting hit on virtually all of his drops or the same DLman is batting down the passes that do get out cleanly is the SOLE reason we lost that game.

KC has been held under 20 with Mahomes just 1 time in 2 years. If you can't score against them don't blame the d because they're going to get theirs.

And the 1 time they were held under 20 Indy controlled the clock 37 minutes to 23. We lost the top battle and didn't run at all in the 4th. Jimmy has to make those passes since that's what we dialed up.

I don't give a sh*t about that.

How many times were the Broncos held to 10 points or less when Manning got there before they were held to 8 in their SB loss to Seattle?

How many times were the 2007 Pats held to 14 points before they were held to that in the SB by the Giants?

Or how about the flip side? How many times has a team put up more than 20 points on this defense when it was healthy?

Putting the loss SOLELY on Jimmy with everything that went on in that game is absurd. Just like when people were blaming the 28-3 loss by the Falcons strictly on Kyle Shanahan.

So many things change in that game that have nothing to do with Jimmy and it's a completely different situation that likely leads to us winning the game.

Whether it's the defense making a stop on 3rd and 15. Whether it's Moore not getting flagged/committing a penalty on 3rd down forcing them to settle for a FG which in turn gives us a totally different situation on offense. Whether Kittle isn't flagged for OPI...etc

Originally posted by Goatie:

You didn't watch the plays more then once did you? It is obvious you didn't. Genus49 is giving you the truth straight. And you cant handle the truth.

There were plays Jimmy flat out failed to see an open Kittle. The obvious #1 read. This has been widely discussed since the SB. I suggest you guys go back and rewatch the game. Do more than just follow the ball though.

The defense got trucked in the 4th quarter. What sucks about zone coverage is there are seams and gaps and large areas of uncovered territory (soft spots) and Mahomes was able to figure it out. One team made halftime adjustments and the other team thought the game was already won. I blame Saleh more than any one individual. It isn't Jimmy's fault he played above his ability all season.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Goatie:
You didn't watch the plays more then once did you? It is obvious you didn't. Genus49 is giving you the truth straight. And you cant handle the truth.

There were plays Jimmy flat out failed to see an open Kittle. The obvious #1 read. This has been widely discussed since the SB. I suggest you guys go back and rewatch the game. Do more than just follow the ball though.

You watched Baldy's breakdown...congrats.

Doesn't change all of the other stuff and all those plays that have been brought up you have no idea what happens on them. I've already addressed that whole concept earlier.

Playing with a lead is different than playing when you're behind or tied. Jimmy got trashed for throwing the pick against the Vikings with the lead. Him opting to go with a safer throw that's there isn't something I'm going to bash him for given what happened earlier in the playoffs. Some of the looks that were outlined where he missed Kittle are wide open after Jimmy already makes his decision to make the other throw.

Those plays are for Kyle and Jimmy to review together. You claim Kittle is the obvious #1 read, says who?

Originally posted by genus49:

I don't give a sh*t about that.

How many times were the Broncos held to 10 points or less when Manning got there before they were held to 8 in their SB loss to Seattle?

How many times were the 2007 Pats held to 14 points before they were held to that in the SB by the Giants?

Or how about the flip side? How many times has a team put up more than 20 points on this defense when it was healthy?

Putting the loss SOLELY on Jimmy with everything that went on in that game is absurd. Just like when people were blaming the 28-3 loss by the Falcons strictly on Kyle Shanahan.

So many things change in that game that have nothing to do with Jimmy and it's a completely different situation that likely leads to us winning the game.

Whether it's the defense making a stop on 3rd and 15. Whether it's Moore not getting flagged/committing a penalty on 3rd down forcing them to settle for a FG which in turn gives us a totally different situation on offense. Whether Kittle isn't flagged for OPI...etc

It's not 2008 anymore though. Offense wins nowadays due to the rule changes favoring them. In the past what 5-6 years we've seen 3 Super Bowl champions erase 10 point leads in the 4th. That Seattle d that blew Denver out got b slapped by Brady. KC has erased a 20 point lead last year v NE, and 3 10+ leads this postseason alone so you can not give a sh about it all you want but that's today's football.

Here you can go watch the last 11 minutes from 2h 15.

You will see that Jimmy didn't fail. Our O Line could not stop KC D Line. They came threw like no one was there and 95 was batting down Jimmy's passes. 3 times he got his hand to them. One on 3/10 Then Jimmy got sacked when Kyle went for it on 4th.

Go see for yourself

Crappolo is the weak link

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Crappolo is the weak link

Either you need glasses or you need to stop trolling

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Crappolo is the weak link

I see that as a good thing. 13 wins with a below average quarterback is something Kyle can tweak and improve on. Jimmy doesn't throw the prettiest ball but when half your yards are coming from shovel passes you don't need to rifle it in. Mask his weaknesses with plays that compliment his inability to make deep to medium throws.

Here is the condensed version. The 4th Quarter starts at 28.40

You will see what genus49 is saying is the truth. If you cant see you need glasses