Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by genus49:

My mind is blown by some of these posts.

No chit there is no guarantee Jimmy doesn't improve next year. Just like there's no guarantee Patrick Mahomes improves next year.

However if you just use a little logic it will point that a guy who is able to actually spend time working on his game instead of rehabbing from a serious knee injury SHOULD improve.

I just don't get how you can see everything we've seen from Jimmy on this team, use logic and still see a guy who isn't going to improve.

Yes it's possible but I'm not putting money on it.

The differnce is Mahommes is already great. Regular season mvp, SB mvp, all pro, what more do you want lol. Jimmy needs to improve, Pat doesn't.

WHICH makes me wonder, with all the guys complaining about Jimmy's SB performance be crying still had SHANNY called MOSTERT's # more and we ended up winning the game??

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by 9moon:
... the guy went 6 or 7 and 0 when he was first traded here, and everyone called him the savior..

.. the guy was out last year and some called him a softy bust..

... the guy lead us to the Super Bowl in his first full season, with not much experience, and everyone's b***hin already ??

Can we give him 2 more years before giving him his FINAL GRADE??

, come on Moon, that's a stretch. Yes he played great at times, but one could argue that the team made it to the super bowl despite Jimmy. Let's not forget how the defense carried the team at times.
I won't even bring up the Minn and GB playoff games, those games were won by the defense and running game, then Jimmy.

I agree it's not time for his final grade, but the dude better show up and be twice as good or better when Aug rolls around.

.. and you fully believe that if CJ or Mullen was the one playing against Minn and Green Bay, the result would have been the same?

those 2 teams would have given CJ or Mullen the same respect as they did Jimmy?

or had YOU been the coach, wouldn't you try to stop the run instead of CJ or MULLEN??

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by FaTaL:

Only if jimmy was a little more mobile he could run for some first downs when nobody is open

He needs to chuck that knee brace so he's a little more nimble.

I think I remember him saying he's gonna play with it for the rest of his career.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by FaTaL:
Only if jimmy was a little more mobile he could run for some first downs when nobody is open

He needs to chuck that knee brace so he's a little more nimble.

I think I remember him saying he's gonna play with it for the rest of his career.

Yeah, I know - I think it's a psychological thing with him.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by FaTaL:
Only if jimmy was a little more mobile he could run for some first downs when nobody is open

He needs to chuck that knee brace so he's a little more nimble.

Picture of Jimmy next season.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
My mind is blown by some of these posts.

No chit there is no guarantee Jimmy doesn't improve next year. Just like there's no guarantee Patrick Mahomes improves next year.

However if you just use a little logic it will point that a guy who is able to actually spend time working on his game instead of rehabbing from a serious knee injury SHOULD improve.

I just don't get how you can see everything we've seen from Jimmy on this team, use logic and still see a guy who isn't going to improve.

Yes it's possible but I'm not putting money on it.

The differnce is Mahommes is already great. Regular season mvp, SB mvp, all pro, what more do you want lol. Jimmy needs to improve, Pat doesn't.

The point was you can't guarantee any QB improves because despite my post above we cannot tell the future.

You can make logical assumptions based on prior history in similar situations and other conclusions based on the samples we already have.

QBs coming off ACL injuries historically don't have their best seasons.
QBs early in their careers when they've shown anything to be excited about tend to improve with more experience.
QBs who have consistency at the receiver position tend to improve and develop much better timing with those guys.

All the things about Jimmy and his situation point a lot more towards him improving than not.

Mahomes could have his OL suffer serious injuries, lose Kelce and Hill to injury and suddenly not look as good...will your opinion of him change or will you point to those things happening as a reason he wasn't as good?

Mahomes came into a PERFECT scenario for him. Great OL, speed all over the place. A great TE in the passing game and an offense which allows him to do what he does. Do you remember what a lesser version of that offense turned Alex Smith into?

Career highs in TDs, low int, career high in Y/A, AY/A, Y/C, Y/G, QB Rating QBR

That year he was top 10 in the following categories
Cmp%(3)
Yards(8)
TD(9)
Y/A(T2)
AY/A(1)
Y/C(T8)
Y/G(7)
QB Rating(1)
QBR(6)

That's Alex Smith.

Now how was Mahomes looking in that game when he was actually getting hit? Before our DL tired out from getting held all game long? Yet became Mahomes makes his wide open pass to Hill on 3rd and 15 he doesn't need to improve at all but Jimmy can't improve because he missed Sanders on a MUCH tougher throw?

K....

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

My mind is blown by some of these posts.

No chit there is no guarantee Jimmy doesn't improve next year. Just like there's no guarantee Patrick Mahomes improves next year.

However if you just use a little logic it will point that a guy who is able to actually spend time working on his game instead of rehabbing from a serious knee injury SHOULD improve.

I just don't get how you can see everything we've seen from Jimmy on this team, use logic and still see a guy who isn't going to improve.

Yes it's possible but I'm not putting money on it.

The differnce is Mahommes is already great. Regular season mvp, SB mvp, all pro, what more do you want lol. Jimmy needs to improve, Pat doesn't.

The point was you can't guarantee any QB improves because despite my post above we cannot tell the future.

You can make logical assumptions based on prior history in similar situations and other conclusions based on the samples we already have.

QBs coming off ACL injuries historically don't have their best seasons.
QBs early in their careers when they've shown anything to be excited about tend to improve with more experience.
QBs who have consistency at the receiver position tend to improve and develop much better timing with those guys.

All the things about Jimmy and his situation point a lot more towards him improving than not.

Mahomes could have his OL suffer serious injuries, lose Kelce and Hill to injury and suddenly not look as good...will your opinion of him change or will you point to those things happening as a reason he wasn't as good?

Mahomes came into a PERFECT scenario for him. Great OL, speed all over the place. A great TE in the passing game and an offense which allows him to do what he does. Do you remember what a lesser version of that offense turned Alex Smith into?

Career highs in TDs, low int, career high in Y/A, AY/A, Y/C, Y/G, QB Rating QBR

That year he was top 10 in the following categories
Cmp%(3)
Yards(8)
TD(9)
Y/A(T2)
AY/A(1)
Y/C(T8)
Y/G(7)
QB Rating(1)
QBR(6)

That's Alex Smith.

Now how was Mahomes looking in that game when he was actually getting hit? Before our DL tired out from getting held all game long? Yet became Mahomes makes his wide open pass to Hill on 3rd and 15 he doesn't need to improve at all but Jimmy can't improve because he missed Sanders on a MUCH tougher throw?

K....

Lol Smith.

Sure, Pat didnt have a great SB, but thats what happens when you go up against arguably the best defense in the nfl. Jimmy went against a below average defense.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Lol Smith.

Sure, Pat didnt have a great SB, but thats what happens when you go up against arguably the best defense in the nfl. Jimmy went against a below average defense.

Below average? I certainly hoped they were a product of playing weaker teams but their defense stepped up in a big way, aided by the refs allowing them to do whatever the hell they wanted.

They were 7th in points allowed in the NFL. FYI that's better than where our D was at 8th.
They were also 8th in the NFL vs the pass.

So your definition of below average would only be accurate if this was 1940s when there were only like 10 teams in the league.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Lol Smith.

Sure, Pat didnt have a great SB, but thats what happens when you go up against arguably the best defense in the nfl. Jimmy went against a below average defense.

Below average? I certainly hoped they were a product of playing weaker teams but their defense stepped up in a big way, aided by the refs allowing them to do whatever the hell they wanted.

They were 7th in points allowed in the NFL. FYI that's better than where our D was at 8th.
They were also 8th in the NFL vs the pass.

So your definition of below average would only be accurate if this was 1940s when there were only like 10 teams in the league.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

Oh so now their defense is good? Lmao. Good luck fooling anyone into believing that.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Oh so now their defense is good? Lmao. Good luck fooling anyone into believing that.

Like I said...facts are tough to deal with when they don't fit your narrative huh?

Top 10 defense all season long vs the pass with their best player missing 4 games. Their secondary isn't that great but when you're allowed to hold without any flags being thrown it levels the playing field.

Originally posted by genus49:

Below average? I certainly hoped they were a product of playing weaker teams but their defense stepped up in a big way, aided by the refs allowing them to do whatever the hell they wanted.

They were 7th in points allowed in the NFL. FYI that's better than where our D was at 8th.
They were also 8th in the NFL vs the pass.

So your definition of below average would only be accurate if this was 1940s when there were only like 10 teams in the league.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

If Jimmy wasn't a turnover machine we'd easily have a better scoring d. Amazing how that works. KC's o being 4th in fewest turnovers given up allows for a better scoring d. Our needlessly average turnover rate
weighs our great d down.

But Andy is always gets the most out of his average d's. Credit ti them there because all things considered I agree they can be considered above average. Still they were 17th in yards given up/ 27th in rushing going up against the #2 rushing team. No reason to choke. We moved the ball with ease all game long and just didn't deliver in the end.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Oh so now their defense is good? Lmao. Good luck fooling anyone into believing that.

Like I said...facts are tough to deal with when they don't fit your narrative huh?

Top 10 defense all season long vs the pass with their best player missing 4 games. Their secondary isn't that great but when you're allowed to hold without any flags being thrown it levels the playing field.

Stop with this "facts" crap. They were not a good defense. Even Chiefs fans will tell you that. Thats how i know you're completely biased.

Great start to his career. Keep building on it.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Below average? I certainly hoped they were a product of playing weaker teams but their defense stepped up in a big way, aided by the refs allowing them to do whatever the hell they wanted.

They were 7th in points allowed in the NFL. FYI that's better than where our D was at 8th.
They were also 8th in the NFL vs the pass.

So your definition of below average would only be accurate if this was 1940s when there were only like 10 teams in the league.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

If Jimmy wasn't a turnover machine we'd easily have a better scoring d. Amazing how that works. KC's o being 4th in fewest turnovers given up allows for a better scoring d. Our needlessly average turnover rate
weighs our great d down.

But Andy is always gets the most out of his average d's. Credit ti them there because all things considered I agree they can be considered above average. Still they were 17th in yards given up/ 27th in rushing going up against the #2 rushing team. No reason to choke. We moved the ball with ease all game long and just didn't deliver in the end.

Which applies how when Gore is acting like Jimmy was going up against a weak passing defense?

I'm well aware why our defense wasn't higher ranked and Jimmy's turnovers are a small part of it considering our defense was #2 during his worst turnover stretch and then dropped when we played tougher teams with our beat up defense.

Fact remains the KC passing defense was good all year and made even better when the officials decide to ignore holding in the secondary.

When you're allowed to hold in the secondary, allowed to hit the QB whether it's helmet to helmet at all...you're going to be able to step your game up even if the talent is inferior to what the 49ers had.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
Oh so now their defense is good? Lmao. Good luck fooling anyone into believing that.

Like I said...facts are tough to deal with when they don't fit your narrative huh?

Top 10 defense all season long vs the pass with their best player missing 4 games. Their secondary isn't that great but when you're allowed to hold without any flags being thrown it levels the playing field.

Stop with this "facts" crap. They were not a good defense. Even Chiefs fans will tell you that. Thats how i know you're completely biased.

Considering the Chief fans were on twitter before the game trying to argue their defense was as good as ours?

Whatever you say chief...