Jimmy Garoppolo, QB, Los Angeles Rams

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ninerFate:

If Trey Lance is as good as advertised then he won't be much cheaper either. Gonna be alot of teams who likely want to upgrade their QBs too ie Raiders, Eagles, Colts etc. and could trade up. Lance will likely go top 10-15, but who knows QBs have dropped in the draft like Watson and Lamar.

The fact that people think the Raiders and Eagles are in a position to want to upgrade their QB, and then Jimmy fans flip out at the slightest hint of the idea of upgrading our QB position speaks volumes about the amount of homerism going on here.

Jimmy is a fine QB. But I have been saying this for decades.....if you dont have an elite/franchise QB, you should be looking for one.

Fans act like finding "elite/franchise QBs" is like picking up milk at the grocery store after having garbage this whole century . Ask Giants fans how that worked out when they forced Eli Manning to retire. You don't need a top 3 QB to win a super bowl. Jimmy is a top 10 QB in the league, don't tell me Dak Prescott, Carson Wentz, or Kirk Cousins is better.

You cant use this line of reasoning if a team isnt even trying to find the QB. I understand how difficult it is to hit on an elite QB. But if you arent even making an effort, you cant say that "they are hard to find." That is nothing more than an excuse.

And for the record, Mahomes, Jackson and Watson were all passed on. So you and other fans can continue to cling onto this notion that its really hard to find a franchise QB, but we passed on 3 in the last few years.

Lol
Ok so Jackson & Watson are elite now.

Originally posted by SD49er:

This thread has gone off the rails. Jimmy has one bad game against the Cardinals and all the sudden people are comparing him to Alex Smith and talking about Foles or Trubiski being better than him?! The expectations of 49ers fans are so unrealistic to the point where the fan base wants to dump a franchise qb with the hope of drafting the next Mahomes, which is insane. Look around the league at young quarterbacks. Jackson, Watson, Murray, Dak, Josh Allen, Minshew, Wentz, Cousins, Carr, Darnold, Stafford, and Mayfield has literally done squat in this league. I would not trade Jimmy for any of these guys based on the play I have seen from Jimmy. Goff and Ryan made it to super bowls, and have shown the ability, but Ryan is getting old and Goff is completely reliant on a run game. Even Mahomes played terrible in the super bowl. If it wasn't for an atrocious non call on Bosa on the Hill third down play the Chief's get skunked. People act like Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers have been perfect. These guys collectively have blown so many playoff games. People talk about Rodgers being the greatest talent ever (before Mahomes) and the guy won one super bowl. It took Russel Wilson years to develop into the QB he is today. The grass is very rarely greener when you have a QB who can actually play. Jimmy put up legit franchise numbers in his first full year, leads the league in fourth quarter wins, plays amazing on third down, and takes the team to the SB, but people are like "not good enough." This is crazy to me. Even Greg Cosell, who does a fantastic job evaluating QBs, really likes Jimmy. If we dump Jimmy, he will go to the Bears or Patriots and compete for a SB every year and we will all wish he was back on our team.

Talent wise he's very comparable to Alex Smith, you know the guy that was the #1 draft pick at one point?

It was never meant to be a dis or anything....I didn't realize ya'll would still be so triggered over all of that. With a good OC and solid roster Jimmy and Alex will win you a lot of games. That's NOT a bad thing.

I'm sorry you're being a homer if you wouldn't trade Jimmy for Watson, Dak, wentz, or even Allen at this point. Listen I like Jimmy as much as the next Niner fan but for the love of god let's be objective here.

Did you watch Cosell talk about Jimmy after the SB? Apparently not with that comment you said...Jimmy is a good QB he's gotta dial it up a notch this yr....if not what are you doing letting him play out his contract? Giving him an extension?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SD49er:
This thread has gone off the rails. Jimmy has one bad game against the Cardinals and all the sudden people are comparing him to Alex Smith and talking about Foles or Trubiski being better than him?! The expectations of 49ers fans are so unrealistic to the point where the fan base wants to dump a franchise qb with the hope of drafting the next Mahomes, which is insane. Look around the league at young quarterbacks. Jackson, Watson, Murray, Dak, Josh Allen, Minshew, Wentz, Cousins, Carr, Darnold, Stafford, and Mayfield has literally done squat in this league. I would not trade Jimmy for any of these guys based on the play I have seen from Jimmy. Goff and Ryan made it to super bowls, and have shown the ability, but Ryan is getting old and Goff is completely reliant on a run game. Even Mahomes played terrible in the super bowl. If it wasn't for an atrocious non call on Bosa on the Hill third down play the Chief's get skunked. People act like Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers have been perfect. These guys collectively have blown so many playoff games. People talk about Rodgers being the greatest talent ever (before Mahomes) and the guy won one super bowl. It took Russel Wilson years to develop into the QB he is today. The grass is very rarely greener when you have a QB who can actually play. Jimmy put up legit franchise numbers in his first full year, leads the league in fourth quarter wins, plays amazing on third down, and takes the team to the SB, but people are like "not good enough." This is crazy to me. Even Greg Cosell, who does a fantastic job evaluating QBs, really likes Jimmy. If we dump Jimmy, he will go to the Bears or Patriots and compete for a SB every year and we will all wish he was back on our team.

I agree on some of the QBs you list but Stafford isn't young so he doesn't belong on the list.Josh Allen and Kyler Murray are only in their secondyear but have a much bigger upside than JG. People keep saying that JG needs more time. I think you need to give Murrsy and Allen more time since they're both younger with less experience. I agree on the others except maybe Watson.

I agree that Murray and Allen are both young. I disagree with the upside comment however. Neither Allen nor Murray are close to being the pocket QBs Jimmy already is. Both Murray and Allen rely entirely too much on their athletic ability. I've watched a lot of Murray, and some of Allen, and Murray has a long way to go as a passer. I would not put Murray anywhere near the top echelon of QBs until he proves he was win from the pocket. Both deserve time to develop, but from what I've seen so far, I want Jimmy over both this year and the immediate future.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Lol
Ok so Jackson & Watson are elite now.

I'll take Watson over Jimmy every day and twice on Sundays. Let's be real here.

Bill O'Brien is one of the worst coaches in football imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BumCity:
There's truly no worse position for a franchise to be in than a perennial wild card/divisional round loser with no chance of taking the next step. KC found a way to rescue themselves from that, but a lot of franchises don't.

What exactly would the Bears gain from trading for Jimmy? The opportunity to go 8-8 every year? If I were them I'd rather draft a QB again, because at least then there's a chance on landing a great QB.

b******t...there's nothing worse than being a horrible franchise that is never truly competitive and hasn't had a QB for decades. All you can do is fight to make the playoffs and then things can go in multiple directions. Teams like the Giants/Raven and eagles can get hot and win it all...Teams like the Falcons and SF can lose it just as easily. Even the Pats. It's hard to make it to the playoffs let alone win a SB.

Yeah and they sure know how to draft QBs hahahaha...how do you know they would go 8-8? That's pure speculation based on a bias take on how YOU feel about Jimmy G, BUT in reality he's 22-6 as a starter completed 68% of his balls and throw for 48TDs and over 7,300 yards. He's a GOOD QB. Naggy is a good play-caller but has a bunch of bums playing QB.

It's all pure speculation and highly unlikely, but the Bears IMO would LOVE to have the hometown kid who would bring at the very least stability to the position they've been looking to get right for decades.

If jimmy improves even in the slightest, SF wouldn't even entertain a trade offer unless it was something stupid.

I'd much rather be a losing franchise with the chance of turning things around than be stuck as a mid-tier team, but I guess that's just a matter of taste. I'd much rather be the 49ers from 2014-2019 than the Chiefs from 2013-2017.

And you're the one saying we should trade Jimmy to the Bears. If he's as great as you say and not the occasionally good, but highly inconsistent and flawed QB that I see him to be, then why would you want to trade him in the first place?

Also, Jimmy's stats as a starter almost all came with Shanahan as his coach. Name one QB that wasn't worse after Shanny stopped being their coach. There are tons of examples of QBs who never reached the same heights once Shanahan left, but I can't think of any that got better. If Jimmy leaves here, he's not going to be as good as he is now and in this scenario, his level of play got him traded.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by thl408:
Oh it's actually shaping up to be a bit different today. Yesterday was Jimmy vs Alex Smith. Looks like today is Jimmy vs Nick Foles.

It's Jimmy Vs the world right now

Lots of things are going to s**t right now so I'll go with Jimmy > The World.

Eat, Jimmy

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by thl408:

Oh it's actually shaping up to be a bit different today. Yesterday was Jimmy vs Alex Smith. Looks like today is Jimmy vs Nick Foles.

It's Jimmy Vs the world right now

Lots of things are going to s**t right now so I'll go with Jimmy > The World.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Lol
Ok so Jackson & Watson are elite now.

I'll take Watson over Jimmy every day and twice on Sundays. Let's be real here.

Bill O'Brien is one of the worst coaches in football imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SD49er:
This thread has gone off the rails. Jimmy has one bad game against the Cardinals and all the sudden people are comparing him to Alex Smith and talking about Foles or Trubiski being better than him?! The expectations of 49ers fans are so unrealistic to the point where the fan base wants to dump a franchise qb with the hope of drafting the next Mahomes, which is insane. Look around the league at young quarterbacks. Jackson, Watson, Murray, Dak, Josh Allen, Minshew, Wentz, Cousins, Carr, Darnold, Stafford, and Mayfield has literally done squat in this league. I would not trade Jimmy for any of these guys based on the play I have seen from Jimmy. Goff and Ryan made it to super bowls, and have shown the ability, but Ryan is getting old and Goff is completely reliant on a run game. Even Mahomes played terrible in the super bowl. If it wasn't for an atrocious non call on Bosa on the Hill third down play the Chief's get skunked. People act like Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers have been perfect. These guys collectively have blown so many playoff games. People talk about Rodgers being the greatest talent ever (before Mahomes) and the guy won one super bowl. It took Russel Wilson years to develop into the QB he is today. The grass is very rarely greener when you have a QB who can actually play. Jimmy put up legit franchise numbers in his first full year, leads the league in fourth quarter wins, plays amazing on third down, and takes the team to the SB, but people are like "not good enough." This is crazy to me. Even Greg Cosell, who does a fantastic job evaluating QBs, really likes Jimmy. If we dump Jimmy, he will go to the Bears or Patriots and compete for a SB every year and we will all wish he was back on our team.

Talent wise he's very comparable to Alex Smith, you know the guy that was the #1 draft pick at one point?

It was never meant to be a dis or anything....I didn't realize ya'll would still be so triggered over all of that. With a good OC and solid roster Jimmy and Alex will win you a lot of games. That's NOT a bad thing.

I'm sorry you're being a homer if you wouldn't trade Jimmy for Watson, Dak, wentz, or even Allen at this point. Listen I like Jimmy as much as the next Niner fan but for the love of god let's be objective here.

Did you watch Cosell talk about Jimmy after the SB? Apparently not with that comment you said...Jimmy is a good QB he's gotta dial it up a notch this yr....if not what are you doing letting him play out his contract? Giving him an extension?

I appreciate your position. We just disagree on Jimmy's level of talent. I don't see the Alex comp at all, and I really like Alex as a person and as a player as his career progressed. Alex was better with the Chiefs than anytime with the niners. But Alex's talent level never reached what I have already seen Jimmy do. I only care about the team winning, I have no personal allegiance to Jimmy. Jimmy did not play well in the super bowl, especially late (I believe he was concussed). But I think people really over inflate the value of the QBs you reference. I like Watson, Dak, Wentz, and Allen (I like Watson the most). Wentz injury history is concerning, and Foles won with the best team Wentz ever had. Watson and Allen hold the ball too long, don't read defenses as well, don't go through progressions as well, and rely too much on their athletic ability. Dak has never won a big game when it mattered. To me it would be a downgrade for bring in any of these QBs. I expect Jimmy to keep playing better. It's also the teams job to try and upgrade every position, including QB. I just think fans often have a wondering eye and wonder what if. Again, if Jimmy plays the way he did against AZ moving forward, then I will come over to your side. I just like too much of what I've seen from Jimmy to start talking about wanting a new QB.

Originally posted by BumCity:

I'd much rather be a losing franchise with the chance of turning things around than be stuck as a mid-tier team, but I guess that's just a matter of taste. I'd much rather be the 49ers from 2014-2019 than the Chiefs from 2013-2017.
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...you're on an island with that take and the only reason you're saying that it's because of the context of this convo.

Originally posted by BumCity:

And you're the one saying we should trade Jimmy to the Bears. If he's as great as you say and not the occasionally good, but highly inconsistent and flawed QB that I see him to be, then why would you want to trade him in the first place?
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Holy s**t did you not read a single post I wrote in here the last 24hrs? Where did I say he was great???! I said he's a good QB that knows how to win games (much like Smith) He's on a team controlled deal AND for a team such as the bears who just need a GOOD QB to be competitive, it's not that hard to get.

He fits Naggy's scheme...Pace and Naggy aren't exactly crushing it and their jobs aren't rock solid... If you can bring in a guy that can make your team competitive, help you win games, & is a hometown kid that might just save their jobs. At this point they have f**king nothing. And don't give me that Nick Foles garbage.

My points as far as trading him are we have a great HC who's gonna be here LT. We have a more than capable backup that can be tendered (bridge qb). We can save a lot of money to resign a ton of players. We can AFFORD to take a chance on a high upside rookie and even let him sit for a yr....same s**t as KC did.

The Bears and that's coaching staff/FO can NOT afford to do the same...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SD49er:
This thread has gone off the rails. Jimmy has one bad game against the Cardinals and all the sudden people are comparing him to Alex Smith and talking about Foles or Trubiski being better than him?! The expectations of 49ers fans are so unrealistic to the point where the fan base wants to dump a franchise qb with the hope of drafting the next Mahomes, which is insane. Look around the league at young quarterbacks. Jackson, Watson, Murray, Dak, Josh Allen, Minshew, Wentz, Cousins, Carr, Darnold, Stafford, and Mayfield has literally done squat in this league. I would not trade Jimmy for any of these guys based on the play I have seen from Jimmy. Goff and Ryan made it to super bowls, and have shown the ability, but Ryan is getting old and Goff is completely reliant on a run game. Even Mahomes played terrible in the super bowl. If it wasn't for an atrocious non call on Bosa on the Hill third down play the Chief's get skunked. People act like Brees, Rodgers, and Rivers have been perfect. These guys collectively have blown so many playoff games. People talk about Rodgers being the greatest talent ever (before Mahomes) and the guy won one super bowl. It took Russel Wilson years to develop into the QB he is today. The grass is very rarely greener when you have a QB who can actually play. Jimmy put up legit franchise numbers in his first full year, leads the league in fourth quarter wins, plays amazing on third down, and takes the team to the SB, but people are like "not good enough." This is crazy to me. Even Greg Cosell, who does a fantastic job evaluating QBs, really likes Jimmy. If we dump Jimmy, he will go to the Bears or Patriots and compete for a SB every year and we will all wish he was back on our team.

Talent wise he's very comparable to Alex Smith, you know the guy that was the #1 draft pick at one point?

It was never meant to be a dis or anything....I didn't realize ya'll would still be so triggered over all of that. With a good OC and solid roster Jimmy and Alex will win you a lot of games. That's NOT a bad thing.

I'm sorry you're being a homer if you wouldn't trade Jimmy for Watson, Dak, wentz, or even Allen at this point. Listen I like Jimmy as much as the next Niner fan but for the love of god let's be objective here.

Did you watch Cosell talk about Jimmy after the SB? Apparently not with that comment you said...Jimmy is a good QB he's gotta dial it up a notch this yr....if not what are you doing letting him play out his contract? Giving him an extension?

Look, you can have your opinion but don't resort to name-calling like you did towards this poster ("I'm sorry you're being a homer"...really?). This poster put up a good post and listed some QBs he wouldn't trade for Garoppolo - I'm assuming the context was for this scheme and what Shanahan wants to do. I wouldn't trade any of the above for him, either, in running this scheme and in doing what Shanahan wants to do at QB combined with with all of the talent & traits Garoppolo has shown so far and will continue to improve upon in my opinion.

If you're just looking at it from a standpoint of, "Who would you start a franchise with right now if given all the above QBs as options", well, that's another thing entirely and it would require some thought. To me, though, that's not what we're talking about here - we're talking about this team and this scheme under Shanahan.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BumCity:
And found themselves stuck in a cycle of inescapable mediocrity that was only broken when they lucked out and Mahomes fell far enough to where they could trade up for him. There is no point in trading for a slightly above average QB unless you seriously believe he has the potential to grow into a elite QB. If you don't have an elite top 5-10 QB, then you should be doing whatever you can to acquire one. There's no point in having anything less.

GTFO mediocrity lol.

They won 53 games in the 5 seasons Smith was there. They went to the playoffs 4 of the 5 seasons he was a starter...there isn't a team/fan base in the league that would call that mediocre.

Yeah you're right good football players NEVER get traded, especially when they have jack s**t at that position and haven't for over 3 decades lol

I mean....if my team won 53 games in 5 years and we won 1 playoff game, I'd want heads to roll.

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by Aj_hwd954:

Originally posted by SteveWallacesHelmet:

Originally posted by ninerFate:
If Trey Lance is as good as advertised then he won't be much cheaper either. Gonna be alot of teams who likely want to upgrade their QBs too ie Raiders, Eagles, Colts etc. and could trade up. Lance will likely go top 10-15, but who knows QBs have dropped in the draft like Watson and Lamar.

The fact that people think the Raiders and Eagles are in a position to want to upgrade their QB, and then Jimmy fans flip out at the slightest hint of the idea of upgrading our QB position speaks volumes about the amount of homerism going on here.

Jimmy is a fine QB. But I have been saying this for decades.....if you dont have an elite/franchise QB, you should be looking for one.

Fans act like finding "elite/franchise QBs" is like picking up milk at the grocery store after having garbage this whole century . Ask Giants fans how that worked out when they forced Eli Manning to retire. You don't need a top 3 QB to win a super bowl. Jimmy is a top 10 QB in the league, don't tell me Dak Prescott, Carson Wentz, or Kirk Cousins is better.

You cant use this line of reasoning if a team isnt even trying to find the QB. I understand how difficult it is to hit on an elite QB. But if you arent even making an effort, you cant say that "they are hard to find." That is nothing more than an excuse.

And for the record, Mahomes, Jackson and Watson were all passed on. So you and other fans can continue to cling onto this notion that its really hard to find a franchise QB, but we passed on 3 in the last few years.

Lol
Ok so Jackson & Watson are elite now.

They are unquestionably franchise QBs.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
Look, you can have your opinion but don't resort to name-calling like you did towards this poster ("I'm sorry you're being a homer"...really?). This poster put up a good post and listed some QBs he wouldn't trade for Garoppolo - I'm assuming the context was for this scheme and what Shanahan wants to do. I wouldn't trade any of the above for him, either, in running this scheme and in doing what Shanahan wants to do at QB combined with with all of the talent & traits Garoppolo has shown so far and will continue to improve upon in my opinion.

If you're just looking at it from a standpoint of, "Who would you start a franchise with right now if given all the above QBs as options", well, that's another thing entirely and it would require some thought. To me, though, that's not what we're talking about here - we're talking about this team and this scheme under Shanahan.

Why would you assume some of the talented QBs on that list wouldnt thrive with Shanahan? Thats what I dont get. What makes Jimmy perfect for this scheme and not QBs who are widely considered to be more talented?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by BumCity:
I'd much rather be a losing franchise with the chance of turning things around than be stuck as a mid-tier team, but I guess that's just a matter of taste. I'd much rather be the 49ers from 2014-2019 than the Chiefs from 2013-2017.
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That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard...you're on an island with that take and the only reason you're saying that it's because of the context of this convo.

Originally posted by BumCity:

And you're the one saying we should trade Jimmy to the Bears. If he's as great as you say and not the occasionally good, but highly inconsistent and flawed QB that I see him to be, then why would you want to trade him in the first place?
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Holy s**t did you not read a single post I wrote in here the last 24hrs? Where did I say he was great???! I said he's a good QB that knows how to win games (much like Smith) He's on a team controlled deal AND for a team such as the bears who just need a GOOD QB to be competitive, it's not that hard to get.

He fits Naggy's scheme...Pace and Naggy aren't exactly crushing it and their jobs aren't rock solid... If you can bring in a guy that can make your team competitive, help you win games, & is a hometown kid that might just save their jobs. At this point they have f**king nothing. And don't give me that Nick Foles garbage.

My points as far as trading him are we have a great HC who's gonna be here LT. We have a more than capable backup that can be tendered (bridge qb). We can save a lot of money to resign a ton of players. We can AFFORD to take a chance on a high upside rookie and even let him sit for a yr....same s**t as KC did.

The Bears and that's coaching staff/FO can NOT afford to do the same...

I don't think I'm on an island with that take. I think a lot of people would prefer 4 bad seasons if it meant 1 season where you had a legitimate shot to win the Super Bowl over 5 straight years of guaranteed wild card / divisional round exits. If the team is bad, then it is a lot easier to tune them out and not get emotionally invested whereas with the wild card team, it's just a string of crushing losses year after year.