Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Oh so now their defense is good? Lmao. Good luck fooling anyone into believing that.

Like I said...facts are tough to deal with when they don't fit your narrative huh?

Top 10 defense all season long vs the pass with their best player missing 4 games. Their secondary isn't that great but when you're allowed to hold without any flags being thrown it levels the playing field.

Stop with this "facts" crap. They were not a good defense. Even Chiefs fans will tell you that. Thats how i know you're completely biased.

Considering the Chief fans were on twitter before the game trying to argue their defense was as good as ours?

Whatever you say chief...

Then you got trolled on twitter

Look, this is my honest opinion of Jimmy.

I thought in 17 he looked good, and really good at times. His ACL was a big issue this year, especially with that brace on. Jimmy wasn't Vick, but if you look at his games in 17, he was able to side step rushers and work the pocket much better when there was pressure. Not only that but he also ran for some first downs and threw on the run. His deep ball also looked better. KS protected him a lot more this year because of that.

Hes never gonna have a cannon for an arm and hes not gonna grow and extra 5 inches and be Big Ben in the pocket. But thats why its important he regains his mobility back so he can make up for not being huge or having a cannon. Thats why when I said yestarday that its not a guarantee he will improve and he can stay the same, this is the reason for that. Especially since he still wants to wear that brace, though I hope he changes his mind about that.

If he looks like 17 Jimmy again, its gonna be all good going forward.

I keep seeing people mention Jimmy regaining his mobility. He doesn't have mobility and never did. Last year was right about his average per carry at 1.3 yards. His career average is 1.2 yards. His longest run is 13 yards. He ran 4.93 and 4.97 at the combine. Please stop expecting him to become a mobile QB. That's not how he is going to win games. If anything. he'll get hurt again when he gets run down from behind by a DE or LB.

I went back and read his draft profile and I have to say that so far it is pretty accurate. It mentions a 3/4 delivery that can result in batted balls. (we've seen those) Doesn't feel pressure well in the pocket. (we've seen that) Doesn't rip the deep out or drive the ball with high rpm. ( most of his throws are in the middle of the field in the 10-20 yard range). Undershoots and often hangs the deep pass. Deep accuracy can stand to improve. All of those things are true.

Now the good stuff. Very quick trigger and smooth throwing motion. Good compact delivery. Sells play action well. Able to slide in the pocket and buy time. Good anticipation and throws receivers open. Doesn't take unnecessary sacks and will dump the ball off. ( again that was an issue at times last year but some of it was because of the O line) Tough minded and can take a hit and pop back up ( very true) Highly competitive. (very true)

Bottom line assessment was he is more of a caretaker than a game changer but could develop into a quality starting QB in a rhythm passing game in the NFL.

I would say the report on him was pretty accurate in both the strengths and weaknesses. It's pretty much what we've seen so far.

Watch the games. Jimmy been making throws all year. Under pressure, game on the line, threading coverages. Without those throws we're not 13-3 #1 seed in the NFC.

Why go with the media that force feed you a false narrative on Jimmy. Just watch the games.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Watch the games. Jimmy been making throws all year. Under pressure, game on the line, threading coverages. Without those throws we're not 13-3 #1 seed in the NFC.

Why go with the media that force feed you a false narrative on Jimmy. Just watch the games.

im 100% confident we can win any game with jimmy at qb and thats why I was like so confident we were going to beat KC. I'll still feel that way even more so next year unless we s**t the bed letting Sanders walk and not having a legit replacement. He's only going to get better

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I keep seeing people mention Jimmy regaining his mobility. He doesn't have mobility and never did. Last year was right about his average per carry at 1.3 yards. His career average is 1.2 yards. His longest run is 13 yards. He ran 4.93 and 4.97 at the combine. Please stop expecting him to become a mobile QB. That's not how he is going to win games. If anything. he'll get hurt again when he gets run down from behind by a DE or LB.

I went back and read his draft profile and I have to say that so far it is pretty accurate. It mentions a 3/4 delivery that can result in batted balls. (we've seen those) Doesn't feel pressure well in the pocket. (we've seen that) Doesn't rip the deep out or drive the ball with high rpm. ( most of his throws are in the middle of the field in the 10-20 yard range). Undershoots and often hangs the deep pass. Deep accuracy can stand to improve. All of those things are true.

Now the good stuff. Very quick trigger and smooth throwing motion. Good compact delivery. Sells play action well. Able to slide in the pocket and buy time. Good anticipation and throws receivers open. Doesn't take unnecessary sacks and will dump the ball off. ( again that was an issue at times last year but some of it was because of the O line) Tough minded and can take a hit and pop back up ( very true) Highly competitive. (very true)

Bottom line assessment was he is more of a caretaker than a game changer but could develop into a quality starting QB in a rhythm passing game in the NFL.

I would say the report on him was pretty accurate in both the strengths and weaknesses. It's pretty much what we've seen so far.

Some pre-draft things are accurate...some are not.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Aaron-Donald?id=2543485

Jimmy isn't Lamar Jackson but he's not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning either. When he was healthy he was mobile enough to make things happen with his legs.

As for the doesn't rip the ball the ball off...he may not have a rocket but considering the biggest pass he missed in the SB was an overthrow on a deep pass his arm isn't a concern either. Referencing the amount of his throws being 10-20 yard range as proof for his arm being a concern is an odd way to go.

Jimmy is a 2nd round pick/nearly 3rd round pick for a reason and it's because he wasn't a slam dunk prospect with few issues.

He played in a small school, he showed some good things and some bad things. He's still developing and is still a QB who has shown some good things and some bad things.

A QB doesn't have to run around to be good. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had themselves pretty good NFL careers being statues. Dan Marino and many others as well.

Can you honestly say that when Jimmy is healthy that he's less athletic/mobile than Joe Montana? If he is it's certainly not a huge disparity.

Either way Jimmy has shown enough when he was healthy that he can move and make things happen with his feet when needed. But considering the last time he tried to show up what he can do with his legs he ended up getting a torn ACL I'm just fine with him looking to run a lot less.

People here are still overreacting? Outside of 1 quarter of football, JG was looking like the game MVP. All that we found out against Kansas City was that he is not as electric as Patrick Mahomes. So what...? He also didn't have any of his receivers roast a corner the way Sherman was getting roasted. He also had far less time to deliver his throws than Mahomes in the 4th.......

JG is the least of this teams' problems and he's not going anywhere, any time soon.

Originally posted by genus49:
Some pre-draft things are accurate...some are not.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Aaron-Donald?id=2543485

Jimmy isn't Lamar Jackson but he's not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning either. When he was healthy he was mobile enough to make things happen with his legs.

As for the doesn't rip the ball the ball off...he may not have a rocket but considering the biggest pass he missed in the SB was an overthrow on a deep pass his arm isn't a concern either. Referencing the amount of his throws being 10-20 yard range as proof for his arm being a concern is an odd way to go.

Jimmy is a 2nd round pick/nearly 3rd round pick for a reason and it's because he wasn't a slam dunk prospect with few issues.

He played in a small school, he showed some good things and some bad things. He's still developing and is still a QB who has shown some good things and some bad things.

A QB doesn't have to run around to be good. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had themselves pretty good NFL careers being statues. Dan Marino and many others as well.

Can you honestly say that when Jimmy is healthy that he's less athletic/mobile than Joe Montana? If he is it's certainly not a huge disparity.

Either way Jimmy has shown enough when he was healthy that he can move and make things happen with his feet when needed. But considering the last time he tried to show up what he can do with his legs he ended up getting a torn ACL I'm just fine with him looking to run a lot less.

Jimmy is less athletic than Montana was when he was young. Joe ran for 53 yards in the SB against the Dolphins and he often ran for 8-10 yards for first downs. After a few years getting beat up and when the back started bothering him, his mobility dropped off a lot. Jimmy's longest run of his career was 13 yards and his average is 1.2. That's not mobile. That doesn't mean he can't move around in the pocket like Peyton and Brady but my point is that he isn't what you would consider a mobile QB. He has to slide around and avoid tacklers and that's something he had some problems with. Some on this forum think it may be because he is so focused on the receivers that he doesn't see what's going on around him. That may be the case and if it is he needs to learn that being aware of where the rush is coming from is just as important as where the receivers are. A quick step left or right can buy time but you have to make sure you aren't stepping into the rush. That's a problem that Kap had and he ended up getting sacked a lot even though he had good speed.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Below average? I certainly hoped they were a product of playing weaker teams but their defense stepped up in a big way, aided by the refs allowing them to do whatever the hell they wanted.

They were 7th in points allowed in the NFL. FYI that's better than where our D was at 8th.
They were also 8th in the NFL vs the pass.

So your definition of below average would only be accurate if this was 1940s when there were only like 10 teams in the league.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

If Jimmy wasn't a turnover machine we'd easily have a better scoring d. Amazing how that works. KC's o being 4th in fewest turnovers given up allows for a better scoring d. Our needlessly average turnover rate
weighs our great d down.

But Andy is always gets the most out of his average d's. Credit ti them there because all things considered I agree they can be considered above average. Still they were 17th in yards given up/ 27th in rushing going up against the #2 rushing team. No reason to choke. We moved the ball with ease all game long and just didn't deliver in the end.

we had the game won... I'm not sure why it's hard for everyone to see and admit that..

even Troy Aikman presumed that we will run the ball down their throat... But I do get it, everyone here who LOVES Shanny just wont admit the fact that he blew the game for us...

Everyone's blaming Jimmy not hitting the OPEN receiver on that drive, but I don't recall anyone BLAMING Russell Wilson for throwing that INT in the Super Bowl...

The blame went from the OC to Pete Carroll because the did not run the ball... so, why can't our fans see that it was on SHANNY ??

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:
Some pre-draft things are accurate...some are not.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/Aaron-Donald?id=2543485

Jimmy isn't Lamar Jackson but he's not Tom Brady or Peyton Manning either. When he was healthy he was mobile enough to make things happen with his legs.

As for the doesn't rip the ball the ball off...he may not have a rocket but considering the biggest pass he missed in the SB was an overthrow on a deep pass his arm isn't a concern either. Referencing the amount of his throws being 10-20 yard range as proof for his arm being a concern is an odd way to go.

Jimmy is a 2nd round pick/nearly 3rd round pick for a reason and it's because he wasn't a slam dunk prospect with few issues.

He played in a small school, he showed some good things and some bad things. He's still developing and is still a QB who has shown some good things and some bad things.

A QB doesn't have to run around to be good. Tom Brady and Peyton Manning had themselves pretty good NFL careers being statues. Dan Marino and many others as well.

Can you honestly say that when Jimmy is healthy that he's less athletic/mobile than Joe Montana? If he is it's certainly not a huge disparity.

Either way Jimmy has shown enough when he was healthy that he can move and make things happen with his feet when needed. But considering the last time he tried to show up what he can do with his legs he ended up getting a torn ACL I'm just fine with him looking to run a lot less.

Jimmy is less athletic than Montana was when he was young. Joe ran for 53 yards in the SB against the Dolphins and he often ran for 8-10 yards for first downs. After a few years getting beat up and when the back started bothering him, his mobility dropped off a lot. Jimmy's longest run of his career was 13 yards and his average is 1.2. That's not mobile. That doesn't mean he can't move around in the pocket like Peyton and Brady but my point is that he isn't what you would consider a mobile QB. He has to slide around and avoid tacklers and that's something he had some problems with. Some on this forum think it may be because he is so focused on the receivers that he doesn't see what's going on around him. That may be the case and if it is he needs to learn that being aware of where the rush is coming from is just as important as where the receivers are. A quick step left or right can buy time but you have to make sure you aren't stepping into the rush. That's a problem that Kap had and he ended up getting sacked a lot even though he had good speed.

Now we have moved from Jimmy G not being mobile in and around the pocket to him being a rushing QB.

Jimmy is not a rushing QB and will never be one. It is not his style. And.... as has been discussed here before Rushing QBs don't last long in the league. We don't want another Kaep. He got worked out too quickly and had no finesse when passing. He is out of the league now for good. Same will happen with Jackson. He wont be around for too long.

Jimmy has lost some mobility due to his ALC but that will come back. What gets me is that he was not up to his optimum mobility this year though some games were better then others. Perhaps some of you don't know is that after an ALC your knee will be better some weeks then others. It takes time for it to settle down completely. It can get swollen when stressed and beaten up. You could see this with Jimmy from time to time.

Now he has some time to let it heal some more and strengthen his legs in the off season. I have no doubt his knee will be better next season and it follows that he will be more mobile.

Film shows he was mobile enough when he needed to be before the ACL. That will come back.



In the second clip commentators are saying how much of a good arm he has. Contradicts a lot of posters on this thread. I go with the commentators.

Originally posted by genus49:

Which applies how when Gore is acting like Jimmy was going up against a weak passing defense?

I'm well aware why our defense wasn't higher ranked and Jimmy's turnovers are a small part of it considering our defense was #2 during his worst turnover stretch and then dropped when we played tougher teams with our beat up defense.

Fact remains the KC passing defense was good all year and made even better when the officials decide to ignore holding in the secondary.

When you're allowed to hold in the secondary, allowed to hit the QB whether it's helmet to helmet at all...you're going to be able to step your game up even if the talent is inferior to what the 49ers had.

If you can run the ball well and you're going up against a horrific rushing attack it goes without saying that they're going to have to load up there and you'll get easier passing opportunities. KC is not a great d overall even if he's being unfair to them. I agree they're not trash but end of the day the plays were there to be made.

Originally posted by genus49:

Which applies how when Gore is acting like Jimmy was going up against a weak passing defense?

I'm well aware why our defense wasn't higher ranked and Jimmy's turnovers are a small part of it considering our defense was #2 during his worst turnover stretch and then dropped when we played tougher teams with our beat up defense.

Fact remains the KC passing defense was good all year and made even better when the officials decide to ignore holding in the secondary.

When you're allowed to hold in the secondary, allowed to hit the QB whether it's helmet to helmet at all...you're going to be able to step your game up even if the talent is inferior to what the 49ers had.

KCs defense was mediocre. They gave up 28+ to any good QB they faced. We put up 20. They got Mathieu and Chris Jones, the rest are nothing more than JAGs.

Defensive stats can be misleading. The Pats weren't a great defense, but stats said they were. Some stats say the 2014 9er defense was good, but it sucked. They should have put up 35+ on that D in the biggest game of their lives, with 2 weeks prep.

Originally posted by 9moon:

we had the game won... I'm not sure why it's hard for everyone to see and admit that..

even Troy Aikman presumed that we will run the ball down their throat... But I do get it, everyone here who LOVES Shanny just wont admit the fact that he blew the game for us...

Everyone's blaming Jimmy not hitting the OPEN receiver on that drive, but I don't recall anyone BLAMING Russell Wilson for throwing that INT in the Super Bowl...

The blame went from the OC to Pete Carroll because the did not run the ball... so, why can't our fans see that it was on SHANNY ??

The Wilson thing was more of a great defensive play/bad play call. For Wilson it was get the look we want, get the snap and let it rip. Butler just read the play and beat the WR to the spot. Great defensive play, and a dumb play to call.

There was no great defense involved for Jimmy. He just flat out missed throws and missed reads. And I do ultimately blame Kyle for blowing this just like you do, but what sucks is that he blew it by putting the ball in Jimmys hands. I really thought that would be the reason we won, but it's why we lost and he does deserve criticism for that.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
KCs defense was mediocre. They gave up 28+ to any good QB they faced. We put up 20. They got Mathieu and Chris Jones, the rest are nothing more than JAGs.

Defensive stats can be misleading. The Pats weren't a great defense, but stats said they were. Some stats say the 2014 9er defense was good, but it sucked. They should have put up 35+ on that D in the biggest game of their lives, with 2 weeks prep.

It wasn't mediocre in the Super Bowl. In fact they stepped it up in the final quarter. Jones was sensational as was their linebackers blasting through our O Line. One would think at time they could have driven a Mac Truck through the A gap without touching any one in our O line. Go watch the tape.

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I just dont think its a guarantee that he will be much improved like some people here are saying he will be. Of course he can, but questioning if his deep ball or mobility will be better, like i have before, is very understandable.

There are no guarantees, however, it is a fact that most players do improve their weaknesses after they have had a full year of game play. To say that one is more likely to fall on one side than the other is to employ a crystal ball that you deny to others.

I would suggest that history tells us it is more likely JG improves than stands still.

Dj, its just not as easy as that. Hes been in the league now for 6 years, this isnt a rookie or 2nd year player. History tells us that most players don't improve after 4 years, they are who they are. Of course thats not always the case, like with Warner. But thats rare.

dude it's not like we're in a situation with Alex Smith where it took him 6-7 years to be even average lol. that's basically the context you're describing. Jimmy played a couple games with the Pats, then a couple with us in 2017/18, then finally a full season. stats look pretty good based off the sample size and playing time.

the fact we have Jimmy for the future should make us excited going forward not worried and scared or concerned lmao

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by 9moon:
... the guy went 6 or 7 and 0 when he was first traded here, and everyone called him the savior..

.. the guy was out last year and some called him a softy bust..

... the guy lead us to the Super Bowl in his first full season, with not much experience, and everyone's b***hin already ??

Can we give him 2 more years before giving him his FINAL GRADE??

, come on Moon, that's a stretch. Yes he played great at times, but one could argue that the team made it to the super bowl despite Jimmy. Let's not forget how the defense carried the team at times.
I won't even bring up the Minn and GB playoff games, those games were won by the defense and running game, then Jimmy.

I agree it's not time for his final grade, but the dude better show up and be twice as good or better when Aug rolls around.

Jimmy literally carried and/or threw the game-winning TD in 5 games this season and we won those games specifically because of him lol.