Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by kdoggie:
Is this Stephen A Smith?

I don't mean to be rude...or I do...but you guys are morons if you want to trade a franchise QB and have someone else come in, take 2-3 years to learn Shanny's system, and effectively close our current championship window.

Enjoy the ride with Jimmy G. He just might be awesome.

Phillip Rivers was a franchise QB. So what? How many rings does San Diego have? Zero?

Ok then,...point being is the standards here are a little different,...especially with what may be perceived as a stocked roster for a couple years. You cant expect 49er fans to be happy and shut up simply because they have a legitimate starting QB for now.

We enjoy good football and want to see improvement at the position,..whether it be Jimmy or a plan for someone else. If I see the deer in headlights part of his game evaporate a little more (and I dont know that it can),...then sure. It's on the coaches and front office to decide on these things of course, and on us to discuss it on here.

Half of the QBs in the league probably don't have the season Jimmy had in his spot. But with a good roster it's not the time for complacency for sure.

Originally posted by Hawaii49er:
I think he played his best ball in 2017 when he went 5-0 to end the season. I hope he gets his legs under him and can get back to that.

To me that 2017 stretch is what gives me the most encouragement about his ability.

That was clearly our weakest team and he raised the whole team to a completely different level. We've all seen the charts pre-Jimmy in 2017 and post Jimmy in 2017.

Now he wasn't playing with the full Kyle offense but we saw a lot more of what some people on here claim he cannot do which is "make things happen"

Problem is you can't have it both ways. Kyle was brought in here for his scheme and the expectation is the QB play within the scheme.

We've seen Jimmy have the ability to just ball and make things happen when he's healthy. But Kyle's offense is what's critical for our success and when the QB and Kyle are in sync...watch out NFL.

The problem is Kyle's offense isn't easy to grasp 100%. It takes time. It took Matt Ryan with way better weapons at his disposal two years to grasp. Now the anti-Jimmy crowd will be quick to point out that Jimmy has now been here 3 years but the thing is one of those offseasons was spent rehabbing from ACL surgery. There hasn't been any consistency at the WR position and Matt Ryan was a 7 year starter before Kyle ever took that OC job with over 100 starts under his belt.

It would be incredibly stupid to replace Jimmy at this point with everything he's shown so far and everything we've seen from other QBs playing under Kyle.

All you folks wanting to ditch Garoppolo after a single season as starter need a history lesson.

2015 - 21 touchdowns, 16 interceptions, 4500 yards, 89.9 quarterback rating, 69.6 QBR (ESPN)
2016 - 38 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 4944 yards, 117.1 quarterback rating, 79.4 QBR (ESPN)

Those are Matt Ryan's numbers with Shannahan as his OC. He improved astronomically in his second season in the system. Actually, he set career marks during the 2016 season. Ryan didn't play for Shannahan until his 8th year as a starter. Have some patience. Garoppolo's been a starter for 1 year. Here are his numbers from this season:

2019 - 27 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 3978 yards, 102.0 quarterback rating, 60.2 QBR (ESPN)

That's pretty comparable considering that our receiver situation early on and our heavy use of the run.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaroJi00.htm

Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:
All you folks wanting to ditch Garoppolo after a single season as starter need a history lesson.

2015 - 21 touchdowns, 16 interceptions, 4500 yards, 89.9 quarterback rating, 69.6 QBR (ESPN)
2016 - 38 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 4944 yards, 117.1 quarterback rating, 79.4 QBR (ESPN)

Those are Matt Ryan's numbers with Shannahan as his OC. He improved astronomically in his second season in the system. Actually, he set career marks during the 2016 season. Ryan didn't play for Shannahan until his 8th year as a starter. Have some patience. Garoppolo's been a starter for 1 year. Here are his numbers from this season:

2019 - 27 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 3978 yards, 102.0 quarterback rating, 60.2 QBR (ESPN)

That's pretty comparable considering that our receiver situation early on and our heavy use of the run.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaroJi00.htm

Be prepared for

"You can't compare numbers because the NFL is so different from 4-5 years ago"

Has anyone had their minds changed regarding Jimmy or you guys just gonna post the same stuff all off season lol?

Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:

All you folks wanting to ditch Garoppolo after a single season as starter need a history lesson.

2015 - 21 touchdowns, 16 interceptions, 4500 yards, 89.9 quarterback rating, 69.6 QBR (ESPN)
2016 - 38 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, 4944 yards, 117.1 quarterback rating, 79.4 QBR (ESPN)

Those are Matt Ryan's numbers with Shannahan as his OC. He improved astronomically in his second season in the system. Actually, he set career marks during the 2016 season. Ryan didn't play for Shannahan until his 8th year as a starter. Have some patience. Garoppolo's been a starter for 1 year. Here are his numbers from this season:

2019 - 27 touchdowns, 13 interceptions, 3978 yards, 102.0 quarterback rating, 60.2 QBR (ESPN)

That's pretty comparable considering that our receiver situation early on and our heavy use of the run.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RyanMa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GaroJi00.htm

Facts.

Also keep in mind, we had zero Arby and deep receiving game.

If we can get McKinnon back, Hurd and Taylor healthy as short outlets and add a burner at XWR that defenses need to respect, coupled with the really good intermediate game already installed, look out. Throw in the tremendous running game with extra focus on IOL pass protection, the sky is the limit.

JG has never had a consistent healthy pocket here. His insane release time with Kyle scheming away from pressure, keeping guys like Kittle/Juice in to pass protect, dynamic versatile run game, etc. all help.

But if the FO fixes these 3 things and JG can just relax a bit with consistent confidence in protection, we know he's unstoppable with time...like any QB.

Originally posted by genus49:
Be prepared for

"You can't compare numbers because the NFL is so different from 4-5 years ago"

It's pretty simple to me. It takes more than one year to develop any quarterback in any system outside of high school. It's the NFL...its going to take time. There isn't a single free agent quarterback who would do any better, especially given the complexity of the offense.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's okay that we run alot more...if we do. The problem is needing a QB that can get you out of jams should things be accounted for and theyre rushing the passer.

okay, and Jimmy has done that for us all season. and bailed out the defense numerous times for that matter.

False

What about the Saints game!

Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:

Originally posted by genus49:
Be prepared for

"You can't compare numbers because the NFL is so different from 4-5 years ago"

It's pretty simple to me. It takes more than one year to develop any quarterback in any system outside of high school. It's the NFL...its going to take time. There isn't a single free agent quarterback who would do any better, especially given the complexity of the offense.

Come on guys, it's not rocket science. It's not the offense Jimmy or other QBs don't understand. It's the ability to know what the defense will be doing is what gets Jimmy and most other QBs in trouble.

Once Jimmy applies the same plays numerous times against different defenses more often, then he will be better at getting the ball to the right places.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's okay that we run alot more...if we do. The problem is needing a QB that can get you out of jams should things be accounted for and theyre rushing the passer.

okay, and Jimmy has done that for us all season. and bailed out the defense numerous times for that matter.

False

Was it the second Rams game where we converted twice on 3rd and 15+? Not sure about bailing out the defense, other than the Saints game. They were so good it was rarely needed. He would have bailed out the defense had we won the Super Bowl but people forget that the Chiefs played lights out defense in the second half. The quarterback most people want is a generational player and it takes time for those guys to develop. I'm not saying Garoppolo is the next Brady/Montana/GOAT, but for anyone to say his story has been written after a single season as a starter needs to pump the brakes.

Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by random49er:
It's okay that we run alot more...if we do. The problem is needing a QB that can get you out of jams should things be accounted for and theyre rushing the passer.

okay, and Jimmy has done that for us all season. and bailed out the defense numerous times for that matter.

False

Was it the second Rams game where we converted twice on 3rd and 15+? Not sure about bailing out the defense, other than the Saints game. They were so good it was rarely needed. He would have bailed out the defense had we won the Super Bowl but people forget that the Chiefs played lights out defense in the second half. The quarterback most people want is a generational player and it takes time for those guys to develop. I'm not saying Garoppolo is the next Brady/Montana/GOAT, but for anyone to say his story has been written after a single season as a starter needs to pump the brakes.

Arizona games you can definitely make the claim he bailed out the D.

Saints game is the clear one though considering the defense gave Brees his best game of the year.

Rothlisberger would thrive in this offense even at his age

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:

Originally posted by genus49:

Be prepared for

"You can't compare numbers because the NFL is so different from 4-5 years ago"

It's pretty simple to me. It takes more than one year to develop any quarterback in any system outside of high school. It's the NFL...its going to take time. There isn't a single free agent quarterback who would do any better, especially given the complexity of the offense.

Come on guys, it's not rocket science. It's not the offense Jimmy or other QBs don't understand. It's the ability to know what the defense will be doing is what gets Jimmy and most other QBs in trouble.

Once Jimmy applies the same plays numerous times against different defenses more often, then he will be better at getting the ball to the right places.

Are you new to the WCO?

Tom Brady would have to learn an entirely new system and language if he came here and all of the intricacies that come with it.

Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:

Originally posted by genus49:

Be prepared for

"You can't compare numbers because the NFL is so different from 4-5 years ago"

It's pretty simple to me. It takes more than one year to develop any quarterback in any system outside of high school. It's the NFL...its going to take time. There isn't a single free agent quarterback who would do any better, especially given the complexity of the offense.

People have no clue how many intricacies and nuances that are in THIS offense. No HC puts more on himself and by default, his QB than Kyle to control the game.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by AZ9erfan520:

Originally posted by genus49:
Be prepared for

"You can't compare numbers because the NFL is so different from 4-5 years ago"

It's pretty simple to me. It takes more than one year to develop any quarterback in any system outside of high school. It's the NFL...its going to take time. There isn't a single free agent quarterback who would do any better, especially given the complexity of the offense.

Come on guys, it's not rocket science. It's not the offense Jimmy or other QBs don't understand. It's the ability to know what the defense will be doing is what gets Jimmy and most other QBs in trouble.

Once Jimmy applies the same plays numerous times against different defenses more often, then he will be better at getting the ball to the right places.

Are you new to the WCO?

Tom Brady would have to learn an entirely new system and language if he came here and all of the intricacies that come with it.

What I'm saying is that it's not rocket science. NFL offenses are more about the player and their desire to study or their ability to retain information. What makes an offense unstoppable is when the QB has applied every play against all types of defenses numerous times to the point where the QB knows exactly what the defense is going to do. That's what Brady had in NE. His offense wasn't very complicated, it's just that he knew exactly where to go against any type of defense and he was able to decipher defenses.

Right now, Kyle is telling Jimmy what to look for. Once Jimmy is able to decipher defenses for every play in the playbook, he will be unstoppable. Until then, he will keep making what appears to be some dumb throws.