Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Oh so now their defense is good? Lmao. Good luck fooling anyone into believing that.

Like I said...facts are tough to deal with when they don't fit your narrative huh?

Top 10 defense all season long vs the pass with their best player missing 4 games. Their secondary isn't that great but when you're allowed to hold without any flags being thrown it levels the playing field.

Stop with this "facts" crap. They were not a good defense. Even Chiefs fans will tell you that. Thats how i know you're completely biased.

Considering the Chief fans were on twitter before the game trying to argue their defense was as good as ours?

Whatever you say chief...

Then you got trolled on twitter

Look, this is my honest opinion of Jimmy.

I thought in 17 he looked good, and really good at times. His ACL was a big issue this year, especially with that brace on. Jimmy wasn't Vick, but if you look at his games in 17, he was able to side step rushers and work the pocket much better when there was pressure. Not only that but he also ran for some first downs and threw on the run. His deep ball also looked better. KS protected him a lot more this year because of that.

Hes never gonna have a cannon for an arm and hes not gonna grow and extra 5 inches and be Big Ben in the pocket. But thats why its important he regains his mobility back so he can make up for not being huge or having a cannon. Thats why when I said yestarday that its not a guarantee he will improve and he can stay the same, this is the reason for that. Especially since he still wants to wear that brace, though I hope he changes his mind about that.

If he looks like 17 Jimmy again, its gonna be all good going forward.

Originally posted by 9moon:

... the guy went 6 or 7 and 0 when he was first traded here, and everyone called him the savior..

.. the guy was out last year and some called him a softy bust..

... the guy lead us to the Super Bowl in his first full season, with not much experience, and everyone's b***hin already ??

Can we give him 2 more years before giving him his FINAL GRADE??

Way to go Moon. Nice post.

Originally posted by Kyzen:

, come on Moon, that's a stretch. Yes he played great at times, but one could argue that the team made it to the super bowl despite Jimmy. Let's not forget how the defense carried the team at times.
I won't even bring up the Minn and GB playoff games, those games were won by the defense and running game, then Jimmy.

I agree it's not time for his final grade, but the dude better show up and be twice as good or better when Aug rolls around.

Dude....you've lost all credibility. Not that you started with any. Jimmy single handedly outdueled Brees in New Orleans, and had a phenomenal game in Seattle in the 2 biggest games of the regular season. We don't even make the playoffs without him. Look at 2018! Were a bad team without him. To suggest we won despite him is a level of derp that few reach, even on the Zone.

Any Niner fan that doesn't know better than to follow the idiotic media narrative of Garoppolo not doing anything in the first two playoff games is inexcusable. We were shredding both Minnesota and Green Bay on the ground so badly that passing became unnecessary, and there isnt a QB in league history that wouldve been passing in that situation. Niner fans saw it firsthand.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
KCs defense was mediocre. They gave up 28+ to any good QB they faced. We put up 20. They got Mathieu and Chris Jones, the rest are nothing more than JAGs.

Defensive stats can be misleading. The Pats weren't a great defense, but stats said they were. Some stats say the 2014 9er defense was good, but it sucked. They should have put up 35+ on that D in the biggest game of their lives, with 2 weeks prep.

I'm talking about their passing defense. Which good QB shredded them in the passing game when they had their top guys playing?

Add in the refusal to call any holding, offsides, helmet to helmet hits on a QB and it makes it even easier for them.

The Rams should've put up a lot more than 3 points on the much weaker Pats defense the season prior, how did they do?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

KCs defense was mediocre. They gave up 28+ to any good QB they faced. We put up 20. They got Mathieu and Chris Jones, the rest are nothing more than JAGs.

Defensive stats can be misleading. The Pats weren't a great defense, but stats said they were. Some stats say the 2014 9er defense was good, but it sucked. They should have put up 35+ on that D in the biggest game of their lives, with 2 weeks prep.

I'm talking about their passing defense. Which good QB shredded them in the passing game when they had their top guys playing?

Add in the refusal to call any holding, offsides, helmet to helmet hits on a QB and it makes it even easier for them.

The Rams should've put up a lot more than 3 points on the much weaker Pats defense the season prior, how did they do?

Goodell before the game to the ref crew, "Let them play...unless you know it's the, that other team"

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I just dont think its a guarantee that he will be much improved like some people here are saying he will be. Of course he can, but questioning if his deep ball or mobility will be better, like i have before, is very understandable.

There are no guarantees, however, it is a fact that most players do improve their weaknesses after they have had a full year of game play. To say that one is more likely to fall on one side than the other is to employ a crystal ball that you deny to others.

I would suggest that history tells us it is more likely JG improves than stands still.

Dj, its just not as easy as that. Hes been in the league now for 6 years, this isnt a rookie or 2nd year player. History tells us that most players don't improve after 4 years, they are who they are. Of course thats not always the case, like with Warner. But thats rare.

dude it's not like we're in a situation with Alex Smith where it took him 6-7 years to be even average lol. that's basically the context you're describing. Jimmy played a couple games with the Pats, then a couple with us in 2017/18, then finally a full season. stats look pretty good based off the sample size and playing time.

the fact we have Jimmy for the future should make us excited going forward not worried and scared or concerned lmao

I can't get over how ridiculous it is that so many posters here are citing "6 years in the league" for Jimmy G, and totally ignoring how important it is to actually play in the games. As if a career backup QB for 15 years, who never played in a game, would suddenly be able to be a starter and just sling it. Comedy.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

I just dont think its a guarantee that he will be much improved like some people here are saying he will be. Of course he can, but questioning if his deep ball or mobility will be better, like i have before, is very understandable.

There are no guarantees, however, it is a fact that most players do improve their weaknesses after they have had a full year of game play. To say that one is more likely to fall on one side than the other is to employ a crystal ball that you deny to others.

I would suggest that history tells us it is more likely JG improves than stands still.

Dj, its just not as easy as that. Hes been in the league now for 6 years, this isnt a rookie or 2nd year player. History tells us that most players don't improve after 4 years, they are who they are. Of course thats not always the case, like with Warner. But thats rare.

dude it's not like we're in a situation with Alex Smith where it took him 6-7 years to be even average lol. that's basically the context you're describing. Jimmy played a couple games with the Pats, then a couple with us in 2017/18, then finally a full season. stats look pretty good based off the sample size and playing time.

the fact we have Jimmy for the future should make us excited going forward not worried and scared or concerned lmao

I can't get over how ridiculous it is that so many posters here are citing "6 years in the league" for Jimmy G, and totally ignoring how important it is to actually play in the games. As if a career backup QB for 15 years, who never played in a game, would suddenly be able to be a starter and just sling it. Comedy.

it's the funniest damn comedy show in town.

what about the part where Jimmy has played? what has he done with the time he HAS played. i don't give a s**t how long someone's been in the league.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by 9moon:

... the guy went 6 or 7 and 0 when he was first traded here, and everyone called him the savior..

.. the guy was out last year and some called him a softy bust..

... the guy lead us to the Super Bowl in his first full season, with not much experience, and everyone's b***hin already ??

Can we give him 2 more years before giving him his FINAL GRADE??

, come on Moon, that's a stretch. Yes he played great at times, but one could argue that the team made it to the super bowl despite Jimmy. Let's not forget how the defense carried the team at times.
I won't even bring up the Minn and GB playoff games, those games were won by the defense and running game, then Jimmy.

I agree it's not time for his final grade, but the dude better show up and be twice as good or better when Aug rolls around.

Jimmy literally carried and/or threw the game-winning TD in 5 games this season and we won those games specifically because of him lol.

He played defense too?

If you look at our team from 2018 with Mullens at QB with a lot of the same guys on defense, of course no Bosa or Ford but most of the same guys are there and are record without Jimmy is 4-12. Once he gets back on the field what happens, the offense opens up and we have a QB that throws for almost 4000 yards and almost 30 TDs, numbers we haven't seen since Jeff Garcia was wearing red and gold yet people still complain that it's not enough,then what does the guy do he outduels Drew Brees in New Orleans, has 7 games of 2 or more TDs and helps lead us to a Super Bowl in his first full season. I know we all wanted number 6 here and would be saying things differently if the game came out differently but come on the guy has done a lot so far, let's give him a chance to do more before crucifying him.

Originally posted by philgardis49:
If you look at our team from 2018 with Mullens at QB with a lot of the same guys on defense, of course no Bosa or Ford but most of the same guys are there and are record without Jimmy is 4-12. Once he gets back on the field what happens, the offense opens up and we have a QB that throws for almost 4000 yards and almost 30 TDs, numbers we haven't seen since Jeff Garcia was wearing red and gold yet people still complain that it's not enough,then what does the guy do he outduels Drew Brees in New Orleans, has 7 games of 2 or more TDs and helps lead us to a Super Bowl in his first full season. I know we all wanted number 6 here and would be saying things differently if the game came out differently but come on the guy has done a lot so far, let's give him a chance to do more before crucifying him.

Some of the guys were the same but the defense was completely different. Bosa, Ford and Greenlaw/Alexander made a huge difference and helped AA have his best year ever. Sherman was healthy in 2019 instead of recovering from that achilles injury. Ward played solid all year. Warner wasn't a rookie and played much better. Plus they went to the wide 9 and added a new D line coach. So the defense wasn't anything like it was in 2018.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by philgardis49:
If you look at our team from 2018 with Mullens at QB with a lot of the same guys on defense, of course no Bosa or Ford but most of the same guys are there and are record without Jimmy is 4-12. Once he gets back on the field what happens, the offense opens up and we have a QB that throws for almost 4000 yards and almost 30 TDs, numbers we haven't seen since Jeff Garcia was wearing red and gold yet people still complain that it's not enough,then what does the guy do he outduels Drew Brees in New Orleans, has 7 games of 2 or more TDs and helps lead us to a Super Bowl in his first full season. I know we all wanted number 6 here and would be saying things differently if the game came out differently but come on the guy has done a lot so far, let's give him a chance to do more before crucifying him.

Some of the guys were the same but the defense was completely different. Bosa, Ford and Greenlaw/Alexander made a huge difference and helped AA have his best year ever. Sherman was healthy in 2019 instead of recovering from that achilles injury. Ward played solid all year. Warner wasn't a rookie and played much better. Plus they went to the wide 9 and added a new D line coach. So the defense wasn't anything like it was in 2018.

Your point is accurate but the thing that stands out clear as day is the 2017 situation.

Same roster goes 1-10 without Jimmy and goes 5-0 with him, including beating the Jags D which was just absolutely dismantling QBs that season and anyone who acts like they didn't care because they clinched the playoffs before that game started is full of it.

Hell he didn't even have Garcon who was our best WR that season and then lost Trent Brown at RT after 1/2 starts.

THAT is why I think Jimmy will keep improving. Those 5 games he had a small sample size of our offense, thrown into a team without much time to grow chemistry with any of the receivers and he went out there and took our whole team to another level.

We've seen Jimmy when asked to throw often and if he gets any decent protection where he's not getting hammered non stop and guys don't drop passes left and right that he can shred them. Give the guy time.

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

Originally posted by Kyzen:

Originally posted by 9moon:

... the guy went 6 or 7 and 0 when he was first traded here, and everyone called him the savior..

.. the guy was out last year and some called him a softy bust..

... the guy lead us to the Super Bowl in his first full season, with not much experience, and everyone's b***hin already ??

Can we give him 2 more years before giving him his FINAL GRADE??

, come on Moon, that's a stretch. Yes he played great at times, but one could argue that the team made it to the super bowl despite Jimmy. Let's not forget how the defense carried the team at times.
I won't even bring up the Minn and GB playoff games, those games were won by the defense and running game, then Jimmy.

I agree it's not time for his final grade, but the dude better show up and be twice as good or better when Aug rolls around.

Jimmy literally carried and/or threw the game-winning TD in 5 games this season and we won those games specifically because of him lol.

He played defense too?

So you're saying you didn't watch all the games from last season? nice

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

KCs defense was mediocre. They gave up 28+ to any good QB they faced. We put up 20. They got Mathieu and Chris Jones, the rest are nothing more than JAGs.

Defensive stats can be misleading. The Pats weren't a great defense, but stats said they were. Some stats say the 2014 9er defense was good, but it sucked. They should have put up 35+ on that D in the biggest game of their lives, with 2 weeks prep.

It wasn't mediocre in the Super Bowl. In fact they stepped it up in the final quarter. Jones was sensational as was their linebackers blasting through our O Line. One would think at time they could have driven a Mac Truck through the A gap without touching any one in our O line. Go watch the tape.

This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
KCs defense was mediocre. They gave up 28+ to any good QB they faced. We put up 20. They got Mathieu and Chris Jones, the rest are nothing more than JAGs.

Defensive stats can be misleading. The Pats weren't a great defense, but stats said they were. Some stats say the 2014 9er defense was good, but it sucked. They should have put up 35+ on that D in the biggest game of their lives, with 2 weeks prep.

It wasn't mediocre in the Super Bowl. In fact they stepped it up in the final quarter. Jones was sensational as was their linebackers blasting through our O Line. One would think at time they could have driven a Mac Truck through the A gap without touching any one in our O line. Go watch the tape.

This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

yeah you would've think our o-line would've gotten the memo based off how the refs were calling the game lol

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

It's come to this now huh.