Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Jimmy is possibly the worst thrower of the football out of all the starters in the league. I just never feel comfortable on passing downs. He throws a wobbly ball and his location is XFL grade tbh. We won games because of the scheme not Jimmy lol Why do you think Kyle had a completely different scheme with Atlanta? Because Matt Ryan can make all the throws.

Yep. Moving on.....

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Jimmy is possibly the worst thrower of the football out of all the starters in the league. I just never feel comfortable on passing downs. He throws a wobbly ball and his location is XFL grade tbh. We won games because of the scheme not Jimmy lol Why do you think Kyle had a completely different scheme with Atlanta? Because Matt Ryan can make all the throws.

.......I have no words.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Jimmy certainly needs to work on a few things.

1. Chemistry all off season with the wide receivers and new players. He's clearly established it with Kittle, Bourne, Juice and Deebo and to a lesser degree, Sanders.
2. WCO year 2 of 3 knowledge
3. WCO mechanics (foot work and pocket feel); knee should be stronger and less in the back of his mind
4. Accuracy...left easy too many YAC on the table with behind and high passes. He needs to work on leading receivers and work on his deep ball and short game exclusively this off season once we have those players in house.
5. Work on his near-sighted vision...DL and LB's dropping into playing lanes and watching his eyes.

I Haven't really given much commentary on Jimmy G's performance in the SB. You are totally correct on what he needs to improve. But his SB performance, particularly the 4th quarter, has me worried. Now, I do think that Shanny's play calling and conservative game management was problematic. But I do think that had a lot to do with with what I think is his lack of confidence in Jimmy G's ability to fully execute the offense as Shanny has it laid out (hence the out-sized reliance on the run game).

I think this 2020 season is gonna be a watershed season for Jimmy G. 2020 is really show us just how much faith Shanny has in Jimmy G. IMHO, if Jimmy G does not elevate his game and give Shanny a true reason to not have to rely so heavily on the run game then I expect this team to look to move on from Jimmy G. This team is still well within the SB window, but we're a QB away.

Not saying that I've lost faith in Jimmy G., but I am concerned.

Nothing wrong with having concerns after a big loss.

The irony of those concerns is that if we look at JUST the Superbowl and both QB's, JG probably outperformed Mahomes on that day --- on just performance. Not ability, skill level, or accomplishments to that point. Just that game.

JG was certainly more poised to start, more accurate and made better decisions with the ball. This was surprising because JG hadn't really thrown much for 4-5 weeks while Mahomes had to throw until his arm almost fell off just to make it there.

Mahomes "best throw" of the day was essentially, a punt...to Tyreek Hill on a play he's executed before a lot on an excellent design against the right defense playing ultra conservative on a 3rd and 15. Literally, a punt.

And then came hurry-up tempo against a defense in a soft shell trying to burn clock and preserve a 2 score lead in the final 7 minutes with no depth. He simply had to just take what was given at that point. And he did. And rhythm, as we know, is huge for a QB.

There were about 4 plays where JG's decision making was poor given perfect designs. That, ultimately, was the difference in the two, primarily because of when those took place.

When looking at QB play that day, being honest, can we really say one outperformed the other?

Just curious...

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Jimmy is possibly the worst thrower of the football out of all the starters in the league. I just never feel comfortable on passing downs. He throws a wobbly ball and his location is XFL grade tbh. We won games because of the scheme not Jimmy lol Why do you think Kyle had a completely different scheme with Atlanta? Because Matt Ryan can make all the throws.

Sounds like you were banned at one point. Which alias were you using at that time?

I'm still fairly confident in Jimmy G, however, I feel that 2020 could be a make or break year. We have virtually all the pieces in place for him to be successful.

I would like to see...
1. Improved TD:INT ratio
2. A bit better pocket awareness to get rid of the ball
3. Smart and efficient audibling

If he plays similar to last year, I wouldn't be surprised to see them draft or look for another QB.

Another part of this is Shanahan. I want him to have the killer instinct, and keep on scoring. In the pass heavy league, I'm tired of coaches who sit back on a 14-20 point lead, only to watch the momentum shift and lose or nearly lose the game.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

I Haven't really given much commentary on Jimmy G's performance in the SB. You are totally correct on what he needs to improve. But his SB performance, particularly the 4th quarter, has me worried. Now, I do think that Shanny's play calling and conservative game management was problematic. But I do think that had a lot to do with with what I think is his lack of confidence in Jimmy G's ability to fully execute the offense as Shanny has it laid out (hence the out-sized reliance on the run game).

I think this 2020 season is gonna be a watershed season for Jimmy G. 2020 is really show us just how much faith Shanny has in Jimmy G. IMHO, if Jimmy G does not elevate his game and give Shanny a true reason to not have to rely so heavily on the run game then I expect this team to look to move on from Jimmy G. This team is still well within the SB window, but we're a QB away.

Not saying that I've lost faith in Jimmy G., but I am concerned.

I'm curious have you gone back to watch the pass plays from the 4th quarter? Or are you just remembering what you saw during the game?

Why do you ask?

Because on closer look I wouldn't think those concerns would still be there.

You didn't answer the question btw.

I did revisit the game. But my opinion won't change and I can't un-see the game I saw. I have worries about Jimmy G. that weren't there before the SB. Watching the game a 3rd time won't change.

I didn't initially answer the question because, frankly, I didn't feel that I had to. I despise qualifiers for opinions, an your question seemed like a qualifier.

There have been a few people in here bashing Jimmy for his play in the 4th who admitted they haven't gone back to re-watch the game so that's why I asked.

Personally I felt much better about his play after going back to look at what happened. It still wasn't pretty because the result was still terrible but the overall picture made me feel better about Jimmy.

As someone else said...end of the day the Super Bowl is just another game. Obviously it's THE game but it's still 1 game. Does that 1 game somehow erase everything else he's done late in games?

Add in the refs basically refusing to call anything to keep our drives alive - whether it's helmet to helmet hit, whether it's defensive holding. Add in the OL not blocking pressure up the middle. Add in Chris Jones batting down or getting his hands on passes which looked like they would've been big gainers and you get the results that you saw.

I'm not going to assume Jimmy was playing with a concussion after the hit to the head but he was clearly shaken up there. I would've loved for him to shake it off and still hit Sanders for the big TD and let his nuts hang but it didn't happen. One play doesn't change my opinion of his potential with our team moving forward.

That's why I was curious if you looked at those 4th qtr plays again.

Jimmy is still below Ryan just after 1 full no way he's already better than Ryan.

Can be as good as, but not better.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Jimmy is possibly the worst thrower of the football out of all the starters in the league. I just never feel comfortable on passing downs. He throws a wobbly ball and his location is XFL grade tbh. We won games because of the scheme not Jimmy lol Why do you think Kyle had a completely different scheme with Atlanta? Because Matt Ryan can make all the throws.

Yep. Moving on.....

That's Matt Ryan.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Jimmy certainly needs to work on a few things.

1. Chemistry all off season with the wide receivers and new players. He's clearly established it with Kittle, Bourne, Juice and Deebo and to a lesser degree, Sanders.
2. WCO year 2 of 3 knowledge
3. WCO mechanics (foot work and pocket feel); knee should be stronger and less in the back of his mind
4. Accuracy...left easy too many YAC on the table with behind and high passes. He needs to work on leading receivers and work on his deep ball and short game exclusively this off season once we have those players in house.
5. Work on his near-sighted vision...DL and LB's dropping into playing lanes and watching his eyes.

I Haven't really given much commentary on Jimmy G's performance in the SB. You are totally correct on what he needs to improve. But his SB performance, particularly the 4th quarter, has me worried. Now, I do think that Shanny's play calling and conservative game management was problematic. But I do think that had a lot to do with with what I think is his lack of confidence in Jimmy G's ability to fully execute the offense as Shanny has it laid out (hence the out-sized reliance on the run game).

I think this 2020 season is gonna be a watershed season for Jimmy G. 2020 is really show us just how much faith Shanny has in Jimmy G. IMHO, if Jimmy G does not elevate his game and give Shanny a true reason to not have to rely so heavily on the run game then I expect this team to look to move on from Jimmy G. This team is still well within the SB window, but we're a QB away.

Not saying that I've lost faith in Jimmy G., but I am concerned.

Nothing wrong with having concerns after a big loss.

The irony of those concerns is that if we look at JUST the Superbowl and both QB's, JG probably outperformed Mahomes on that day --- on just performance. Not ability, skill level, or accomplishments to that point. Just that game.

JG was certainly more poised to start, more accurate and made better decisions with the ball. This was surprising because JG hadn't really thrown much for 4-5 weeks while Mahomes had to throw until his arm almost fell off just to make it there.

Mahomes "best throw" of the day was essentially, a punt...to Tyreek Hill on a play he's executed before a lot on an excellent design against the right defense playing ultra conservative on a 3rd and 15. Literally, a punt.

And then came hurry-up tempo against a defense in a soft shell trying to burn clock and preserve a 2 score lead in the final 7 minutes with no depth. He simply had to just take what was given at that point. And he did. And rhythm, as we know, is huge for a QB.

There were about 4 plays where JG's decision making was poor given perfect designs. That, ultimately, was the difference in the two, primarily because of when those took place.

When looking at QB play that day, being honest, can we really say one outperformed the other?

Just curious...

See, that's what concerns me. All year he's been a bit inconsistent with his decision making, and it tends to come at critical times in games. Before the SB that really didn't concern me. But after the SB, and a painful re-watch of it, I came away with a real concern about Jimmy G's decision making in critical moments. Poor decisions in the face of perfect designs tells me that he still don't have full command of Shanny's offense. Jimmy G has to fix that. In Jimmy G's defense he does seem to be more consistent when he's allowed (or needed) to throw more (see the NO game). As you say, rhythm. This is why I say that 2020 will probably be a watershed year for Jimmy G. While I value balanced attack Shanny will need to rely on Jimmy G a bit more. And Jimmy G will have to show, consistently, that he's the reason we win. I do have my encouragements: going to the SB in his first full injury-free season in Shanny's scheme is a good foundation to build on. But again, I have concerns.

And to answer your question, well, no. But then I wasn't making the argument that Jimmy G was out performed by Mahomes. For me I think it's a silly comparison.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Jimmy is possibly the worst thrower of the football out of all the starters in the league. I just never feel comfortable on passing downs. He throws a wobbly ball and his location is XFL grade tbh. We won games because of the scheme not Jimmy lol Why do you think Kyle had a completely different scheme with Atlanta? Because Matt Ryan can make all the throws.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Jimmy is possibly the worst thrower of the football out of all the starters in the league. I just never feel comfortable on passing downs. He throws a wobbly ball and his location is XFL grade tbh. We won games because of the scheme not Jimmy lol Why do you think Kyle had a completely different scheme with Atlanta? Because Matt Ryan can make all the throws.

Sounds like you were banned at one point. Which alias were you using at that time?

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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Jimmy certainly needs to work on a few things.

1. Chemistry all off season with the wide receivers and new players. He's clearly established it with Kittle, Bourne, Juice and Deebo and to a lesser degree, Sanders.
2. WCO year 2 of 3 knowledge
3. WCO mechanics (foot work and pocket feel); knee should be stronger and less in the back of his mind
4. Accuracy...left easy too many YAC on the table with behind and high passes. He needs to work on leading receivers and work on his deep ball and short game exclusively this off season once we have those players in house.
5. Work on his near-sighted vision...DL and LB's dropping into playing lanes and watching his eyes.

I Haven't really given much commentary on Jimmy G's performance in the SB. You are totally correct on what he needs to improve. But his SB performance, particularly the 4th quarter, has me worried. Now, I do think that Shanny's play calling and conservative game management was problematic. But I do think that had a lot to do with with what I think is his lack of confidence in Jimmy G's ability to fully execute the offense as Shanny has it laid out (hence the out-sized reliance on the run game).

I think this 2020 season is gonna be a watershed season for Jimmy G. 2020 is really show us just how much faith Shanny has in Jimmy G. IMHO, if Jimmy G does not elevate his game and give Shanny a true reason to not have to rely so heavily on the run game then I expect this team to look to move on from Jimmy G. This team is still well within the SB window, but we're a QB away.

Not saying that I've lost faith in Jimmy G., but I am concerned.

Nothing wrong with having concerns after a big loss.

The irony of those concerns is that if we look at JUST the Superbowl and both QB's, JG probably outperformed Mahomes on that day --- on just performance. Not ability, skill level, or accomplishments to that point. Just that game.

JG was certainly more poised to start, more accurate and made better decisions with the ball. This was surprising because JG hadn't really thrown much for 4-5 weeks while Mahomes had to throw until his arm almost fell off just to make it there.

Mahomes "best throw" of the day was essentially, a punt...to Tyreek Hill on a play he's executed before a lot on an excellent design against the right defense playing ultra conservative on a 3rd and 15. Literally, a punt.

And then came hurry-up tempo against a defense in a soft shell trying to burn clock and preserve a 2 score lead in the final 7 minutes with no depth. He simply had to just take what was given at that point. And he did. And rhythm, as we know, is huge for a QB.

There were about 4 plays where JG's decision making was poor given perfect designs. That, ultimately, was the difference in the two, primarily because of when those took place.

When looking at QB play that day, being honest, can we really say one outperformed the other?

Just curious...

See, that's what concerns me. All year he's been a bit inconsistent with his decision making, and it tends to come at critical times in games. Before the SB that really didn't concern me. But after the SB, and a painful re-watch of it, I came away with a real concern about Jimmy G's decision making in critical moments. Poor decisions in the face of perfect designs tells me that he still don't have full command of Shanny's offense. Jimmy G has to fix that. In Jimmy G's defense he does seem to be more consistent when he's allowed (or needed) to throw more (see the NO game). As you say, rhythm. This is why I say that 2020 will probably be a watershed year for Jimmy G. While I value balanced attack Shanny will need to rely on Jimmy G a bit more. And Jimmy G will have to show, consistently, that he's the reason we win. I do have my encouragements: going to the SB in his first full injury-free season in Shanny's scheme is a good foundation to build on. But again, I have concerns.

And to answer your question, well, no. But then I wasn't making the argument that Jimmy G was out performed by Mahomes. For me I think it's a silly comparison.

No problem having concerns but basing them solely off the Super Bowl would be a mistake IMO.

Jimmy is an unfinished product. He has to show improvement and fix a bunch of things to be considered a QB you can truly rely on.

But for the people blaming his decision making that's something only he and Kyle can really address. Jimmy is the only one who can say what HE saw on those plays. Think of the plays we've bashed him on the so called "bad decisions" clearly he saw one thing and it blew up in his face.

I think most of the plays that were brought up where his decision was wrong were mostly when we had the lead. It's possible he didn't want to risk a turnover and took what to him seemed like the safer throw at the cost of potentially getting a bigger play.

I do think more time from the ACL injury, more time in this offense, more starting experience, more time with the receivers will help make a better QB but we have to see it so I get the concerns. Nothing is guaranteed.

I've seen enough from Jimmy outside of that one game to make me think his best football is in front of him.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
Jimmy is possibly the worst thrower of the football out of all the starters in the league. I just never feel comfortable on passing downs. He throws a wobbly ball and his location is XFL grade tbh. We won games because of the scheme not Jimmy lol Why do you think Kyle had a completely different scheme with Atlanta? Because Matt Ryan can make all the throws.

Yep. Moving on.....

That's Matt Ryan.

Or Grant Cohn

On the bright side my sister got me a nice niners sweater. She said it was cheaper since we lost

Btw guys. I'd like to remind you for the 100000000 time. This is my dudes first full season. Off of a horrific injury. Also the week before freaking guy dived at his repaired knees.

We lost in heartbreaking fashion. Again. Pick yourself up and try again. That's what separates winners from losers