Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Jimmy certainly needs to work on a few things.
1. Chemistry all off season with the wide receivers and new players. He's clearly established it with Kittle, Bourne, Juice and Deebo and to a lesser degree, Sanders.
2. WCO year 2 of 3 knowledge
3. WCO mechanics (foot work and pocket feel); knee should be stronger and less in the back of his mind
4. Accuracy...left easy too many YAC on the table with behind and high passes. He needs to work on leading receivers and work on his deep ball and short game exclusively this off season once we have those players in house.
5. Work on his near-sighted vision...DL and LB's dropping into playing lanes and watching his eyes.
I Haven't really given much commentary on Jimmy G's performance in the SB. You are totally correct on what he needs to improve. But his SB performance, particularly the 4th quarter, has me worried.
Now, I do think that Shanny's play calling and conservative game management was problematic. But I do think that had a lot to do with with what I think is his lack of confidence in Jimmy G's ability to fully execute the offense as Shanny has it laid out (hence the out-sized reliance on the run game).
I think this 2020 season is gonna be a watershed season for Jimmy G. 2020 is really show us just how much faith Shanny has in Jimmy G. IMHO, if Jimmy G does not elevate his game and give Shanny a true reason to not have to rely so heavily on the run game then I expect this team to look to move on from Jimmy G. This team is still well within the SB window, but we're a QB away.
Not saying that I've lost faith in Jimmy G., but I am concerned.
Nothing wrong with having concerns after a big loss.
The irony of those concerns is that if we look at JUST the Superbowl and both QB's, JG probably outperformed Mahomes on that day --- on just performance. Not ability, skill level, or accomplishments to that point. Just that game.
JG was certainly more poised to start, more accurate and made better decisions with the ball. This was surprising because JG hadn't really thrown much for 4-5 weeks while Mahomes had to throw until his arm almost fell off just to make it there.
Mahomes "best throw" of the day was essentially, a punt...to Tyreek Hill on a play he's executed before a lot on an excellent design against the right defense playing ultra conservative on a 3rd and 15. Literally, a punt.
And then came hurry-up tempo against a defense in a soft shell trying to burn clock and preserve a 2 score lead in the final 7 minutes with no depth. He simply had to just take what was given at that point. And he did. And rhythm, as we know, is huge for a QB.
There were about 4 plays where JG's decision making was poor given perfect designs. That, ultimately, was the difference in the two, primarily because of when those took place.
When looking at QB play that day, being honest, can we really say one outperformed the other?
Just curious...
See, that's what concerns me. All year he's been a bit inconsistent with his decision making, and it tends to come at critical times in games. Before the SB that really didn't concern me. But after the SB, and a painful re-watch of it, I came away with a real concern about Jimmy G's decision making in critical moments. Poor decisions in the face of perfect designs tells me that he still don't have full command of Shanny's offense. Jimmy G has to fix that. In Jimmy G's defense he does seem to be more consistent when he's allowed (or needed) to throw more (see the NO game). As you say, rhythm. This is why I say that 2020 will probably be a watershed year for Jimmy G. While I value balanced attack Shanny will need to rely on Jimmy G a bit more. And Jimmy G will have to show, consistently, that he's the reason we win. I do have my encouragements: going to the SB in his first full injury-free season in Shanny's scheme is a good foundation to build on. But again, I have concerns.
And to answer your question, well, no. But then I wasn't making the argument that Jimmy G was out performed by Mahomes. For me I think it's a silly comparison.
No problem having concerns but basing them solely off the Super Bowl would be a mistake IMO.
Jimmy is an unfinished product. He has to show improvement and fix a bunch of things to be considered a QB you can truly rely on.
But for the people blaming his decision making that's something only he and Kyle can really address. Jimmy is the only one who can say what HE saw on those plays. Think of the plays we've bashed him on the so called "bad decisions" clearly he saw one thing and it blew up in his face.
I think most of the plays that were brought up where his decision was wrong were mostly when we had the lead. It's possible he didn't want to risk a turnover and took what to him seemed like the safer throw at the cost of potentially getting a bigger play.
I do think more time from the ACL injury, more time in this offense, more starting experience, more time with the receivers will help make a better QB but we have to see it so I get the concerns. Nothing is guaranteed.
I've seen enough from Jimmy outside of that one game to make me think his best football is in front of him.
So I just went back and watched the coaches film...which is ideal because there's no sound and because of the two views. I was essentially looking at what Garoppolo could control.
My notes:
--- 1Q-2Q: On a clear offsides, he didn't attempt Bourne deeper in the seam and take a shot; went to the short RB instead INC. TBF, all were well covered but I saw Kyle talking to him after that. Learning lesson.
--- 2nd INC...throw away on 3rd down. Nobody open. Took the FG. I'm OK with this. Well covered. No need to force it this early.
--- INT clearly a throw-away attempt IMHO but got smashed as he was throwing it; this is validated later in the 4Q on another identical throw-away.
--- Assessment: Basically, no real INC passes through the first half (1 throw-away and INT on a throw-away). Perfect execution of the game plan and near perfect accuracy (1 pass slightly behind Deebo on a slant but it didn't affect his YAC or stop his motion). I liked that after Mahomes lead a TD drive (aided by a 3rd down stop penalty), down 7, Garoppolo instantly leads them down the field and ties it.
--- Excellent drive from 15 to FG. Executed the design (a major theme here); Kittle clearing out Sanders on the slant to pick up 5 yards for the 1st...but picked up 3. I think Kyle figured knowing it was 3rd down, the Chiefs would bracket Kittle leaving the middle wide open. But excellent defense by the CB and LB there. In hindsight, nobody followed Kittle despite MOTFC.
--- 3Q: 2nd INC with 3 minutes left in the 3Q looks like a clear pass interference on Sanders. No call of course. It would have set them up inside their 15 at least. Next play, strike to Bourne to the 10. TD.
Through 3Q, flawless execution of the game plan and designs with near perfect accuracy. 3 INC (1 throw-aways/1 throw-away INT and a non-call P.I.)
--- 4Q: 9 minutes left. Hell breaks loose from here on...their entire DL is lined up in the neutral zone every single time...crowding it big time...leads to an immediate INC to Deebo high (absolutely drilled right up the middle by LB #53 untouched as he threw). Too bad because Deebo was open a tad still as was Bourne outside on a total blown coverage. 2 second pressure forces the 1st read high as he throws, braces and spins at impact at the same time. Now 3rd and 9. This leads to this: their DL is lined up way in the neutral zone...again...and their NT flinches forward which makes Staley flinch. They call a false start. Now 3rd and 15 after reaching our own 40 originally. DL lines up again off sides AND jump off sides early immediately forcing JG to scramble right outside the pocket and there is literally nobody on that side of the field...still gets blasted at the sidelines despite clearly heading out of bounds and body language giving up on the play. Just an epic fail by the officials here on every single down.
--- 6 minutes left. 5 yard run. Knockdown by Jones. Damn. Kittle was wide open for the 1st down. 3rd and 5, then a kill-shot to JG's face/head. This one is on JG because he had exactly 3 seconds and Bourne was open. Bourne runs a dig and breaks inside and JG throws it outside. Bourne looking back at JG in confusion. As far wide as he threw it, I think he learned from the INT earlier in the game to throw it wider and harder. IMHO, this was a throw-away. Or a really bad miscommunication with Bourne on the route. And they were moving the ball so well up to this crap scenario unfolding. Points here likely ends the game.
We're in trouble now. Hurry up offense + big soft shell defense + clear officiating bias on both units = bad things.
---2 minutes left. Down 24-20. HUGE false start on Sanders after another 5 yard run. This was the killer here. 1st and 15 now instead of 2nd and 5. From the 15 to the 50. Clutch throw to Bourne and he gets OB. Then, Jones with another bat down. Deebo wide open. Crap.
--- Now 2nd and 10. Poor pre snap diagnosis and worse throw. Near INT to Bourne. Way to slow a delivery. Has to hit immediately. Snap-n-throw. Never looks at the S and stairs at Bourne from the snap and slow release. That's how you get your receiver killed.
--- Next play is the worst play call IMHO. 3rd and 10 and in 2 down territory with 1:44. Even if you score here, you give Mahomes 1:30 for a tie after he's just shredded your defenses' soft shell in no time. Every route was at least 10+ yards. We were getting 5+ yards on that drive whether run or pass. No need for an ego shot there. I believe that was the play call/design though but IMHO, that shot needed to come much earlier in the game to help keep the S's back (whom made several key plays by playing shallow). Not now. 4th down call was just as poor. 3 covered verticals. Kittle open post sack but JG's looking verts to get 10 for a 1st on 4th down. No pretty design like Reid called for Hill on 3rd and 15. Game over.
So overall, when I factor in the play calling and his execution within Kyle's game plan, and what HE could control, I'm very encouraged going forward.
His final stat line of 20 for 31 doesn't do any justice at all as outlined above. He had roughly, 3 missed throws (1 on a low % deep pass, 1 on a slow delivery slant & 1 to an Arby), 2 throw-aways, 1 throw-away INT, 1 clear P.I. and 2 batted passes through 1 minute 12 seconds left in the game (9).
The final 1:12 was a QB hit throw-away and INT (2).
I mean, what HC would be displeased with that? Unfortunately, because of the design of the game to manage the clock and the way it unfolded, he had to be absolutely flawless to win. And that's probably not fair.
[ Edited by NCommand on Feb 24, 2020 at 3:04 PM ]
