Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Should be exciting to see who they seek out to have next in line. Jalent Hurts? The draft can bring plenty of surprises.

They key is to not get comfortable with what you have. Always be trying to improve.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

It's come to this now huh.

I mean, is that not the truth? When it happened I said it was the best case scenario after not stopping him short of the sticks.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

Bingo. Chris Jones and Frank Clark ripped our O line to shreds in the fourth quarter and Jimmy didn't have the downfield arm strength to get us back in the game and we got trucked. The knock on KC had been their coverage up until they faced us they'd been less than stellar all year

Originally posted by Innovative49:

Should be exciting to see who they seek out to have next in line. Jalent Hurts? The draft can bring plenty of surprises.

They key is to not get comfortable with what you have. Always be trying to improve.

I know and Jacob Eason even dude has a rifle and a pretty deep ball. He can throw better than Jimmy from his knees and he's 6-6" with mobility

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

Bingo. Chris Jones and Frank Clark ripped our O line to shreds in the fourth quarter and Jimmy didn't have the downfield arm strength to get us back in the game and we got trucked. The knock on KC had been their coverage up until they faced us they'd been less than stellar all year

I agree with what you say except the bolded. Jimmy threw that big pass to Saunders. In fact he threw it a little too hard. He has the arm strength to get the team back. What he doesn't have is the O Line to keep opponents at bay long enough to make more deep passes. The fact that he made that long pass to Saunders show he does have the strength to deep pass.

Originally posted by Goatie:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

Bingo. Chris Jones and Frank Clark ripped our O line to shreds in the fourth quarter and Jimmy didn't have the downfield arm strength to get us back in the game and we got trucked. The knock on KC had been their coverage up until they faced us they'd been less than stellar all year

I agree with what you say except the bolded. Jimmy threw that big pass to Saunders. In fact he threw it a little too hard. He has the arm strength to get the team back. What he doesn't have is the O Line to keep opponents at bay long enough to make more deep passes. The fact that he made that long pass to Saunders show he does have the strength to deep pass.

That and the fact that Saleh took the entire 4th quarter off.

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

Bingo. Chris Jones and Frank Clark ripped our O line to shreds in the fourth quarter and Jimmy didn't have the downfield arm strength to get us back in the game and we got trucked. The knock on KC had been their coverage up until they faced us they'd been less than stellar all year

Literally the only pass in the 4th quarter that wasn't batted down or had Jimmy getting hit as he threw it was an overthrow on a deep pass to Sanders and you want to claim Jimmy didn't have the arm strength to get us back into the game?

Just terrific stuff.

What next? He's too handsome to win Championships?

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

I know and Jacob Eason even dude has a rifle and a pretty deep ball. He can throw better than Jimmy from his knees and he's 6-6" with mobility

The only way Jacob Eason is ever considered mobile is when he's riding a scooter.

Originally posted by Goatie:

It wasn't mediocre in the Super Bowl. In fact they stepped it up in the final quarter. Jones was sensational as was their linebackers blasting through our O Line. One would think at time they could have driven a Mac Truck through the A gap without touching any one in our O line. Go watch the tape.

They blitzed us at the end and Kyle truly s*** the bed. Should have run the ball, called a screen, or rolled Jimmy out. In the end Jimmy just kept dropping straight back and we did nothing to counter their pass rush.

But there were a couple chances to seal the game but Jimmy either missed the read or the throw. 2 batted passes should not have doomed us when we had 3 drives to win it.

Originally posted by genus49:

I'm talking about their passing defense. Which good QB shredded them in the passing game when they had their top guys playing?

Add in the refusal to call any holding, offsides, helmet to helmet hits on a QB and it makes it even easier for them.

The Rams should've put up a lot more than 3 points on the much weaker Pats defense the season prior, how did they do?

They ended up with 3 points because Goff s*** the bed all game. Similar situation to us except our QB only s*** the bed in the 4th

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

Yea we played the run well while focusing on the pass. They popped off some extra yards and a TD at the end but that was more about the situation. We don't give up that long TD in a normal situation, but our defense was standing on the field gut punched, realizing they just blew a 10 point lead to lose the SB. I guarantee their focus was not fully on the game at that point.

Originally posted by SkyZer0:

yeah you would've think our o-line would've gotten the memo based off how the refs were calling the game lol

Yeah, after playing Seattle, Benton should just tell his boys to hold at all costs going forward...esp. inside.

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by NCommand:

This. Their defense made plays when it mattered most and another sneaky reason they won, their OL. No holding calls or penalties (fair or not), Mahomes clean (esp. when it mattered most) and their running game averaged 4.4 yards a carry for 129 yards and a 2 TD's. Both units were better.

I agree with the premise of this statement but using this running game stat does not tell the entire story. If Damien Williams falls down after the first down which players are taught to do instead of running into the endzone, that stat you posted turns into 3.4 yards a carry for 98 yards and 1 TD.

Doesnt sound all that good anymore does it?

IIRC, they were roughly at our 40 only up 4 points with 1:30ish to go. We stop them there, no points and there's still a chance. That wasn't a garbage TD IMHO...hence why he didn't just go down.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I just dont think its a guarantee that he will be much improved like some people here are saying he will be. Of course he can, but questioning if his deep ball or mobility will be better, like i have before, is very understandable.

There are no guarantees, however, it is a fact that most players do improve their weaknesses after they have had a full year of game play. To say that one is more likely to fall on one side than the other is to employ a crystal ball that you deny to others.

I would suggest that history tells us it is more likely JG improves than stands still.

Dj, its just not as easy as that. Hes been in the league now for 6 years, this isnt a rookie or 2nd year player. History tells us that most players don't improve after 4 years, they are who they are. Of course thats not always the case, like with Warner. But thats rare.

Playing experience is so different than film and preparation experience, which is where most of Jimmy's NFL experience lies at the moment. I can most likely tell you where a QB should throw the ball while watching film (bird's eye view) but I sure as hell can't do it from behind a live pocket. Jimmy has room to grow in the playing experience category. Once he goes up against a DC multiple times and experiences first hand how they play him, he can use that to improve. Things are just different inside a live pocket that all the film watching in the world cannot simulate.

EXACTLY!! What are these guys even talking about? I am easily one of the most critical long-time 49er fans on any board I've ever been on but JG just finished his first full year as a starter, did it with a knee brace on while recovering from major knee surgery and still helped get the team to the SB but b/c he's been a back-up for most of his 6 years that means he won't improve?? lol That makes no sense. Sitting, watching and talking in preparation to play has it's limits and, as the old saying goes, nothing beats actually doing something to learn and get better. I am a foot and ankle surgeon and, while spending 3 years in residency learning all the different surgical procedures, there is mantra every resident adopts known as "see one, do one, teach one." That means you watch the procedure being done by another dr, you do the next one yourself to learn and solidify the muscle memory for the technique, and then you teach the person behind you how to do it next - the progression of learning is that quick with surgery. JG was in a very unusual position coming into the NFL to sit behind Brady (as opposed to being drafted to be a starter in 1-2 years) and therefore spent 3-4 years on the bench, got traded mid-late season and then blows his knee out 3 weeks into his first season as starter keeping him sidelined for another year so he's done a lot of WATCHING but not a lot of DOING which is where he needs to catch up. That's why it's reasonable and rational to believe he has a very good chance of improving his game. Had he been a starter for 5-6 years then I would agree his chances of improvement are slim to none but that is simply not the case. Obviously, Improvements to the IOL and WR corp will only further his improvement.

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

I just dont think its a guarantee that he will be much improved like some people here are saying he will be. Of course he can, but questioning if his deep ball or mobility will be better, like i have before, is very understandable.

There are no guarantees, however, it is a fact that most players do improve their weaknesses after they have had a full year of game play. To say that one is more likely to fall on one side than the other is to employ a crystal ball that you deny to others.

I would suggest that history tells us it is more likely JG improves than stands still.

Dj, its just not as easy as that. Hes been in the league now for 6 years, this isnt a rookie or 2nd year player. History tells us that most players don't improve after 4 years, they are who they are. Of course thats not always the case, like with Warner. But thats rare.

Playing experience is so different than film and preparation experience, which is where most of Jimmy's NFL experience lies at the moment. I can most likely tell you where a QB should throw the ball while watching film (bird's eye view) but I sure as hell can't do it from behind a live pocket. Jimmy has room to grow in the playing experience category. Once he goes up against a DC multiple times and experiences first hand how they play him, he can use that to improve. Things are just different inside a live pocket that all the film watching in the world cannot simulate.

EXACTLY!! What are these guys even talking about? I am easily one of the most critical long-time 49er fans on any board I've ever been on but JG just finished his first full year as a starter, did it with a knee brace on while recovering from major knee surgery and still helped get the team to the SB but b/c he's been a back-up for most of his 6 years that means he won't improve?? lol That makes no sense. Sitting, watching and talking in preparation to play has it's limits and, as the old saying goes, nothing beats actually doing something to learn and get better. I am a foot and ankle surgeon and, while spending 3 years in residency learning all the different surgical procedures, there is mantra every resident adopts known as "see one, do one, teach one." That means you watch the procedure being done by another dr, you do the next one yourself to learn and solidify the muscle memory for the technique, and then you teach the person behind you how to do it next - the progression of learning is that quick with surgery. JG was in a very unusual position coming into the NFL to sit behind Brady (as opposed to being drafted to be a starter in 1-2 years) and therefore spent 3-4 years on the bench, got traded mid-late season and then blows his knee out 3 weeks into his first season as starter keeping him sidelined for another year so he's done a lot of WATCHING but not a lot of DOING which is where he needs to catch up. That's why it's reasonable and rational to believe he has a very good chance of improving his game. Had he been a starter for 5-6 years then I would agree his chances of improvement are slim to none but that is simply not the case. Obviously, Improvements to the IOL and WR corp will only further his improvement.

I think most are critical of 3 things...

1) Location or lack of it. Our receivers are rarely hit in stride thus killing drives

2) Lack of a deep ball consistently

3) No mobility since ACL let's face it he isn't a hybrid quarterback like Mahomes or Wilson and never will be

Jimmy has so many deficiencies that I cringe when I read homer comments comparing him to Montana and Young. It is what is and his arm is what it is. I'm not saying he's a bum I just think it'll be harder for us to get back with Jimmy next year