Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by genus49:
My mind is blown by some of these posts.

No chit there is no guarantee Jimmy doesn't improve next year. Just like there's no guarantee Patrick Mahomes improves next year.

However if you just use a little logic it will point that a guy who is able to actually spend time working on his game instead of rehabbing from a serious knee injury SHOULD improve.

I just don't get how you can see everything we've seen from Jimmy on this team, use logic and still see a guy who isn't going to improve.

Yes it's possible but I'm not putting money on it.

The differnce is Mahommes is already great. Regular season mvp, SB mvp, all pro, what more do you want lol. Jimmy needs to improve, Pat doesn't.

The point was you can't guarantee any QB improves because despite my post above we cannot tell the future.

You can make logical assumptions based on prior history in similar situations and other conclusions based on the samples we already have.

QBs coming off ACL injuries historically don't have their best seasons.
QBs early in their careers when they've shown anything to be excited about tend to improve with more experience.
QBs who have consistency at the receiver position tend to improve and develop much better timing with those guys.

All the things about Jimmy and his situation point a lot more towards him improving than not.

Mahomes could have his OL suffer serious injuries, lose Kelce and Hill to injury and suddenly not look as good...will your opinion of him change or will you point to those things happening as a reason he wasn't as good?

Mahomes came into a PERFECT scenario for him. Great OL, speed all over the place. A great TE in the passing game and an offense which allows him to do what he does. Do you remember what a lesser version of that offense turned Alex Smith into?

Career highs in TDs, low int, career high in Y/A, AY/A, Y/C, Y/G, QB Rating QBR

That year he was top 10 in the following categories
Cmp%(3)
Yards(8)
TD(9)
Y/A(T2)
AY/A(1)
Y/C(T8)
Y/G(7)
QB Rating(1)
QBR(6)

That's Alex Smith.

Now how was Mahomes looking in that game when he was actually getting hit? Before our DL tired out from getting held all game long? Yet became Mahomes makes his wide open pass to Hill on 3rd and 15 he doesn't need to improve at all but Jimmy can't improve because he missed Sanders on a MUCH tougher throw?

K....

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
Below average? I certainly hoped they were a product of playing weaker teams but their defense stepped up in a big way, aided by the refs allowing them to do whatever the hell they wanted.

They were 7th in points allowed in the NFL. FYI that's better than where our D was at 8th.
They were also 8th in the NFL vs the pass.

So your definition of below average would only be accurate if this was 1940s when there were only like 10 teams in the league.

But hey don't let facts get in the way of your narrative.

If Jimmy wasn't a turnover machine we'd easily have a better scoring d. Amazing how that works. KC's o being 4th in fewest turnovers given up allows for a better scoring d. Our needlessly average turnover rate
weighs our great d down.

But Andy is always gets the most out of his average d's. Credit ti them there because all things considered I agree they can be considered above average. Still they were 17th in yards given up/ 27th in rushing going up against the #2 rushing team. No reason to choke. We moved the ball with ease all game long and just didn't deliver in the end.

we had the game won... I'm not sure why it's hard for everyone to see and admit that..

even Troy Aikman presumed that we will run the ball down their throat... But I do get it, everyone here who LOVES Shanny just wont admit the fact that he blew the game for us...

Everyone's blaming Jimmy not hitting the OPEN receiver on that drive, but I don't recall anyone BLAMING Russell Wilson for throwing that INT in the Super Bowl...

The blame went from the OC to Pete Carroll because the did not run the ball... so, why can't our fans see that it was on SHANNY ??

Agreed, JG definitely choked the last half of the 4th qtr but we can excuse that away based on his lack of experience and possibly being concussed after that helmet shot.

As the HC and offensive play caller, KS doesn't get off that easy. His game plan was anemic from the start which allowed the Chiefs
to hang around and the refs to influence the game. His failure to get his offensive stars involved early and often and drop a lot of points on Spags average D was completely inexcusable. Mr. offensive "genius" looked like everything but and squarely planted the monkey on his back as a SB choker. Majority of blame is on him so I hope he has a long off-season chat with Daddy about how to quickly demoralize an opponent and close out a SB properly ala Walsh and Siefert.

Originally posted by BriRichardson:
I think most are critical of 3 things...

1) Location or lack of it. Our receivers are rarely hit in stride thus killing drives

2) Lack of a deep ball consistently

3) No mobility since ACL let's face it he isn't a hybrid quarterback like Mahomes or Wilson and never will be

Jimmy has so many deficiencies that I cringe when I read homer comments comparing him to Montana and Young. It is what is and his arm is what it is. I'm not saying he's a bum I just think it'll be harder for us to get back with Jimmy next year

Totally agree with those three. I will say that #1 is totally on him, the guy needs to tighten up his passes in a big way next season. Part of #2 is KS's fault for not
askingJG to make those throws consistently in real games. He can't hand the ball off and dink-n-dunk almost the entire time and then be expected to throw deep bombs for TDs in critical moments. He's too inexperienced and not given those opportunities enough during the regular season. #3 was the result of his blown ACL and the brace but I agree he was never and will never be a mobile qb. However, I'll also say he doesn't have to be a mobile hybrid to be successful either. QBs like Montana, Young, Favre, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc all had amazing careers despite being pocket passers (ok, I admit Young was mobile but he was a proficient pocket passer and was nowhere near what we call a hybrid qb nowadays. He also consistently states that in order for qbs to be successful in the NFL they MUST become proficient pocket passers.

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

I think most are critical of 3 things...

1) Location or lack of it. Our receivers are rarely hit in stride thus killing drives

2) Lack of a deep ball consistently

3) No mobility since ACL let's face it he isn't a hybrid quarterback like Mahomes or Wilson and never will be

Jimmy has so many deficiencies that I cringe when I read homer comments comparing him to Montana and Young. It is what is and his arm is what it is. I'm not saying he's a bum I just think it'll be harder for us to get back with Jimmy next year

Totally agree with those three. I will say that #1 is totally on him, the guy needs to tighten up his passes in a big way next season. Part of #2 is not asking
JG to make those throws consistently in real games. He can't hand the ball off and dink-n-dunk almost the entire time and then be expected to throw deep bombs for TDs in critical moments. He's too inexperienced and not given those opportunities enough during the regular season. #3 was the result of his blown ACL and the brace but I agree he was never and will never be a mobile qb. However, I'll also say he doesn't have to be a mobile hybrid to be successful either. QBs like Montana, Young, Favre, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, etc all had amazing careers despite being pocket passers (ok, I admit Young was mobile but he was a proficient pocket passer and was nowhere near what we call a hybrid qb nowadays. He also consistently states that in order for qbs to be successful in the NFL they MUST become proficient pocket passers.

And there's nothing wrong with dink and dunk until you actually have to throw the ball down the field to consistently be in games. All 3 of the other teams in our division are in position to improve although the Rams with uncertainty about Gurley and other positions might regress more

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I just dont think its a guarantee that he will be much improved like some people here are saying he will be. Of course he can, but questioning if his deep ball or mobility will be better, like i have before, is very understandable.

There are no guarantees, however, it is a fact that most players do improve their weaknesses after they have had a full year of game play. To say that one is more likely to fall on one side than the other is to employ a crystal ball that you deny to others.

I would suggest that history tells us it is more likely JG improves than stands still.

Dj, its just not as easy as that. Hes been in the league now for 6 years, this isnt a rookie or 2nd year player. History tells us that most players don't improve after 4 years, they are who they are. Of course thats not always the case, like with Warner. But thats rare.

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Playing experience is so different than film and preparation experience, which is where most of Jimmy's NFL experience lies at the moment. I can most likely tell you where a QB should throw the ball while watching film (bird's eye view) but I sure as hell can't do it from behind a live pocket. Jimmy has room to grow in the playing experience category. Once he goes up against a DC multiple times and experiences first hand how they play him, he can use that to improve. Things are just different inside a live pocket that all the film watching in the world cannot simulate.

EXACTLY!! What are these guys even talking about? I am easily one of the most critical long-time 49er fans on any board I've ever been on but JG just finished his first full year as a starter, did it with a knee brace on while recovering from major knee surgery and still helped get the team to the SB but b/c he's been a back-up for most of his 6 years that means he won't improve?? lol That makes no sense. Sitting, watching and talking in preparation to play has it's limits and, as the old saying goes, nothing beats actually doing something to learn and get better. I am a foot and ankle surgeon and, while spending 3 years in residency learning all the different surgical procedures, there is mantra every resident adopts known as "see one, do one, teach one." That means you watch the procedure being done by another dr, you do the next one yourself to learn and solidify the muscle memory for the technique, and then you teach the person behind you how to do it next - the progression of learning is that quick with surgery. JG was in a very unusual position coming into the NFL to sit behind Brady (as opposed to being drafted to be a starter in 1-2 years) and therefore spent 3-4 years on the bench, got traded mid-late season and then blows his knee out 3 weeks into his first season as starter keeping him sidelined for another year so he's done a lot of WATCHING but not a lot of DOING which is where he needs to catch up. That's why it's reasonable and rational to believe he has a very good chance of improving his game. Had he been a starter for 5-6 years then I would agree his chances of improvement are slim to none but that is simply not the case. Obviously, Improvements to the IOL and WR corp will only further his improvement.

I think most are critical of 3 things...

1) Location or lack of it. Our receivers are rarely hit in stride thus killing drives

2) Lack of a deep ball consistently

3) No mobility since ACL let's face it he isn't a hybrid quarterback like Mahomes or Wilson and never will be

Jimmy has so many deficiencies that I cringe when I read homer comments comparing him to Montana and Young. It is what is and his arm is what it is. I'm not saying he's a bum I just think it'll be harder for us to get back with Jimmy next year

1 << almost 4K passing yds and 27 passing tds in a run heavy offense and he can't locate his receivers (see video below and tell me if this really is a problem).

2 << According to one stat, Garoppolo has a 97.7 passer rating on throws which travel 16 or more yards in the air, the best figure in the league. Playerprofiler.com has calculated that Garoppolo's completion percentage of 55.6 percent is the best in the NFL on passes of 20 or more yards in the air. So what tells you he sucks with the deep ball or that he's not throwing it enough? If the latter isn't that on Shanny? And do we really need numerous deep ball passes to win games considering how this team is currently built?

3. << Really? What does he'll never be like Mahomes or Wilson and how mobile they are have to do with anything? So you want a mobile QB who can escape the pocket and run for a first down guaranteed. That's a luxury most teams don't have. There's only a few QB's who can do this more often than not. Jimmy just came off an ACL tear and was wearing a brace and he broke a few this past year for running first downs. He'll be even more comfortable with his mobility two years removed from surgery.

JG isn't Wilson-mobile, but he isn't a statue either. He's made countless plays scrambling laterally.

I don't understand why some say we can't get back the Super Bowl again with JG as our quarterback. That makes no sense.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

JG isn't Wilson-mobile, but he isn't a statue either. He's made countless plays scrambling laterally.

I don't understand why some say we can't get back the Super Bowl again with JG as our quarterback. That makes no sense.

Agreed. It's a stupid comment. Unless we get a tidal wave of injuries or bad luck I think we have every chance of returning to the playoffs this year. Beyond that, it's too early to comment.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Goatie:
It wasn't mediocre in the Super Bowl. In fact they stepped it up in the final quarter. Jones was sensational as was their linebackers blasting through our O Line. One would think at time they could have driven a Mac Truck through the A gap without touching any one in our O line. Go watch the tape.

They blitzed us at the end and Kyle truly s*** the bed. Should have run the ball, called a screen, or rolled Jimmy out. In the end Jimmy just kept dropping straight back and we did nothing to counter their pass rush.

But there were a couple chances to seal the game but Jimmy either missed the read or the throw. 2 batted passes should not have doomed us when we had 3 drives to win it.

Which reads did he miss?

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by SteveYoung8:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by TheGore49er:
I just dont think its a guarantee that he will be much improved like some people here are saying he will be. Of course he can, but questioning if his deep ball or mobility will be better, like i have before, is very understandable.

There are no guarantees, however, it is a fact that most players do improve their weaknesses after they have had a full year of game play. To say that one is more likely to fall on one side than the other is to employ a crystal ball that you deny to others.

I would suggest that history tells us it is more likely JG improves than stands still.

Dj, its just not as easy as that. Hes been in the league now for 6 years, this isnt a rookie or 2nd year player. History tells us that most players don't improve after 4 years, they are who they are. Of course thats not always the case, like with Warner. But thats rare.

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Playing experience is so different than film and preparation experience, which is where most of Jimmy's NFL experience lies at the moment. I can most likely tell you where a QB should throw the ball while watching film (bird's eye view) but I sure as hell can't do it from behind a live pocket. Jimmy has room to grow in the playing experience category. Once he goes up against a DC multiple times and experiences first hand how they play him, he can use that to improve. Things are just different inside a live pocket that all the film watching in the world cannot simulate.

EXACTLY!! What are these guys even talking about? I am easily one of the most critical long-time 49er fans on any board I've ever been on but JG just finished his first full year as a starter, did it with a knee brace on while recovering from major knee surgery and still helped get the team to the SB but b/c he's been a back-up for most of his 6 years that means he won't improve?? lol That makes no sense. Sitting, watching and talking in preparation to play has it's limits and, as the old saying goes, nothing beats actually doing something to learn and get better. I am a foot and ankle surgeon and, while spending 3 years in residency learning all the different surgical procedures, there is mantra every resident adopts known as "see one, do one, teach one." That means you watch the procedure being done by another dr, you do the next one yourself to learn and solidify the muscle memory for the technique, and then you teach the person behind you how to do it next - the progression of learning is that quick with surgery. JG was in a very unusual position coming into the NFL to sit behind Brady (as opposed to being drafted to be a starter in 1-2 years) and therefore spent 3-4 years on the bench, got traded mid-late season and then blows his knee out 3 weeks into his first season as starter keeping him sidelined for another year so he's done a lot of WATCHING but not a lot of DOING which is where he needs to catch up. That's why it's reasonable and rational to believe he has a very good chance of improving his game. Had he been a starter for 5-6 years then I would agree his chances of improvement are slim to none but that is simply not the case. Obviously, Improvements to the IOL and WR corp will only further his improvement.

I think most are critical of 3 things...

1) Location or lack of it. Our receivers are rarely hit in stride thus killing drives

2) Lack of a deep ball consistently

3) No mobility since ACL let's face it he isn't a hybrid quarterback like Mahomes or Wilson and never will be

Jimmy has so many deficiencies that I cringe when I read homer comments comparing him to Montana and Young. It is what is and his arm is what it is. I'm not saying he's a bum I just think it'll be harder for us to get back with Jimmy next year

SMH...

The bold stands out as the worst take but the whole post reeks of trolling or ignorance...you pick.

Jimmy was the best QB in the NFL last season in keeping drives moving passing the ball on 3rd down and top 5 I believe in comp % but you think his location is awful and he rarely hit his receivers in stride and killed drives frequently(by definition or rarely getting it done?)

Lack of deep ball consistently? WTF does that even mean?

Jimmy is far from perfect and has things he needs to improve on but this post is just trash. I'm sorry...

People are just spoiled by what we had in Montana and Young, so if Jimmy can't produce exactly like them then obviously he has to be trash right (insert sarcasm). But what are we going to do then, trade for a 43 year old Brady who if he gets us a Super Bowl this coming year would probably retire since he got a ring with his hometown team. Then we would have no QB and because of draft position the ones we could get in the draft wouldn't be the best. In my opinion even if you got lucky with a QB in the draft it's at least a 2 year learning process for the system so we probably won't be going to the playoffs for a couple of years unless the defense can carry us but no way do we even sniff a Super Bowl for at least 3 more years.

Originally posted by philgardis49:

People are just spoiled by what we had in Montana and Young, so if Jimmy can't produce exactly like them then obviously he has to be trash right (insert sarcasm). But what are we going to do then, trade for a 43 year old Brady who if he gets us a Super Bowl this coming year would probably retire since he got a ring with his hometown team. Then we would have no QB and because of draft position the ones we could get in the draft wouldn't be the best. In my opinion even if you got lucky with a QB in the draft it's at least a 2 year learning process for the system so we probably won't be going to the playoffs for a couple of years unless the defense can carry us but no way do we even sniff a Super Bowl for at least 3 more years.

That's why we draft Eason as our future. He's got a cannon for an arm and throws an absolutely majestic deep ball.

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

I think most are critical of 3 things...

1) Location or lack of it. Our receivers are rarely hit in stride thus killing drives

2) Lack of a deep ball consistently

3) No mobility since ACL let's face it he isn't a hybrid quarterback like Mahomes or Wilson and never will be

Jimmy has so many deficiencies that I cringe when I read homer comments comparing him to Montana and Young. It is what is and his arm is what it is. I'm not saying he's a bum I just think it'll be harder for us to get back with Jimmy next year

1. 70% completion rate
2. Had highest Comp % for deep passes this year. Just wasn't asked to to throw deep often.
3. Nope, he doesn't run around like mohomes or wilson.

So I call b******t on your entire post.

Looks to me you want a Kap back or a deep ball offense to stretch the field vertically.. did you know that isn't what Kyle S is running..

Apparently not.

Watch some of the 2019 49er games. Pretty entertaining to say the least.

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by philgardis49:

People are just spoiled by what we had in Montana and Young, so if Jimmy can't produce exactly like them then obviously he has to be trash right (insert sarcasm). But what are we going to do then, trade for a 43 year old Brady who if he gets us a Super Bowl this coming year would probably retire since he got a ring with his hometown team. Then we would have no QB and because of draft position the ones we could get in the draft wouldn't be the best. In my opinion even if you got lucky with a QB in the draft it's at least a 2 year learning process for the system so we probably won't be going to the playoffs for a couple of years unless the defense can carry us but no way do we even sniff a Super Bowl for at least 3 more years.

That's why we draft Eason as our future. He's got a cannon for an arm and throws an absolutely majestic deep ball.

That's not Kyle S's offense he is running.
But obviously your not understanding the basics.

Yea get rid of a franchise QB...
LMAO
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Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by philgardis49:

People are just spoiled by what we had in Montana and Young, so if Jimmy can't produce exactly like them then obviously he has to be trash right (insert sarcasm). But what are we going to do then, trade for a 43 year old Brady who if he gets us a Super Bowl this coming year would probably retire since he got a ring with his hometown team. Then we would have no QB and because of draft position the ones we could get in the draft wouldn't be the best. In my opinion even if you got lucky with a QB in the draft it's at least a 2 year learning process for the system so we probably won't be going to the playoffs for a couple of years unless the defense can carry us but no way do we even sniff a Super Bowl for at least 3 more years.

That's why we draft Eason as our future. He's got a cannon for an arm and throws an absolutely majestic deep ball.

Lynch already said Garoppolo is the guy, because hes a smart GM with common sense and the ability to reason. Unlike some posters.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by BriRichardson:

Originally posted by philgardis49:

People are just spoiled by what we had in Montana and Young, so if Jimmy can't produce exactly like them then obviously he has to be trash right (insert sarcasm). But what are we going to do then, trade for a 43 year old Brady who if he gets us a Super Bowl this coming year would probably retire since he got a ring with his hometown team. Then we would have no QB and because of draft position the ones we could get in the draft wouldn't be the best. In my opinion even if you got lucky with a QB in the draft it's at least a 2 year learning process for the system so we probably won't be going to the playoffs for a couple of years unless the defense can carry us but no way do we even sniff a Super Bowl for at least 3 more years.

That's why we draft Eason as our future. He's got a cannon for an arm and throws an absolutely majestic deep ball.

That's not Kyle S's offense he is running.
But obviously your not understanding the basics.

Yea get rid of a franchise QB...
LMAO
Clown posts

Get Brady for a one year rental to make it 6 rings and draft Eason as a one year understudy. Brady can still locate his balls in other words he doesn't drill a 3 yard slant in our receiver's earhole. You think Kyle ran the same offense in Atlanta or did he throw the ball downfield with Matty Ice?